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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Refuting Robert spencer on jihad watch and misconceptions about Jizya /Zimmis
« on: December 20, 2017, 09:57:39 AM »18
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: TheMaskedArab's Main arguments refuted completely
« on: December 16, 2017, 10:40:38 AM »
Masha Allah really superb....Jazakullah khair.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Issued debate challenge to David Wood and Team
« on: December 16, 2017, 10:39:39 AM »
Wa alaikum assalam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuh...Best of luck brother....Jazakullah khair.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A confusing question
« on: December 16, 2017, 10:38:17 AM »
Each and everything is purposeful which He created.
See the Principle of sufficient reason:
The principle of sufficient reason states that everything must have a reason or a cause.
The principle has a variety of expressions, all of which are perhaps best summarized by the following:
For every entity X, if X exists, then there is a sufficient explanation for why X exists.
For every event E, if E occurs, then there is a sufficient explanation for why E occurs.
For every proposition P, if P is true, then there is a sufficient explanation for why P is true.
See the Principle of sufficient reason:
The principle of sufficient reason states that everything must have a reason or a cause.
The principle has a variety of expressions, all of which are perhaps best summarized by the following:
For every entity X, if X exists, then there is a sufficient explanation for why X exists.
For every event E, if E occurs, then there is a sufficient explanation for why E occurs.
For every proposition P, if P is true, then there is a sufficient explanation for why P is true.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Is faith Gullibility?
« on: November 29, 2017, 11:17:05 AM »
So,by definition and its explanation,following any religion is not gullibility.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Is faith Gullibility?
« on: November 29, 2017, 11:14:56 AM »
Definition:
Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action. It is closely related to credulity, which is the tendency to believe unlikely propositions that are unsupported by evidence
Classes of people especially vulnerable to exploitation due to gullibility include children, the elderly, and the developmentally disabled.(wikipedia)
Note the following points:
A.The key elements of social intelligence:
1. Verbal Fluency and Conversational Skills. You can easily spot someone with lots of SI at a party or social gathering because he or she knows how to “work the room.” The highly socially intelligent person can carry on conversations with a wide variety of people, and is tactful and appropriate in what is said. Combined, these represent what are called “social expressiveness skills.”
2. Knowledge of Social Roles, Rules, and Scripts. Socially intelligent individuals learn how to play various social roles. They are also well versed in the informal rules, or “norms,” that govern social interaction. In other words, they “know how to play the game” of social interaction. As a result, they come off as socially sophisticated and wise.
3. Effective Listening Skills. Socially intelligent persons are great listeners. As a result, others come away from an interaction with an SI person feeling as if they had a good “connection” with him or her.
4. Understanding What Makes Other People Tick. Great people watchers, individuals high in social intelligence attune themselves to what others are saying, and how they are behaving, in order to try to “read” what the other person is thinking or feeling. Understanding emotions is part of Emotional Intelligence, and Social Intelligence and Emotional Intelligence are correlated – people who are especially skilled are high on both.
5. Role Playing and Social Self-Efficacy. The socially intelligent person knows how to play different social roles – allowing him or her to feel comfortable with all types of people. As a result, the SI individual feels socially self-confident and effective – what psychologists call “social self-efficacy.”
6. Impression Management Skills. Persons with SI are concerned with the impression they are making on others. They engage in what I call the “Dangerous Art of Impression Management,” which is a delicate balance between managing and controlling the image you portray to others and being reasonably “authentic” and letting others see the true self. This is perhaps the most complex element of social intelligence.
The Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w. and His followers were traders, commanding armies, females were nurses ,doctors etc. They were good fathers,wives,husbands,daughters and sons.So how could you say they were a failure at social intelligence?
Muslims and many of the practicing followers of many other religions as well, are doctors,engineers,successful businessmen, craftsmen, good in their profession as well as their social lives,How come you mention them as socially failed?
B.Easily tricked or manipulated?
The believer is mentioned to be WISE.
Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, “Beware of the wisdom of the believer. Verily, he sees with the light of Allah.” Then the Prophet recited the verse, “Verily, in that are signs for those of discernment.” (15:75)
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3127
Reasoning and using logic is greatly recommended in Holy Quran.
Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.(2:164)
So,a wise person using logic and reasoning abilities would not be gullible,at least any Muslim.
