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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Christians DID worship Mary!
« on: December 24, 2013, 08:00:43 PM »
Asalamu Alaikum!

Many Catholics reject worshiping Mary. I was a catholic at one point but I was never taught about worshiping Mary. Rather, what we did was we respected Mary just as I
respect the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and still respect Mary (of course).

So for these articles:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/worship_mary.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdul-rahman_klimaszewski/worship_of_mary_by_pagans.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/mary_worship.htm

I have a piece of information that could extend it further and make it more convincing.

The Chloridians literally worshiped Mary.

Please check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyridianism

And they were even tied to Pagan Arabia!

Hope this would be beneficial!

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wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Ramadan_Pole_Paradox

This claims that in some places on the globe there is no sunset except after many months. If you are to fast sunrise to sunset, this one would take 24 months and you would die.

They say this mistake was made because 7th century desert dwellers didn't know about the poles or Earth's roundness.

Also, what if you don't live on Earth, how do you fast?



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We know that names have meanings: Like Muhammad means: "the praised one".

What does Adam mean in Arabic. I've been having a hard time getting it out of the lexicons.

In hebrew Adam means "man". What about Arabic? Is it simply non-Arabic and derived from the Hebrew?

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The Quran says that all nations were sent prophets and the message. So doesn't people of the scripture include all nations including hindu, buddhism etc?

the Quran:

"For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), "Serve God, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom God guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).  (The Noble Quran, 16:36)"

To every people (was sent) an apostle: when their apostle comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.  (The Noble Quran, 10:47)"

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This can be found at: http://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2010/06/case-for-four-husbands.html?q=science

A case for 4 husbands:

The whole premise is based on the institution of marriage between a man and a woman. The question is how to protect this institution and introduce enough flexibility for extreme circumstances to enable a society to take care of hapless members at the same time. One can do this in only two ways. Restrict a man from having more than one wife or restrict the women from having more than one husband. The third option of arbitrary switching between one or the other is a recipe for guaranteed chaos. Now let us consider the options.

Let us first refresh the fact that the constraint of having more than one wife provision in Quranic law are such that they can only be applicable in extreme circumstances and is normally applicable within societies where there are no other social safety nets. Hence the allowance for more than one wife is nothing but an option; an option restricted to such an extent that in normal times it is humanly not possible and remains restricted to widowed women with kids. This was a quick fix solution to a serious problem of fatherless families with almost zero possibility of surviving on their own. To somehow take this option and run with it and go and marry four 18 years old lases is not on :)

I will restrict my answer to discuss the notion that it is sexist or fair. let us bring the discussion up to speed and out of the ''desire'' circle. Now let us try to make a case for women having this option or for that matter both sexes were to have the option of multiple partners. let us assume that a women with considerable fortune decide to have four husbands simultaneously (no restriction on more than one if taken one at a time) within the Islamic injunctions or for that matter any system of laws. I have a few questions to raise, again this just for research considerations :)

How will a women be able to treat all four husbands equally, a must under Islamic Injunctions, if you get pregnant with one husband you will simultaneously have to get pregnant with all 4. While a man is able to at least attempt the same, say within an acceptable period of four days. In case of a woman it will have to be at least say ten months apart or a race to who will win kind of absurdity.

One could make a case for implanting three additional worms once the science is perfected or artificially inseminate with three more children of the other three husband is another way of going around the constraint as far as the actual impregnation goes. We will have to still make a case where medical science is not up to the mark. It does not stop there.

Going forward, If her life is in danger because of one fetus out of the four, will a women be willing to abort only that particular fetus without terminating the other pregnancies. Again possible but given the time constraints, to identify the cause in time and carry out the procedure without medical complications will have to be looked at.

