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Hello brother

The messenger is prohibited from adding his own teachings to the message he received from God

Najm 1 By the star when it descends, 2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, 3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. 4 It is not but a revelation revealed,

Nahl 43 And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know. 44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

You claim is that the words "It was divine inspiration" indicate that every word spoken by Muhammad in his life time (or at least since he started receiving the revelation at the age of 40) is to be regarded as being divine inspiration. As a result of this false claim, you  preach that all Muslims must obey every word spoken by the prophet, whether it is Quran or his personal sayings (hadith).

From a linguistic point of view, we note that God says "In Huwa ila wahe yuha" 53:4 ..... this literally translates to (It is nothing but inspiration being inspired). the word "Huwa" is a key word in this verse, it literally means 'it', but that is not all. The word 'it' in English does not give a gender, 'it' could refer to a masculine or a feminine equally. However, in Arabic the word "Huwa" refers to the masculine (as opposed to the word Hiya which refers to the feminine). The word "Huwa" here refers to the Quran which is masculine in gender.

What all this means is that in this verse, God is specifically speaking about the inspiration of the Quran to Muhammad. God is not speaking about every word uttered by Muhammad!!

So you bring up Quran 16:44 again??
You are still missing the point!
you are still turning a blind eye to the command in 45:6
 please read this verse again where God prohibits us from following ANY hadith other than the Quran.
why do you ignore this command?
 "These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?" 45:6

1- We are told in the Quran that it is God who explains the true meaning of the Quran:
 "Al-Rahman, He teaches the Quran" (55:1-2)

2- The prophet was commanded to follow the recitation of the Quran, but was also reminded that it is God who explains the Quran:

3- The Prophet Muhammad was commanded by God to tell the people that he cannot guide them:

Why is it so difficult to believe all the words of God which I showed you?
 
Do you want to be sorry on Judgement day and say I wish I did not let my ego blind me from the truth?

LIES! The Quran does not tell us in ONE verse to follow another revelation besides it.

EXACTLY! The issue with the Quran is it did NOT say that you need another source to properly understand the Quran! IN fact, it said quite the contrary!
Are we finally on the same page???

Let's assume for one second that I don't know the science of hadith. Didn't you list some components of the science and didn't I show you its flaws??

Where does the Quran tell us how to pray and when to pray?.....I KNOW you did not mean that. I know that you know where.

It has happened in the past, hasn't it? So why are the modern scholars immune?

How about Christianity, huh? How did all these lies get past the scholars unnoticed?

A really good hypocrite would be hard to detect.....Secondly, you forgot about the role of people making honest mistakes in the hadith literature.

So you didn't address my arguments against the 'science' of hadiths, you just said hypocrites are impossible to have existed. What a lie.

Again, you appeal to the ''whole nation'' crap.

Yup, but hadiths are not reveled to Muhammad and are not from Muhammad. They are fabrications. In fact, given that 695,000+/700,000 hadiths were shown to be fabrications by Bukhari gives evidence for my claim.

Quran 69:40, 43-46 [That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger...And if Muhammad had made up about Us some sayings [other than this revelation-Quran],We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta.

38 So I swear by what you see 39 And what you do not see 40 [That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger. 41 And it is not the word of a poet; little do you believe. 42 Nor the word of a soothsayer; little do you remember. 43 [It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. 44 And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, 45 We would have seized him by the right hand; 46 Then We would have cut from him the aorta.

Najm 1 By the star when it descends, 2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, 3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. 4 It is not but a revelation revealed,

Nahl 43 And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know. 44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

Narrating things and accepting the narration from the last man is NOT a good way. It fails on it self and renders the last narration unreliable. The best way is to actually hear the words from the prophet and write them down and not spread them to other people.

Now here you assume that there HAS to be hadiths in Islam. You would be wrong, the Quran is sufficient completely on everything relevant to Islam.

”Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” The Word of your Lord is complete in truth and in justice” 6:115
”This is not fabricated ‘hadith’; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a guidance and mercy for those who believe” 12:111
”We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance and mercy and good news for the submitters” 16:89

Nahl 44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

What does Allah mean by EVERYTHING?
If a professor tells you, your textbook is complete contains everything and made no exceptions--What are you going to believe? You are going to say that the textbook has everything that is relevant to the course. That does not mean that you can go to another textbook and say that "this other textbook has things relevant to the course that is not in the textbook the professor authorized" The only things that are relevant in the course is everything in the professor's textbook. If any other textbook contains anything else that is not mentioned in the professor's textbook, it is NOT relevant to the course. PERIOD.

Can't a fabricator prove he met someone but lie about what the person he met means? The answer is Yes.

Can't a fabricator be a hypocrite and being perceived as being honest and then LIE about the chain of narration and list honest people to make it seem like his narration is true? Yes again.

