I expect that you get your points. My Arabic is not as good as it should be, I am still learning. I've been taking Arabic classes for over 2 years. I've improved tremendously and it has helped me with understanding the Quran.
You do realize it is possible to do it in English , right ? And from what we see , those lessons didn't help much or at all .
You have not shown me from my arguments are invalid from the Quran. I showed you how your arguments are invalid from the Quran as I have even presented a word for word translation.
Dishonesty , huh ? as we say "He accuses me of his disease and slips away" . What really happened is that you made some absurd theories to justify rejecting half the religion . And I simply answered them . That's a subject we can go through later .
Show me where exactly I said all the writers conspired.
Remember saying that they were all Persians and only appeared after the fall of the empire ? If this isn't what you meant , what were you hinting ?
I have not made the same fallacy, i literraly present scholarly interpreations of the Quran to show my points. I don't agree with people, I agree with some of their points. Canadian Atheist made a good point.
I have responded to the core, and you have not made a refutation at all--I have shown you your mistakes through an irrefutable word for word translation. Are you going to deny such a translation. Or would you rather go with your own favorable translation?
Why do I feel like I'm dealing with a kid ? The same translator you brag about shuts your argument ! Are you really blind or what ?! And instead of ranting "I made an argument that you can never address" why not actually try ? And I DON'T care what kind of a translator you bring . On what basis do you say this site isn't biased or wrong at all ? You accused the first scholars of so and now you act like these are angels ?! What makes it worse is how you disprove yourself with what you bring ! There is no difference between this and saying that I should believe evolution because "Scientists" believe in it . The same way Atheists say we should be so because there are Atheists among scientists .
So I guess you don't accept the Quran in 19:101. I didn't call all the companions hypocrites. You completely rejected my point on that thread. I said how would Bukhari know who the hypocrites were if Muhammad himself didn't know. Big difference from how you interpreted it.
THAT'S THE POINT ! Do you really fail that horribly in understanding or are you acting like you don't understand ?! I bring you signs saying that the prophet DID know the hypocrites as Allah told him and I get this in response ? YES , you ARE accusing them all with hypocrisy since you say we can't trust any of them . The funny thing is , since we can't trust them , anyone can say they corrupted Quran . Another point killing your doctrine of rejecting Hadith and you still don't answer .
Again, you are over-reaction to a completely logical point.
Premise 1: The Quran is the word of God and the word of it does not lie
Premise 2: The Quran said that some of the prophet's companions are hypocrites and only Allah knows who they are.
Conclusion: Therefore, what the Quran said about the hypocrisy of some companions is not a lie. And some companions are hypocrites.
You weren't very happy with that Quranic verse. It seems to have bothered you. How could some of the guys you really trust be hypocrites? It must be really damaging to you.
You really need serious treatment . I don't know if it's blindness or madness of greatness - you wish - or something else . What logic are you talking about ?! The sun can be green with your logic ! I might lose my mind trying to reason with you !
Your line of thinking is completely misleading and twisting the meanings . Are you that much a coward not to answer a verse of the same book you - unjustly - claim to follow ? Quran itself says that Allah told the prophet of the hypocrites . So yes , Allah doesn't lie , but YOU LIE .
I have simply posted a quranic verse and showed you that there are hypocrites among the companions. These verses you posted just tell the prophet to fight against the hypocrites when he sees them. What's funny is this verse is also acknowledging that some companions are hypocrites. Are you saying that Muhammad was able to find all the hypocrites? No, because Quran 19:101 tells us that only Allah knows who they all are and Muhammad does not know.
You should be arrested for trying to make fun of people's intellect . Already explained , you don't just reject Sunnah , you even reject what you don't like of Quran .
You have the nerve to say I have nothing to back this up while I gave you the direct word-for-word Arabic translation?
I'll use your same logic and say that I don't trust this site - which actually works against your belief - because I can't know who's a Muslim and who's a hypocrite . How can we ever know that there are any Muslims ? Maybe I am one of the hypocrites . Maybe Osama is . Maybe you are . Of course , I'm just talking while standing from your point . Screw the translator . You rejected greater and more trusted sources . But of course , you'd do anything possible to prove this madness .
I have the Quran to back me up. This is completely reasonable.
Quran is innocent of you .
I support whichever belief is reasonable. The Quran supports evolution, simple as that. I have demonstrated it time and time again.
Oh really ? How come you failed time and time again in bringing a single verse saying so ? I'll repeat , you bring what proves you wrong !
Seriously, how does someone interpret this: "(Quran 64:3) ..He designed you and made your design better.. (this is the literal word for word Arabic)" as Allah made our human design perfect. If this verses wanted to say that, then it would have said "He designed you good" Rather then "he designed you and made your design good". Do you get the difference? And then you accuse me of changing the meaning of the Quran? What?
We're not to interpret this because it's simply NOT from Quran . You just forge verses too !
http://quran.com/64"Hey Johny , make me a sandwich , and make it good will ya ?" Oh yes , if we go with you , it would mean that the sandwich evolved !!
Indeed mankind was created in the best of moulds/stature. Through what mechanism? Quran 32:7-9 highlight it. Through the mechanism of making creation better.
Oh no mister . You see , Quran says Allah "Created people in best shape" . It just says creating . No evolution here . Of course , this isn't the main argument I stand on but just to show you how it gets when we explain verses in the way you do by cutting them and making them however one likes .
I don't like this emotional nonsense.
Uh-huh , the fake face is falling off again I see . Well then , we'll see who's being emotional and demonstrating issues .
So you say that science hasn't proved evolution? Factual error.
So you say that I didn't prove the Quranic support of evolution. Another factual error.