Or a women will have to settle for men who may be willing to wait for 4 to 5 years before they have a turn to have a child with you :) One can look past the social fairness issue but we run into the establish fact that has to do with the very survival of a society. In ideal circumstances, a society needs a 2.11 birth rate to survive beyond 25 years. No society is able to recover from a birth rate below this threshold. If taken to its logical conclusion every woman will have to be mandated to be reduced to a baby making machine just to keep up with this rate

Now comes the kicker, will a women allow her husbands to take three wives each. Its only fair and they in turn will each have four husbands, perhaps, some of these couplings may even overlap, I guess you know where I am going with this :) If no why not and if yes will you "fend" for them as well, your fortune must be enough to fulfill your financial obligation in spite of your time off for delivery and post-delivery obligations

If all four of them decide to divorce her in a series, will she be willing to abstain for 16 months ( a mandatory 4 month wait). Mind you this waiting period has more than biological implication since the period is also treated as a cooling off period with a chance to reconcile. So a simple pregnancy test will not do, plus the already limited time at hand given the 2.11 birth rate constraints further complicate the issue..

At time of war, women will have to go to the front otherwise it would be sexist :) will she be willing to go to the front line pregnant or not just to be fair to the other women and provide guarantees to ensure her unborn doesn't die or be injured since one is not able to get his/her consent to go to war.

Will she relinquish her right to be given the benefit of the doubt (the present prerogative rests with the woman in case of a ''he said she said'' situation) when more than one husband accuse you of any financial or moral wrong doing. The present one on one balance will be removed in multiple accusations.

Given time I can come up with a dozen more but seriously, just the fact that the option made available to men only has more to do with biology than any sexist consideration and in true Islam there is one husband and one wife, unless you are a saint :)

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I remember earlier that you were working on translating a book revealing the numerical structure of the Quran through the number 19. I was wondering if you had finished or when you will finish?

I'm looking forward to that one :)

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Salam bros and Sisters.

We have had evidence that people fabricated hadiths in the past (What is why Bukhari consider some as nonauthentic).

But, what if when someone who wanted to fabricate a hadith, also fabricated the chain of narration with it so that it appears authentic??

I'm pretty sure this has happened..

Your opinion?

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I saw this in an answering-Islam Article and I haven't fully examined the alleged contradiction, I will examine it and search for it when I get the chance. I will let you know what I find.

I'm wondering if any of you have examined the contradiction and explained it. I read the answering-Christianity article here: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/intercession_rebuttal.htm

But I am still confused as there is more to it!

Summary of the claim:
Quran says:
All intercession belongs to God" 39:44

and that there will be "no intercession on the Day of Judgment" 2:254


Further confirmation that there will be no intercession on Judgement Day are given in: 2:48, 123; 6:51, 70; 7:53; 26:100; 30:13; 32:4; 36:23; 40:18; & 74:48.

BUT:

"Who can intercede with Him, except with His permission?" 2:255

In 2:255 God speaks about those who cannot intercede, except if He gives the permission, which in some ways suggests that God may give His permission to some to intercede.
But we are also told very clearly in numerous other verses that there will be no intercession on Judgement Day (2:48, 2:123, 2:254, 6:51, 6:70, 7:53, 26:100, 30:13, 32:4, 36:23, 39:44, 40:18, 74:48).


Does anyone want to provide an explanation. Like I said, I will further examine it later in depth and I will explain here, but I hope that you know something I don't yet know.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Rose-like paint? Quran?
« on: November 17, 2013, 11:57:12 PM »
The verse in question is: [055:037]  When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint.

This verse was applied to a nebula and how it appears like a rose like paint. The problem is, a nebula is a Star exploding! Not the universe/sky breaking.

Why is this verse attributed to nebula. I can't see the connection.

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This website is a really strong and really valid website in which a unitarian Christian wrote! He is a genius and is very knowledgeable. His work is beautiful and it is rational!

If anyone will debate a trinitarian, this website provides you with other things you may have missed or didn't address!

Also visit his youtube Channel he does a FINE Job!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTrinityDelusion?feature=watch

Peace!

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http://alisina.org/blog/2011/05/10/reinterpreting-the-quran/

Ali Sina really has knows how to deceive, I responded to the article in the comments section (My comments would be under the name "Ahmed"). Would anyone mind read it and share their opinion.