C.The classes specially vulnerable are disabled,elderly and children:
The practicing followers of most of the religions are HEALTHY AND YOUNG ADULTS,not the disabled,elderly or children.
Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action. It is closely related to credulity, which is the tendency to believe unlikely propositions that are unsupported by evidence
Classes of people especially vulnerable to exploitation due to gullibility include children, the elderly, and the developmentally disabled.(wikipedia)
Note the following points:
A.The key elements of social intelligence:
1. Verbal Fluency and Conversational Skills. You can easily spot someone with lots of SI at a party or social gathering because he or she knows how to “work the room.” The highly socially intelligent person can carry on conversations with a wide variety of people, and is tactful and appropriate in what is said. Combined, these represent what are called “social expressiveness skills.”
2. Knowledge of Social Roles, Rules, and Scripts. Socially intelligent individuals learn how to play various social roles. They are also well versed in the informal rules, or “norms,” that govern social interaction. In other words, they “know how to play the game” of social interaction. As a result, they come off as socially sophisticated and wise.
3. Effective Listening Skills. Socially intelligent persons are great listeners. As a result, others come away from an interaction with an SI person feeling as if they had a good “connection” with him or her.
4. Understanding What Makes Other People Tick. Great people watchers, individuals high in social intelligence attune themselves to what others are saying, and how they are behaving, in order to try to “read” what the other person is thinking or feeling. Understanding emotions is part of Emotional Intelligence, and Social Intelligence and Emotional Intelligence are correlated – people who are especially skilled are high on both.
5. Role Playing and Social Self-Efficacy. The socially intelligent person knows how to play different social roles – allowing him or her to feel comfortable with all types of people. As a result, the SI individual feels socially self-confident and effective – what psychologists call “social self-efficacy.”
6. Impression Management Skills. Persons with SI are concerned with the impression they are making on others. They engage in what I call the “Dangerous Art of Impression Management,” which is a delicate balance between managing and controlling the image you portray to others and being reasonably “authentic” and letting others see the true self. This is perhaps the most complex element of social intelligence.
The Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w. and His followers were traders, commanding armies, females were nurses ,doctors etc. They were good fathers,wives,husbands,daughters and sons.So how could you say they were a failure at social intelligence?
Muslims and many of the practicing followers of many other religions as well, are doctors,engineers,successful businessmen, craftsmen, good in their profession as well as their social lives,How come you mention them as socially failed?
B.Easily tricked or manipulated?
The believer is mentioned to be WISE.
Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, “Beware of the wisdom of the believer. Verily, he sees with the light of Allah.” Then the Prophet recited the verse, “Verily, in that are signs for those of discernment.” (15:75)
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3127
Reasoning and using logic is greatly recommended in Holy Quran.
Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.(2:164)
So,a wise person using logic and reasoning abilities would not be gullible,at least any Muslim.
C.The classes specially vulnerable are disabled,elderly and children:
The practicing followers of most of the religions are HEALTHY AND YOUNG ADULTS,not the disabled,elderly or children.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Refuting a lengthy article but it must be done
« on: November 29, 2017, 10:44:16 AM »
Critic:
Conclusive Conformity
When exploring the Quran and the topic of death as it relates to Christ, we find Christ foretelling a personal death, God decreeing Christ will die, Christ verifying His death having occurred and, the claim that Christ was raised and returned to God as having also occurred.
Let us look at the traditionally misinterpreted verse in wider context, including the verses I mentioned:
And so, for the breaking of their pledge, and their refusal to acknowledge God's messages, and their slaying of prophets against all right, and their boast, “Our hearts are already full of knowledge” - nay, but God has sealed their hearts in result of their denial of the truth, and they believe in but few things -; and for their refusal to acknowledge the truth, and the awesome calumny which they utter against Mary, and their boast, “Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, an apostle of God!” However, they did not slay Him, and neither did they crucify Him, but it only seemed to them so; and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay Him: nay, God exalted Him unto Himself - and God is indeed Almighty, wise. Yet there is not one of the followers of earlier revelation who does not, at the moment of his death, grasp the truth about Jesus; and on the Day of Resurrection He shall bear witness to the truth against them.
- An Nisa (4) 155-159
Notice the phrase 'their slaying of prophets against all right', for it will be explored further below.
