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I have finally realized the truth: He died for our sins
« on: January 31, 2013, 06:11:30 AM »
Sorry guys. I have realized he died for our sins. You know, the son of God. He who turned water into wine, our risen savior who performed miracles, had a communal meal of bread and wine! You guys just don't understand!






Dionysus died for our sins! Look!


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Re: I have finally realized the truth: He died for our sins
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 09:55:44 AM »
Sorry guys. I have realized he died for our sins. You know, the son of God. He who turned water into wine, our risen savior who performed miracles, had a communal meal of bread and wine! You guys just don't understand!






Dionysus died for our sins! Look!



As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Good post.  Did he also rise from the dead?  And do you have more examples of this?  I made a video few days ago giving examples of metaphorical rising from the dead that happened in ancient times, including one that happened in the Old Testament as well.  I'd like to update the video with your examples if you have them, insha'Allah.

Take care and may Allah Almighty bless you.  Ameen.

Osama

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Re: I have finally realized the truth: He died for our sins
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 10:34:51 AM »
Sorry guys. I have realized he died for our sins. You know, the son of God. He who turned water into wine, our risen savior who performed miracles, had a communal meal of bread and wine! You guys just don't understand!






Dionysus died for our sins! Look!



As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Good post.  Did he also rise from the dead?  And do you have more examples of this?  I made a video few days ago giving examples of metaphorical rising from the dead that happened in ancient times, including one that happened in the Old Testament as well.  I'd like to update the video with your examples if you have them, insha'Allah.

Take care and may Allah Almighty bless you.  Ameen.

Osama

The 'resurrection' is just the sun moving one degree to the North at the end of the three day winter solstice period. They are ALL derived from Horus, which was a personification in the ancient Egyptian times for the Sun. The study of this is called astrotheology. There's a 25 minute video that will show you an intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgY6YRxBlw
Sure, I can give you more examples:


    "Osiris, the Egyptian Saviour, was crucified in the heavens. To the Egyptian the cross was the symbol of immortality, an emblem of the Sun, and the god himself was crucified to the tree, which denoted his fructifying power.

    "Horus was also crucified in the heavens. He was represented, like...Christ Jesus, with outstretched arms in the vault of heaven."

    Thomas W. Doane, Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions (484)

They say Buddha sat under the tree for three days to be enlightened.

The cross isn't an original Christian symbol either. It comes from the cross of the zodiac of the ancient Egyptians!

Oh and if you put this on your site, the Christians will deny it. So you should put these quotes from Christian church fathers that the pagan Gods also had crucifixions..

Tertullian (c. 160-c. 200) and Minucius Felix (2nd-3rd cents.). In his Apology (16), Tertullian remarks:

    "We have shown before that your deities are derived from shapes modelled from the cross. But you also worship victories, for in your trophies the cross is the heart of the trophy. The camp religion of the Romans is all through a worship of the standards, a setting the standards above all gods. Well, as those images decking out the standards are ornaments of crosses. All those hangings of your standards and banners are robes of crosses." (Roberts, ANCL, 85)

Ad Nationes (12), in a lengthy treatise which includes the following remarks:

    "...The Heathens Themselves Made Much of Crosses in Sacred Things; Nay, Their Very Idols Were Formed on a Crucial [Crosslike] Frame.

    "...your gods in their origin have proceeded from this hated cross... if you simply place a man with his arms and hands outstretched, you will make the general outline of a cross...." (Roberts, ANF, III, 122)

In his Octavius (29), Minucius echoes the same sentiment:


    "...The Egyptians certainly choose out a man for themselves whom they may worship... Crosses, moreover, we neither worship nor wish for. You, indeed, who consecrate gods of wood, adore wooden crosses perhaps as parts of your gods. For your very standards, as well as your banners, and flags of your camp, what else are they but crosses gilded and adorned? Your victorious trophies not only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it." (Roberts, ANF, IV, 191)

In the same passage, Minucius states, "...crucis signum est, et cum homo porrectis manibus deum pura mente veneratur." (Felix, 66) To wit, "...the sign of the cross it is, also when a man stretching out his hands venerates God with a pure mind."

In his First Apology Church father Justin Martyr (c. 150) writes:

    "Chapter 21. Analogies to the history of Christ.