It is important to learn about other perpectives of how others feel about Islam as it helps you become a stronger Muslim and it makes you more successful in future debate.


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There is a response wiki that is incomplete. It is found http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Quran_(response):

We all need to edit it and pitch in to debunk the wiki Islam article here: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur'an

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The first starts off with Allah's Attributes/Names.
And it ends with Allah's Attributes/Names.

The 2nd talks about that He doesn't get tired/sleepy.
The 2nd last verse talks about Him not getting tired.

The 3rd verse talks about Allah being the Owner of the Heavens and the Earth.
The 3rd last talks about Allah being the King of the Heavens and the Earth.

The 4th verse talks about nothing happening except by Allah's will.
The 4th last verse talks about it too.

And the middle of Ayatul Kursi talks about Allah knowing what is before and after.

Did anyone else notice this?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYuLLA1nTa0#t=30

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Please please please do not take me wrong. I am not trying to stir up conflict. And I hope that you and I (as rational, reasonable, intellectually honest believing Muslims) would find the truth and deal with this Hadith difficulty once again. We must not be intellectually dishonest, nor arrogant, nor unwilling to accept evidence--those are the attributes of the infidels and the disbelievers.

I (as much as I have tried), cannot bring myself in accepting non-Quranic hadith. In a previous post, I have presented Quranic verses that completely forbid it (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1240.0). On this post, I have presented a rationale. I hope this can be a guide for all Muslims.

Lets begin:

So which Hadith claim should we take up as true and which Hadith should we reject and why?
 
Sunnah of the Prophet Pbuh cannot be any different than the verifiable official message of God he himself delivered, publicly, as per the instructions of God, non other than the Quran and nothing but the Quran. If you ignore this first Sunnah verification then anything you follow will be a mere exercise without any warrant or purpose.
 
Of course you always have the option to throw a dart in the direction of the following collections and see where it lands and take that as the one "true" Sunnah and be prepared to be declared a "Kafir" by all the rest :) Mind you, all of them are claimed to be vetted through the same magical "Science" of Hadith. Needless to say, each and every one of them ignores the all important  public delivery aspect of the official message and hopes nobody will notice that 99.9% of them are single third party narrations.
 
1. Kutub Al-Sittah - (The six books of Sunnis )Sahih Al-Bukhari ( صحيح البخاري ) Sahih Muslim ( صحيح مسلم ) Al-Sunan Al-Sughra ( السنن الصغرى ) Sunan Abi Dawood ( سنن أبي داود ) Sunan Al-Tirmidhi ( جامع الترمذي ) Sunan Ibn Maja ( سُنن ابن ماجه )
 
2. Al-Kutub Al-Arb'ah - (The four books of Shias)Kitab Al-Kafi ( الكتاب الكافي ) Man La Yahduruhu Al-Faqih ( من لا يحضره الفقيه ) Tahdhib Al-Ahkam ( تهذیب الاحکام ) Al-Istibsar ( الاستبصار )
 
3. The Ibadi one Jami Sahih Tartib Al-Musnad
 
4. The Mu'tazila collection Comments on the Peak of Eloquence
 
Now comes the fun part, with the possible exception of the Ibadi collection, each and every other collection has an interesting thread running through it. All the collectors were Persians and all of them appeared out of nowhere right after the defeat of the Persians. You just need two functioning brain cells to figure out the rest.
 
No matter where the dart lands, in essence it will be no more than a game of "my scholars are better than yours". I for one refuse to assign my eternity to this crapshoot.

Being intellectually honest with myself, I cannot bring myself into believing Hadiths. Just like how I cannot bring myself into believing in Hinduism, Polytheism or Christianity. Why do you think I left Christianity? They all share things in common:

1.) Based on corrupted sources
2.) Shown to be historically corrupted
3.) Contain contradictions within themselves
4.) Contain contradictions with reality
5.) Been shown to be false many times
6.) Immense scientific errors


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