Since it mentions that God exalted Christ to Himself, we see the context is denying the claim of having killed yet another prophet.
In denying this boast, the resurrection is further expressed...since Christ is proclaimed to be alive from the Islamic perspective.
Response:
He is alive,not Shaheed or even killed at all.
And for their saying, "Surely we killed the Masih, Isa son of Maryam, (The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary) the Messenger of Allah." And in no way did they kill him, and in no way did they crucify him, but a resemblance of him was presented to them (i.e. the matter was made obscure for them through mutual resemblance). And surely the ones who differed about him are indeed in doubt about him. (Or: it, "that") In no way do they have any knowledge about him except the close following of surmise, and in no way did they kill him of a certainty.(4:157)
Critic:
Notice towards the end of this portion how it speaks about the moment prior to death and grasping the truth about Christ, with Christ bearing witness to that truth against them.
This is quite the resolve which echoes the testimony of the Gospel, yet only the non-Christians were likely to deny the news of a man having risen from the dead.
Yet this is the main point of Christianity: the resurrection of Christ.
Unfortunately, there is not much detail about what exactly the truth being mentioned is, aside from the truth of refusing God, killing prophets, acting arrogant, denying Christ continues to live, etc..
How does the Quran ask people to consider the dead?
And say not of those who are slain in God's cause, “They are dead”: nay, they are alive, but you perceive it not.
- Al Baqara (2) 154
Notice how 'you perceive it not' also repeats the sentiment 'but it only seemed to them so' we read previously.
Response:
Read the verse again in simpler words.
And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah, "They are dead." Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not.(2:154)
BUT For Prophet Isa a.s. it is clearly mentioned in the Quran that He was NOT killed at all.
Critic:
Speaking further on how God is the agent who directs, or allows certain things to happen, consider this verse:
And yet, it was not you who slew the enemy, but it was God who slew them; and it was not thou who cast, when thou didst cast it, but it was God who cast it: and in order that He might test the believers by a goodly test of His Own or daining. Verily, God is all-hearing, all-knowing!
- Al Anfar (8) 17
That verse is yet another compliment in understanding how or why God would have Christ killed, and how men could not take full credit for any action.
Those who believed they killed Christ are unable to boast, since it was God who planned to allow Christ to be killed in order to raise Him up to life - the miracle of the ages.
Response:
You did not kill them,but Allah killed them....It is definitely for those who are killed,not for someone for whom it is clarified that He was not killed,nor crucified,or even martyred at all.
Critic:
The resurrection is the 'sign unto mankind' as mentioned elsewhere in the Quran when directly referring to Christ.
To mention the various interpretations denying Christ's physical death, read at least nine narratives arguing how the death supposedly did not occur.
You find the following of conjecture mentioned in an-Nisa 157 in those varied opinions.
To further confirm the Quran's manner of arguing a humanistic view of Christ, remember what was underlined earlier, 'their slaying of prophets against all right', when considering death, Christ, and how previous prophets also died:
The Christ, son of Mary, was but an Apostle: all Apostles had passed away before Him; and His mother was one who never deviated from the truth; and they both ate food. Behold how clear We make these messages unto them: and then behold how perverted are their minds!
- Al Maida (5) 75
This final verse from Muhammad's poetry resolves the death factor regarding prophets / apostles.
In arguing Christ's humanity so is Christ's existence in the flesh expressed as a finite reality.
Since God raised Christ, the infinite reality is realized...and it is this that gives mankind hope for life after death.
Response:
People killed some Prophets,and it is confirmed in Quran,but for Prophet Isa a.s. it is DENIED.
Conclusive Conformity
When exploring the Quran and the topic of death as it relates to Christ, we find Christ foretelling a personal death, God decreeing Christ will die, Christ verifying His death having occurred and, the claim that Christ was raised and returned to God as having also occurred.