Even the slightest readiness of that person to lie deems him a liar , dropped (متروك) or any other term . Not just lying , but also any form of sinful acts . And when all or a the majority of scholars who come from different and far places agree that a person is a liar , there is no meaning in anyone saying he isn't . Also , when all or the majority of scholars testiy for someone , accusing him out of thin air is meaningless . Not to mention that these scholars are testifyed for by others from all different categories of people .

2:8 And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers. 9 They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. 10 In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. 11 And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers." 12 Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not. 13 And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not. 14 And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers."

9:64 They hypocrites are apprehensive lest a surah be revealed about them, informing them of what is in their hearts. Say, "Mock [as you wish]; indeed, Allah will expose that which you fear."

9:67 The hypocrite men and hypocrite women are of one another. They enjoin what is wrong and forbid what is right and close their hands. They have forgotten Allah , so He has forgotten them [accordingly]. Indeed, the hypocrites - it is they who are the defiantly disobedient.

9:81 Those who remained behind rejoiced in their staying [at home] after [the departure of] the Messenger of Allah and disliked to strive with their wealth and their lives in the cause of Allah and said, 'Do not go forth in the heat." Say, "The fire of Hell is more intensive in heat" - if they would but understand.

63: 5 And when it is said to them, "Come, the Messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you," they turn their heads aside and you see them evading while they are arrogant.

63:7 They are the ones who say, "Do not spend on those who are with the Messenger of Allah until they disband." And to Allah belongs the depositories of the heavens and the earth, but the hypocrites do not understand. 63:8 They say, "If we return to al-Madinah, the more honored [for power] will surely expel therefrom the more humble." And to Allah belongs [all] honor, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites do not know.

The fabricator can have good memory in what he fabricated and narrate the same fabrication every time to pass his sick twisted agenda.

So as you have seen these methods are unreliable and not a science not to mention that even honest people can make big mistakes! In fact, I could be considered an honest Muslims to my friends, yet have an atom's weight of dishonesty and I want to pass on an Islamic agenda that I THINK will be good for Islam. Therefore, I will lie about where I got the narration and make it an authoritative source so people believe me. I will remember my lie very well because I made it up.

4:115 And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.

How do I know that the Quran is preserved and from Allah? The number 19 code of the Quran let's us know that unless people in the past had computers, they wouldn't be able to make a book with such a strong numerical consistency.

25:43 Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire? Then would you be responsible for him?

you are gonna need to do better than insult my argument. If all of those hadiths (700,000+_were fabrications, then it is likely that the ones we have were also fabrications and now we know that people in the past LIED about the prophet Muhammad. This (combined with the flaws in hadith collection) therefore renders hadiths unreliable. Moreover, the Quran tells us to not believe in ANYTHING with respect to religion unless it is in the Quran.

You missed the point. My point was, there are so many lies in hadiths and so many people lied about the prophet. This means that hadiths are fundamentally unreliable.

^This was deemed a sahih hadith. LOL. Now, you would say that some modern islamic scholars disregard this hadith. I would agree with you, BUT, the point was lies did make it to the "sahih" hadiths.

I would advise brother BlackMuslim to be more respectful.

He's basically given a silly opinion about the breast feeding of adults from some salafi "scholars".

They said that the breasts feeding doesn't have to be by physical contact between the man's mouth and the breast's nipple.

But from the debates I've seen between your "scholars", the woman who isn't even wet (she has dry breasts, because she didn't give birth) can still breast feed.  Putting your mouth in the breast and sucking makes her your foster mother!

But who cares about the Quran.  It is secondary.  Right "Black Muslims"?

So again, until Muslims (Bleep) we will never advance.

Jinns are not flesh and blood.  They can't eat our dust and water and flesh and blood materials.

Akhi, I read your sources and I am not convinced.  The Noble Verse that you mentioned in Arabic by the way is about Prophet Moses' Miracle when he turned the stick into a snake.  Peace be upon Prophet Moses.  It doesn't say that he got bewitched or anyone got bewitched.

65 They said, "O Moses, either you throw or we will be the first to throw." 66 He said, "Rather, you throw." And suddenly their ropes and staffs seemed to him from their magic that they were moving [like snakes].

Your forcing your cult's nonsense into the Holy Quran to justify the crimes that had been injected in your "Sahih"

wipe the floor with:

1-  The Prophet of Islam.

2-  Aisha, the Prophet's wife.

3-  Claiming that the Holy Quran is corrupt, when Its Overwhelming Miraculous Text and Compilation and Miracles testify to the Holy Book's Divinity.

This sick and dumb

Both of you are criminals!  Not all of your followers.  But this Ummah's problems come straight from both of your cults.  Like everyone here sees, you're willing to wipe the floor with Islam to save your false narrations.  This is not my Islam.  Far be it from me.

But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."