    "And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter..." (Roberts, ANF, I, 170)

Rev. William W. Seymour remarks:

    "Examples of this posture in prayer are found in the Catacombs...."

"We find that the ancient Egyptians used this posture in prayer, as is figured in the hieroglyphics on the obelisk before the Church of S. John Lateran at Rome. This also was the custom of the Romans... The Hebrews spread forth their hands before the Lord; in short, this posture in devotion we believe may be traced the world over..." (Seymour, 432-433)

In reality, non-Christian gods were represented in cruciform centuries before Christ was portrayed likewise; in fact, the first depiction of Jesus on a cross in art did not occur until the fifth century AD/CE. As stated by the Catholic Encyclopedia ("Cross and the Crucifix"):

    "The sign of the cross, represented in its simplest form by a crossing of two lines at right angles, greatly antedates, in both the East and the West, the introduction of Christianity. It goes back to a very remote period of human civilization....

"...It is also...a symbol of the sun...and seems to denote its daily rotation.... Cruciform objects have been found in Assyria. Shari people in Egypt wearing crucifixes around their necks. The statutes of Kings Asurnazirpal and Sansirauman, now in the British Museum, have cruciform jewels about the neck.... Cruciform earrings were found by Father Delattre in Punic tombs at Carthage."

"Another symbol which has been connected with the cross is the ansated cross (ankh or crux ansata) of the ancient Egyptians.... From the earliest times also it appears among the hieroglyphic signs symbolic of life or of the living... perhaps it was originally, like the swastika, an astronomical sign. The ansated cross is found on many and various monuments of Egypt.... In later times the Egyptian Christians (Copts), attracted by its form, and perhaps by its symbolism, adopted it as the emblem of the cross...

"...In the proto-Etruscan cemetery of Golasecca every tomb has a vase with a cross engraved on it...

    "...On an ancient vase we see Prometheus bound to a beam which serves the purpose of a cross.... In the same way the rock to which Andromeda was fastened is called crux, or cross....

    Andromeda chained in a cross shape or crucifix"...The Christian apologists, such as Tertullian (Apol., xvi; Ad. Nationes, xii) and Minucius Felix (Octavius, lx, xii, xxviii), felicitously replied to the pagan taunt by showing that their persecutors themselves adored cruciform objects. Such observations throw light on a peculiar fact of primitive Christian life, i.e. the almost total absence from Christian monuments of the period of persecutions of the plain, unadorned cross...

    "...The early years of the fifth century are of the highest importance in this development, because it was then that the undisguised cross first appears.... But the fifth century marks the period when Christian art broke away from old fears, and, secure in its triumph, displayed before the world, now become Christian also, the sign of its redemption....

    "...The most ancient text we have relating to a carved cross dates from later than A.D. 362....

    Early Christian crucifix"...Although in the fifth century the cross began to appear on public monuments, it was not for a century afterwards that the figure on the cross was shown; and not until the close of the fifth, or even the middle of the sixth century, did it appear without disguise...." (CE, IV, 517ff)

In its article entitled "Images," the Catholic Encyclopedia relates:

    Crucifix from Santa Sabina Church, Rome, 5th century"...The first mentions of [Christian] crucifixes are in the sixth century.... The oldest crucifixes known are those on the wooden doors of St. Sabina at Rome and an ivory carving in the British Museum... Both are of the fifth century...." (CE, VII, 667)
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Re: I have finally realized the truth: He died for our sins
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 11:08:16 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother 'There is only one God',

Good points akhi.  Jazaka Allah khayr.  I will insha'Allah see to using them in my next update.  By the way, crucifixion done by the Egyptians in ancient times is also mentioned in the Glorious Quran.

Your post just also reminded me of the Roman Catholics' Saints.  There are "witnesses" who saw some of them fly in the air and descend on their own (like Sinbad and Ali Baba's flying carpet Arabian Nights stories), and also saw saints do mirculous things.  Yet, the Protestant Christians think it's all lies.

I will insha'Allah update the video and write a text article about it, using these points + the ones I already have, plus the ones that you gave below.

Thank you again dear brother, and may Allah Almighty bless you.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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