Let us look at the traditionally misinterpreted verse in wider context, including the verses I mentioned:
And so, for the breaking of their pledge, and their refusal to acknowledge God's messages, and their slaying of prophets against all right, and their boast, “Our hearts are already full of knowledge” - nay, but God has sealed their hearts in result of their denial of the truth, and they believe in but few things -; and for their refusal to acknowledge the truth, and the awesome calumny which they utter against Mary, and their boast, “Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, an apostle of God!” However, they did not slay Him, and neither did they crucify Him, but it only seemed to them so; and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay Him: nay, God exalted Him unto Himself - and God is indeed Almighty, wise. Yet there is not one of the followers of earlier revelation who does not, at the moment of his death, grasp the truth about Jesus; and on the Day of Resurrection He shall bear witness to the truth against them.
- An Nisa (4) 155-159
Notice the phrase 'their slaying of prophets against all right', for it will be explored further below.
Since it mentions that God exalted Christ to Himself, we see the context is denying the claim of having killed yet another prophet.
In denying this boast, the resurrection is further expressed...since Christ is proclaimed to be alive from the Islamic perspective.
Response:
He is alive,not Shaheed or even killed at all.
And for their saying, "Surely we killed the Masih, Isa son of Maryam, (The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary) the Messenger of Allah." And in no way did they kill him, and in no way did they crucify him, but a resemblance of him was presented to them (i.e. the matter was made obscure for them through mutual resemblance). And surely the ones who differed about him are indeed in doubt about him. (Or: it, "that") In no way do they have any knowledge about him except the close following of surmise, and in no way did they kill him of a certainty.(4:157)
Critic:
Notice towards the end of this portion how it speaks about the moment prior to death and grasping the truth about Christ, with Christ bearing witness to that truth against them.
This is quite the resolve which echoes the testimony of the Gospel, yet only the non-Christians were likely to deny the news of a man having risen from the dead.
Yet this is the main point of Christianity: the resurrection of Christ.
Unfortunately, there is not much detail about what exactly the truth being mentioned is, aside from the truth of refusing God, killing prophets, acting arrogant, denying Christ continues to live, etc..
How does the Quran ask people to consider the dead?
And say not of those who are slain in God's cause, “They are dead”: nay, they are alive, but you perceive it not.
- Al Baqara (2) 154
Notice how 'you perceive it not' also repeats the sentiment 'but it only seemed to them so' we read previously.
Response:
Read the verse again in simpler words.
And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah, "They are dead." Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not.(2:154)
BUT For Prophet Isa a.s. it is clearly mentioned in the Quran that He was NOT killed at all.
Critic:
Speaking further on how God is the agent who directs, or allows certain things to happen, consider this verse:
And yet, it was not you who slew the enemy, but it was God who slew them; and it was not thou who cast, when thou didst cast it, but it was God who cast it: and in order that He might test the believers by a goodly test of His Own or daining. Verily, God is all-hearing, all-knowing!
- Al Anfar (8) 17
That verse is yet another compliment in understanding how or why God would have Christ killed, and how men could not take full credit for any action.
Those who believed they killed Christ are unable to boast, since it was God who planned to allow Christ to be killed in order to raise Him up to life - the miracle of the ages.
Response:
You did not kill them,but Allah killed them....It is definitely for those who are killed,not for someone for whom it is clarified that He was not killed,nor crucified,or even martyred at all.
Critic:
The resurrection is the 'sign unto mankind' as mentioned elsewhere in the Quran when directly referring to Christ.
To mention the various interpretations denying Christ's physical death, read at least nine narratives arguing how the death supposedly did not occur.
You find the following of conjecture mentioned in an-Nisa 157 in those varied opinions.
To further confirm the Quran's manner of arguing a humanistic view of Christ, remember what was underlined earlier, 'their slaying of prophets against all right', when considering death, Christ, and how previous prophets also died:
The Christ, son of Mary, was but an Apostle: all Apostles had passed away before Him; and His mother was one who never deviated from the truth; and they both ate food. Behold how clear We make these messages unto them: and then behold how perverted are their minds!
- Al Maida (5) 75
This final verse from Muhammad's poetry resolves the death factor regarding prophets / apostles.
In arguing Christ's humanity so is Christ's existence in the flesh expressed as a finite reality.
Since God raised Christ, the infinite reality is realized...and it is this that gives mankind hope for life after death.
Response:
People killed some Prophets,and it is confirmed in Quran,but for Prophet Isa a.s. it is DENIED.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Bell
« on: October 09, 2017, 02:12:13 PM »
Every bell sound is not music.
