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Ethno-centrism, racism, and eugenics comes from the Bible; In Deuteronomy 14:2 where it says the Jews are the master race, Exodus 20:5 where God admits to punishing children for the sins of their parents (racism), Genesis 6:5-8 where there is mass genocide way worse than Hitler, and Genesis 7:1 in which in the entire generation, God sees only Noah and his whole family as righteous, so he kills the rest. The eugenics is obvious here.

No words here, just pics on the beloved "Columbus Day"
Because the pilgrims and conquistadors columns killed more innocent people than Hitler and Stalin

I'm actually glad that you lowered that sharp tone a bit . But still .

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I believe the seven heavens in the Qur'an are referring to the seven heavenly bodies. The ancients thought there were only seven heavenly bodies. Pluto is no longer considered a planet, that brings us down to six. Two new planets were discovered that brings our number to eight planets. Our days of the week are named after the seven ancient heavenly bodies.
"The seven planets of the old cosmology included the Sun (Sol) and the Moon (Luna), which we now don't regard as planets at all.   The other five were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn."

I already told you , mate , if you don't know about Islam then don't talk like you do . You see what's underlined ? That's the bottom line .You should keep that belief of yours to yourself . Quran says seven heavens . IT clearly doesn't say "Seven heavenly bodies" . And once again you talk like Islam=Christianity=Any other religion . Atheists REALLY need to get rid of this narrow view of theirs . As for the days of the week , they show your - and I don't use it as an insult - lack of knowledge about the days in Arabic and therefore in Islam . In Arabic , they are called starting from Saturday :
1 -Sabt meaning a period of time or taking a rest . It is said that it meets the Hebrew "Shabt" meaning also to rest which Jews believe is the day Allah took rest exalted he is .
2 - Ahad meaning one . And it formerly was called "The first" as in the first day of week although we take Saturday as the first now .
3 - Ithnain meaning two or second .
4 - Thulatha meaning three or third
5 - Arbi'a meaning four or fourth .
6 - Khamees meaning five or fifth .
7 - Jum'a meaning to a gathering .
You need to stop using the logic that all religions are the same . You claimed you "tried" them all but you clearly no nothing about any of them .

-yawn-
Ad Hominems again.

This time I will bother to reply to you.

Yea, you already told me that thing about the Arabic days of the week. But still, the days of the week are named after the seven heavenly bodies. I gave that as an example. There are NOT seven layers in the atmosphere, that is referring to the seven heavenly bodies.

Abdullah, I'm not a Muslim, but you don't have to be a Muslim to know that during the Islamic era, a spherical Earth was common knowledge. Several Arabs calculated the circumference of the Earth. Any mentions of a flat Earth in ancient scripture are at best, accidental. No one in history ever believed in a flat Earth. I suggest you read the "Flat Earth myth" on Wikipedia. The only reason many people today think that ancients believed the Earth was flat was because it was a lie repeated by the Catholic Church.

These neo-atheists think think they have something against islam

Whoa, don't generalize them all!
I, as an atheist, acknowledge that there are scientifically relevant verses in the Qur'an, but they're not miracles, they were well known facts. For example, the big bang, an expanding universe, the expanding universe is mentioned in the Bible, long before that, in Hindu scripture.

Tip: Any verse that contradicts modern science or logic and reasoning is metaphorical.
    1. this verse is not metaphorical, as the heavens [ie anything in space above earth, the heavenly bodies] are held from falling onto earth i[ ie colliding with trhe eath] by the centrifugal force.
     2. meaning of the word heaven:
      in the Quran, the word heaven is used in two senses: [a]. in the first sense, the extraterristerial space is referred to as the heaven and the heavenly bodies constitute the first heaven. Quan says, '' and he decorated the nearest haeaven with stars''. The nearest heaven refers to the first heaven, as there are 7 heavens. In the second semce , heaven refers to the layers of the atmosphere, which are also seven. allah says in the quran, 'he sends down rain from the heaven'. the layers of the atmosphere are also seven:

• troposphere
  stratosphere
  ozone layer
  mesosphere
  thermosphere
  exosphere
  magnetosphere

      the ionosphere is present in the thermosphere  and mesosphere.
3.     why did allah swt not use the term heavenly bodies directly?
        the quran is not only meant for our time but for all times to come and all people in all the corners of the world and itr was also meant for the Arabs of that time. the term heaven, when it was used in the Quran 1400 years ago, was understood well by the Companions of the Prophet [pbuh], as per their knowledge, as at that time heaven ereferred to anything above the surface of earth. with time, when later scholars came, they understood it according to their own knowledge. similarly, in our time the universe is vastly unexplored and we have not even peeped otside the material universe. and hence we cannot prove  the exixtence of the other heavens or we cannot disprove it. what can be said about it is only frrom the knowledge of the reveletion. in order not to confuse the earlier generations, the term samaa was used.