Did your blindness get to me ? Because I don't see you proving it . You just say - again - that you're right and I'm wrong .
Well looks like you haven't seen enough cases and of course you are not a scientist in biology. The ignorance you display reveals that. Nor are you understanding of the Quran, the ignorance you display reveals that to.
Well crack that make-up more pal . I would be more comfortable if you come flat out instead of all this acting . Ignorance , huh ? Says the one who refutes himself and still says that what he refuted is right .
Further, you say that I don't have a degree in Islam. Of course I don't. But, I look at scholarly interpretations of the Quran and I also have my own lexicon. I even provide you me sources. You just make statements on evolution and say that all the evidence is forged and make all of these excuses because you don't like the idea of humans being formed form monkeys. Humans must be too high on the throne for that?
And what do we call the fallacy of lying that the other said something he didn't ? I said that evolution is wrong simply because it has no proof at all . Not in Quran OR in science .
Yes , humans are reminded over and over of how they are born and that they were nothing . It still doesn't change the fact that they were favored on the worlds . And trying to make it look like I refuse this myth because I think we're too high is a real cheap shot .
The multiverse is not backed by evidence so I do not exactly believe we have completely understood it. I would say that Allah can create whatever he likes. If the multiverse exists, then it doesn't at all disprove God.
Further, the Quran supports the idea of many universes:
Oh yeah ? they claim there is , so what do you say ? And to make it get to you , they mean that since the universes are infinite then they weren't created and there is no God . Of course , there is nothing to back this nonsense .
Quran talks about other universe yes , but you are not to witness them with your puny knowledge . If mankind and Jins could escape the heavens then let them try .
Looks like you will enjoy my article refuting him? I'm about 25% done, It should be done by January.
It doesn't matter if you prove him wrong . I don't base my belief on others . But I just have a hunch that what you call refutation is nothing more than a load of nonsense .
The Quran does support evolution. I have shown you time and time again. I don't understand this unwilling nature of yours.
Well , I couldn't understand the huge amount of ignorance you demonstrate . Get used to it , we don't always get what we want .
I do believe evolution is right. And the Quran does say it is right. Just like that. Yeah. Its not necessarily an argument, it is a stating of fact. I have displayed my arguments later in that post 
Yeah yeah , keep with the fake smiles . They'll fall off eventually . And arguments ? If you call ignoring everything you can't answer , forging verses to support you , and using flashy terms as arguments , then yes , they would be arguments .
You cannot understand evolution or the trinity or anything for that matter, unless you study it. Further, you cannot deny something you don't understand and call yourself honest.
Well , you also didn't study a thing in Islam , so you can't understand it . We only need someone to make a "You don't say" face here .
I do know of what you take as evidence for your doctrine . And I know enough to say that it's crap . The real dishonest person is the one altering Qruan here .
There is no proof of God. that is fact and the Quran mentions it. We can debate this at another time. It would have been better if you haven't blocked me from YouTube. How noble of you.
Noble or not , here we are arguing . And since you don't believe there is proof for God , go make your own religion !
Are you saying that Allah creation of the world is stupid? Take that back immediately and repent.
Go check your eyes again because you seem to see everything in outrageous ways . I'm saying that YOUR view of things is stupid Clear enough ?
This is your weakest part of the argument. Read the verse again. I cannot believe you actually made that argument. If I make something good after I created it, what did I do? I made it better. that is exactly what the Quran says.
Oh lord , give me strength !! How am I supposed to make it reach your thick skull ?! You first believed and then based your view of the entire universe on that false belief . That's how you fake evidence . You just decide that it's right . And when something appears which you want an explanation for , you just say "evolution" . The same as worship of gaps . If I was a language teacher I would give you minus 10 ! Since you do understand some Arabic , read this . If you still don't understand , there is no hope !
http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=3477&idto=3477&bk_no=48&ID=2939You cannot just deny one part of the Quran and accept another. They all go together.
Say that to yourself in the mirror . You're the one who accused the companions thorough miserable explanation of one verse and STILL don't answer me bringing another verse blowing your argument .
The links I brought are literal word for word translations. You know Arabic and you know better. The word-for-word understanding is important.
Again, you change the subject. It seems to be a mechanism to avoid my clear points. Again, I know deep inside you believe I am right on this one, you are just unwilling.
Pathetic indeed . So they are word to word translation ? So what ? That doesn't prove them right . And again , you don't answer the fact that they are against you .
And allow me to slap you out of your lala world once again . I know deep inside that you're plain wrong . You're the deluded one who thinks that he's right and the majority of people are unwilling . You're the one who think he's a genius who discovered what the entire Islamic nation didn't for over a thousand years . So enough with the drama and try actually answering something .
You no Arabic.
I is sorry sir . I no understand you .
That is the sad part. Denying a word for word translation of the Quran? You can go word for word. You know Arabic! Seriously, this is just dishonesty to a new level. This defense mechanism you use is simply not working for you, it does you no favor. Read the Quran word for word and translate it word for word. There are many lexicons you can buy, many websites you can use. The Quran is so clear on that, but you like you perverse it!
And what's your point after this wall of rant and whining ? Again - for over 9000 times - the same website you use is against you . And if we assume that it isn't , I won't trust it because there can be hypocrites among its admins . If you want to deem them as holy figures which never make mistakes or lie then you may just go worship them .
And for this reason , for this headache , I stopped arguing with you before . I'm not even sure anymore if the most brilliant man on earth can ever make you understand ! A huge ego and arrogance alongside ignorance that doesn't lack in size as well . What a deadly combination ! I'll need a lot of aspirin if I'm to keep going like that . If the next post is the same avoidance of answering and ego boosting , I might just stop so that I can keep my sanity .
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