Bells intended to be heard over a wide area can range from a single bell hung in a turret or bell-gable, to a musical ensemble such as an English ring of bells, a carillon or a Russian zvon which are tuned to a common scale and installed in a bell tower. Many public or institutional buildings house bells, most commonly as clock bells to sound the hours and quarters.(wikipedia)
When the intention is of music,there is a set of bells used,which you can see from the wikipedia,English ring of bells,carillon etc.Single bell produces only sound,not music.
The hadees mentions Jrs (singular),not juroos (plural) so there is no hint of music,unless the delusional critic is hallucinating.
Bells intended to be heard over a wide area can range from a single bell hung in a turret or bell-gable, to a musical ensemble such as an English ring of bells, a carillon or a Russian zvon which are tuned to a common scale and installed in a bell tower. Many public or institutional buildings house bells, most commonly as clock bells to sound the hours and quarters.(wikipedia)
When the intention is of music,there is a set of bells used,which you can see from the wikipedia,English ring of bells,carillon etc.Single bell produces only sound,not music.
The hadees mentions Jrs (singular),not juroos (plural) so there is no hint of music,unless the delusional critic is hallucinating.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / List of works of islamophobes?
« on: October 09, 2017, 01:59:16 PM »
Yes, now I need it...
Could anyone provide me the complete list of everything? Blogs,books,websites and every such thing...
Could anyone provide me the complete list of everything? Blogs,books,websites and every such thing...
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: www.wikiislam.com is now mine.
« on: October 08, 2017, 01:43:02 PM »
Oh my God?Really?
Superb news for me...Jazakullah Jazakullah khair brother,really appreciable....
All praise is for Allah,Alhmdulillah....Relieved.... :D
Superb news for me...Jazakullah Jazakullah khair brother,really appreciable....
All praise is for Allah,Alhmdulillah....Relieved.... :D
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A new scientific miracle in the Quran!
« on: August 30, 2017, 12:29:42 PM »
Jazakullah khair brother....interesting information
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: CLEAR PROOFS earth is both singular and plural in the Glorious Quran
« on: August 22, 2017, 04:12:12 PM »
20:117 ....?
Regarding 21:104,it could mean that
1.in the beginning or earlier stages ,there was a scrolled roll of books like structure
2.the same structure would appear at the doomsday as well.
3.the process of creation would be repeated.(not for the humans,but there is a room for a greater part of universe as well)
yes,it means we could be resurrected from another earth,or even from another,transformed earth, all occurring in a way similar to the previous one.
Regarding 21:104,it could mean that
1.in the beginning or earlier stages ,there was a scrolled roll of books like structure
2.the same structure would appear at the doomsday as well.
3.the process of creation would be repeated.(not for the humans,but there is a room for a greater part of universe as well)
yes,it means we could be resurrected from another earth,or even from another,transformed earth, all occurring in a way similar to the previous one.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: CLEAR PROOFS earth is both singular and plural in the Glorious Quran
« on: August 22, 2017, 03:55:52 PM »
Now its interesting..
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Ghroob ish Shams in a hot spring
« on: August 22, 2017, 03:53:27 PM »
Assalamu alaikum wa rehmatullahi wa Barakatuh
I was of the view that regarding the verses in Surah Kahaf,its all about the perception of Dhulqarnayn a.s. but when I came through the hadees telling the ghroob of sun in the hot spring ,these terms seem to be related.
Coriolis effect
Gyres and
El Nino.
Ghroob is all related to rotation of the Earth,and the rotation causes Coriolis effect,forming gyres,the circuits of hot waters.I feel a realtion.What do you people think?
It could be death too,the final destiny of the sun into a hot spring,but I think the gyres and Coriolis effect are a more plausible explanation......
I was of the view that regarding the verses in Surah Kahaf,its all about the perception of Dhulqarnayn a.s. but when I came through the hadees telling the ghroob of sun in the hot spring ,these terms seem to be related.
Coriolis effect
Gyres and
El Nino.
Ghroob is all related to rotation of the Earth,and the rotation causes Coriolis effect,forming gyres,the circuits of hot waters.I feel a realtion.What do you people think?
It could be death too,the final destiny of the sun into a hot spring,but I think the gyres and Coriolis effect are a more plausible explanation......
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