I am really sorry to tell you this, but the Magnetosphere is not a layer of the atmosphere. I believe the seven heavens in the Qur'an are referring to the seven heavenly bodies. The ancients thought there were only seven heavenly bodies. Pluto is no longer considered a planet, that brings us down to six. Two new planets were discovered that brings our number to eight planets. Our days of the week are named after the seven ancient heavenly bodies.
"The seven planets of the old cosmology included the Sun (Sol) and the Moon (Luna), which we now don't regard as planets at all.   The other five were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn."

The correct layers of the atmosphere are:



    Troposphere
    Stratosphere
    Mesosphere
    Thermosphere
    Exosphere

Alright you claim god doesn't exist prove it
Also the fact that religion is an "opium to the masses" doesn't negate gods existence rather it supports gods existence

You claim that Zeus doesn't exist prove it.

Atheism killed numbers more than what all religions killed through history

Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

Assalamulaykum bro,
I opened this thread to disprove all of his claims of errors in the Qur'an. Can you help me prove that the ayahs in the Quran that state the heavens are a canopy are metaphorical and not literal.

Tip: Any verse that contradicts modern science or logic and reasoning is metaphorical.

A miserable failing bluff . Until you prove it's the same in Quran , your words are all trash .

The Quran has the same story, God places Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they eat the fruit and get sent to Earth as a punishment, but if they repent, they can have eternal life again.

Have not I said that your ignorance will show in every single line you say about Islam ?! We don't believe Allah came from nothing . We believe he exists since ever . He's a creator , he wasn't created ! To say that the creator is created is nonsense ! As for the days , I suppose that "Golden days" are a few ? And before creating Earth , how was a day counted ? That means the mentioned days are periods of time .

You believe he's eternal. You believing something won't make it true, unfortunately. You need to provide proof of that claim. If you can't, it's false. For example, I can say that Zeus created the Earth without proof too.

And you think that the one who put this law is limited by it ? I might get a headache of facepalming .

Who put this law? Odin?

Peltdown and Nibraska men . Google them . By the way , the latter is a tooth of a pig .

All of you guys are using ancient arguments from Harun Yahya that were refuted centuries ago. We found other transitional fossils later. Scientists only did this for fame and wealth. Genetic fallacy.

Good , did you see that process ? I think not ?

And again the ancient "How do you know, were you there when it happened?" argument. Were you there when Allah created the universe?

It's a matter of belief

Believing a fairy tale doesn't make it true. Faith over objective reasoning is absurd.

I think the whole world facepalmed to this ? For the thousand time : Allah isn't created ! He is the creator ! The creator can't be created !

Circular reasoning.

False premise: The universe must have a creator
Jumping to conclusions: Therefore the creator is Allah
Circular reasoning: Allah doesn't need a creator, because I said so!

Look who's talking . The few things I read about this experiment - of the "other side" - say that it was a failure because it didn't match the primitive atmosphere of Earth .

Already went over this, there were other variants of Miller's experiment recently with the changed condition that were successful. You can't rely on Harun Yahya's book forever...

Come at us , bro .

Few examples. Allah telling Moses' followers to kill themselves (2:54), delicious cuisine magically falls from the sky (5:115), a staff turns into a serpent (7:107), Jonah gets swallowed by a fish and prays while inside (37:142), there are only seven heavenly bodies (2:29), etc etc

. They're the only group that doesn't agree on anything at all

Yes, individual ideas and being able to think for yourself is a wonderful thing, wouldn't you agree?

Atheism is a demonstration of emotional issues

Emotional issues like how Allah destroyed an entire city because they were gay? Or emotional issues like how Allah once drowned an entire city because they were not Muslims? Or emotional issues like "worship me man, I love you, too bad you have to burn in hell if you don't"

""I will become angry upon the insulting and degrading of my pious slaves, like how a lion becomes furious when its cubs are harassed." "

An all knowing deity can't be angry. That's illogical. Anger is a result of surprise, for example, if you're my loyal servant and one day you betray me, I would be angry. But if I already know you're gonna betray me, I'm not gonna get angry.

"Good luck finding one example [of transition from species]"

Here's a couple, if you believe in fossils

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils#Bird_evolution

Thank you for clearing that again mclinkin94, surely an open minded person like you deserves better than Islam

Personally, I feel this is rather insulting to your creator.

Indeed, I've heard this before. I believe Carl Sagan said this.

Hi Farhan Uddin,

You wrote:

Dear attheist, why can't you understand a simple thing that nothing can't be created on its own. Just like computers, televisions, cars, buildings etc. For time being lets just assume that our Universe came into being naturally. Okay, then tell me if Sun, Moon, Earth, Stars etc can come into being naturally,then why not computers,cars,buildings etc. And we know that Universe came into being from a smoke of Hydrogen. Now tell me, who created that Hydrogen smoke. Okay you may say, some particles got together and created that smoke. Then my question is, who created those particles?  And how can you even think that such big heavenly bodies(Earth, Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter etc) can be controlled from getting crashed into one another without a Controller. So, just open your heart,look at the sky and think about these things.

Good question. Even if there was a creator, how can we be certain that the creator is Allah? The Higgs Boson can create itself.