You want to believe that Aisha used to have her sisters and nieces have their breasts get SUCKED BY GOWN MEN so she would become their "Aunt in Islam" and then have private sessions with them, then that's your BS.  I reject such garbage,

لا بد من توضيح شيء مهم جدا وهو :
ان معنى الرضاع لا يكون بالضروري التقام الثدي

ومنه قول الشاعر
وذموا لنا الدنيا وهم يرضعونها * * * أفاويق حتى ما يدر لها رسل

عن عائشة –رضى الله عنها- أن سالماً مولى أبى حذيفة كان مع أبى حذيفة
وأهله فى بيتهم فأتت (تعنى ابنة سهيل) النبى فقالت : إن فى نفس أبى حذيفة من ذلك شيئاً فقال لها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : "ارضعيه تحرمى عليه، ويذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة" فرجعت، فقالت : إنى قد أرضعته، فذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة"

سؤال اذا كان أبوحذيفة رضي الله عنه في نفسه كراهة بوجود سالم فكيف يرضى ان يرضع بالتقام الثدي ؟؟
قال ابن عبد البر : صفة رضاع الكبير أن يحلب له اللبن ويسقاه، فأما أن تلقمه المرأة ثديها، فلا ينبغى عند أحد من العلماء
وقال عياض : ولعل سهلة حلبت لبنها فشربه من غير أن يمس ثديها، ولا التقت بشرتاهما، إذ لا يجوز رؤية الثدى، ولامسه ببعض الأعضاء.
قال الإمام الزرقاني : "وكأن القائلين بأن ظاهر الحديث أنه رضع من ثديها، لم يقفوا فى ذلك على شئ فقد روى ابن سعد عن الواقدى عن محمد بن عبد الله ابن أخى الزهري عن أبيه قال : كانت سهلة تحلب فى إناء قدر رضعته، فيشربه سالم فى كل يوم، حتى مضت خمسة أيام،فكان بعد ذلك يدخل عليها وهى حاسر،رخصة من رسول الله لسهلة"
وبهذا نستبعد أن الرضاع حصل بالملامسة ، للرواية من جهة ولرأي الجمهور من جهة أخرى .
فجمهور الصحابة على أن قصة سالم واقعة عين خاصة به، ولا يصح الاحتجاج بها لغيره، وتابع على ذلك جمهور علماء الأمة من التابعين فمن بعدهم، وانفردت عائشة –رضى الله عنها- مع قلة من الفقهاء منهم : عروة بن الزبير، وعطاء بن أبى رباح، والليث بن سعد، وابن علية، وغيرهم رأوا أن قصة سالم عامة، وأن إرضاع الكبير يثبت به التحريم وللكل وجهة نظر ودليل
ثم ان عائشة –رضى الله عنها- ومن قال بقولها من الفقهاء فرأوا أن قصة سالم عامة للمسلمين، لمن حصل له ضرورة : وللكل في هذا الخلاف وجهة نظر ودليل، ولم يكن لهذا الاختلاف بينهم أى أثر فى اعتقادهم صحة الحديث، الذى يحاول دعاة الفتنة وأدعياء العلم تضعيفه أو النيل من عدالة رواته، ومن أخرجه من الأئمة الأعلام فى كتبهم.

You want the wipe the floor with Islam and the Prophet of Islam for believing the poisonous lies about him got bewitched, then that's your nonsense and your problem.  This is not my Islam.  I don't believe a Jew (notice it's a Jew, not a pagan) stole a piece of hair from the Prophet, did abakadabra on it, then hid it under a rock and caused the Prophet to get bewitched for 1 full year is true.  I believe it is a false lie injected into Islam. 

And while we're at it.  Has your cult been able to find the so-called chained dajjal in the "island"?  They inspected all of the Middle East's Islands and found non.  And so far, no Island in the entire world has any chained dajjal. 

عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرٍ الصِّدِّيقِ - رَضِيَ الله عَنه - قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - قَالَ: ** الدَّجَّالُ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ أَرْضٍ بِالْمَشْرِقِ يُقَالُ لَهَا خُرَاسَانُ يَتْبَعُهُ أَقْوَامٌ كَأَنَّ وُجُوهَهُمْ الْمَجَانُّ الْمُطْرَقَةُ } حديث صحيح رواه الترمذي .

The problem is in the hadith collections.  To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.

I don't understand what is the big deal to flush out the false narrations when the collectors of the hadiths themselves did that before.

Did not Imam Ahmed choose his collection from what he claimed 1,000,000 hadiths?  That's one million.  I believe the number is too ridiculously high, and this is a lie on his mouth, but it is nonetheless there.  Similarly, did not Bukhari say that he chose his hadiths from 600,000?  That's six hundred thousand.  So why can't we today clean out the absurd lies and only take what agrees with the Holy Quran?

Is that too much to ask?  Do we really need to read about how the Prophet lived, and what food he ate, and how he even used to do the #2 in using the bathroom (seriously!!), and how he had sex with his wives, and what dramas took place between his wives, and who was the hypocrite and who wasn't, and what dramas and conflicts took place between the Muslims, and what civil wars happened between them, and which side should you be on?  Do we need all of this rubbish?

Thanks for replying akhi. well, I really do not understand what you mean. Can you explain this?

Sometimes it is best to leave those who are disbelievers in the Quran alone.