Does verse 41:9-12 say the Earth was created before the universe?

[mclinkin94]

[Quran 41.9-12] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds." 10 He set on it (Earth) mountains, and bestowed it with blessings. And [Allah] estimated all its sustenance in four days, equally  for those who ask (prayers) 11 Then  [Allah] commanded the heaven and it was still smoke. He said to it and to Earth: "Come together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come together, in willing obedience". 12 So [Allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And We [Allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the Exalted; the Knowledgeable.

Here it says God set on Earth mountains and then he commanded the heaven to come with the earth. And SO Allah decreed them as seven heavens.

Lets assume that "thumma" in the above verse means "moreover", on verse 12 it says "so" Allah decreed them as seven heavens! That means that  the Earth and the universe came together SO Allah decreed them as 7 heavens. Doesn't this illustrate a sequence of events? The heavens and the earth came together and THEN Allah made them as 7 heavens?

So "heavens" doesn't mean universe in that verse and all other verses, right?

Please help!

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

[Quran 41.9-12] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds." 10 He set on it (Earth) mountains, and bestowed it with blessings. And [Allah] estimated all its sustenance in four days, equally  for those who ask (prayers) 11 Then  [Allah] commanded the heaven and it was still smoke. He said to it and to Earth: "Come together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come together, in willing obedience". 12 So [Allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And We [Allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the Exalted; the Knowledgeable.

Here it says God set on Earth mountains and then he commanded the heaven to come with the earth. And SO Allah decreed them as seven heavens.

Lets assume that "thumma" in the above verse means "moreover", on verse 12 it says "so" Allah decreed them as seven heavens! That means that  the Earth and the universe came together SO Allah decreed them as 7 heavens. Doesn't this illustrate a sequence of events? The heavens and the earth came together and THEN Allah made them as 7 heavens?

So "heavens" doesn't mean universe in that verse and all other verses, right?

Please help!

 Brother in the above verses Allah is talking about two different creations. Allah says in verses 9 and 10 that He created the earth in 2 days. And set mountains on it, estimated all its sustenance  in 4 days. That means earth was created in total 6 days.

 Then in verses 11 and 12 Allah says moreover  He created the seven heavens in 2 days. The Arabic word ''THUMMAH" means, then or moreover. If we translate it as moreover then it will contradict verse 30 of Chapter No-21  and some other verses, where Allah says Heaven and the Earth came into being simultaneously.

 The Heavens and the Earth were created in total 6 days. While the creation of Heaven was going on, the construction of the earth was also continuing. Out of 6 days, in 2 days the construction of the Heaven was completed and it took entire 6 days for complete construction of the Earth. Though Earth was created in 2 days along with the heaven as we are the creature of the Earth, Allah told us more about its construction in detail.

Allah says:


"And we have created the Heavens and Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN in six days and We were not touched by fatigue."(50:38)

 "And your Lord, Allah, who created the Heavens and the Earth in six days and then settled on the Throne..."(7:54)


 So, we can conclude that the creation of the Heavens was done in 2 days, while it took 6 days to complete construction of the Earth .In total it took total 6 days to construct the earth and the Heaven as earth is a part of heaven. Further, the above verses prove that Earth was not created individually, rather along with the Heaven. Please read the below articles:


http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/age_of_universe.htm

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_33.html

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/my_04.htm

http://www.parsquran.com/eng/subject/6days.htm


Allah knows the best.


Take Care.

[mclinkin94]

I see thanks for those verses and that explanation Farhan.

I also realized that on verse 10, it says that Allah estimated Earth's sustenance in four days. So that means at day 4, the earth started forming (because before day 4 God was setting the universe up to create the earth (estimating Earth's sustenance). Now if you compare that with science, we know that earth formed 4.54 billion years ago (at the time of Muhammad) and that the universe is 13.7 billion years old. So if we assume that 13.7 billion years old=6 days and the earth would have formed at the 4th day. So the 4th day would be 6-2=4. We know that 13.7 billion years =6 days. And we know that 4.54 billion years is 2 days. So 13.7-4.54=9.16 is the same as 6-2=4. The earth did indeed form 9.16 billion years ago. At the time of Muhammad the Quran said that the universe and the Earth have a period of existence of 6 days and the earth in 2 days. So Earth should be 2/6th (1/3) the age of the universe at the time of Muhammad (since the creation of earth and universe is not yet fully completed according to the Quran and modern science-the universe is still expanding-so at the time of Muhammad the creation of the earth and universe took 6 periods, it will take more periods in the future when creation progresses). And with modern science its verified 4.54/13.7 is 1/3.

I also realized another problem I had. in verse 11 of that verse it says that Allah commanded the heaven and it is smoke and he said to it and to the earth come [it doesn't say come 'together' or 'into-being], willingly or unwillingly. I think come could mean come into existence willingly or unwillingly! And when they said we come willingly that means they follow the laws of physics that God ordained for them. And because of this he decreed them as 7 heavens and then revealed to each heaven its orders (physical laws--so the laws of physics slightly change after the creation of the universe).

The fact that Allah did not say come [together] or come [into existence] and he said just 'come' means that he purposely left those verses up to interpretation. He does this in order to make the heavens mean BOTH the atmosphere and the universe.

So if you interpret "Thumma" as then and 'come' as 'come together', then this verse is clearly talking about the atmosphere.

If you interpret "Thumma" as "moreover" and 'come' as 'come into existence', then this verse is clearly talking about the universe.

This verse was ingeniously worded that way so God may refer to both the universe and the atmosphere at the same time.