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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Why Petra cannot be where Muhammad SAW was from
« on: November 11, 2017, 05:25:31 PM »
Quote from: Albarra on November 11, 2017, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: New World Order Cleanse on November 11, 2017, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 11, 2017, 10:13:50 AM
Mihrabs were there since the past,give me one ancient islamic literature mentioning petra.

The Abbasids burned many libraries and went through extensive lengths to destroy any fragment of Quranic history from Petra, then they manufactured your religion thereafter. That's the dominant theory, which you can learn from Dan Gibson's documentary.

If you are overly emotional about your religion, then don't watch it.


Again, that doesn't prove us anything.

What type of books were burned by Muslim empires?

Obviously, stupid scientists couldn't read these books because they already burned, so how did they know these books mentioned about Petra? They are lying.
So, how do you know that these books mentioned about Petra for Muhammad's birth? Show your evidence.
 

Maybe these books were written by infidels, or Shi'ite or hypocrites.   

Sorry NWO, but your evidence is not powerful enough to support your claim.

So there is no good evidence that these books mentioned about Muhammad's birth in Petra because they were already burned.

According to sources, Islamic invaders burned mass libraries that were belonged to infidels. Just like Muhammad destroyed idols in Mecca.

Some researches suggested that Caliph Umar also burned libraries in Alexandria, Egypt.

Documentary is available on Amazon prime, you cannot hide it forever, so you might as well watch it and thereafter try to deal with it.

This is the biggest pike in your religion's bottom. If you're into apologetics then really, you've got to see it. Christian's will pickup on it soon... Christianity went under the furnace of critical historical reasoning, now it's your religion's turn!

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Why Petra cannot be where Muhammad SAW was from
« on: November 11, 2017, 04:11:57 PM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 11, 2017, 10:13:50 AM
Mihrabs were there since the past,give me one ancient islamic literature mentioning petra.

The Abbasids burned many libraries and went through extensive lengths to destroy any fragment of Quranic history from Petra, then they manufactured your religion thereafter. That's the dominant theory, which you can learn from Dan Gibson's documentary.

If you are overly emotional about your religion, then don't watch it.

I am not a relativist, things are either true or they are not. Muhammad was not from Mecca, because he just wasn't. Critical thinking isn't your sport... let academic historians do their stuff and then judge from there, stop sprouting misinformation. I linked Gibson's and King's clash, read that and stop thinking, because you can't think. Lol.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 11, 2017, 10:29:48 AM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 11, 2017, 10:22:24 AM


Peace.

Can you please provide the dating of this trade route (is it pre-Islamic, Islamic, or post-Islamic?), and can you provide a historical map (not digitized) that corroborates with this dating?

If there was such a map, I'm sure the skeptical historians wouldn't have missed it.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Why Petra cannot be where Muhammad SAW was from
« on: November 11, 2017, 09:57:04 AM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 11, 2017, 09:20:25 AM
Qibla myth has been refuted,Dan gibson only used the top view to determine the qibla and not the mihrab or where old Imams stood,this way I can look at Medina and say its facing Hawaii,therefore Hawaii is a qibla,does that make sense?

What's the probability that almost all of the early mosques original structures (of which we can determine) face Petra? Clearly the builders had an agenda to orient the mosques toward Petra, or else we'd have random data, but instead we have specific data, wherein the mosques specifically face Petra.

The mihrabs are there to signify the new prayer directions, but the original site was in norther Arabia, in Petra.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 11, 2017, 09:52:21 AM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 11, 2017, 09:22:28 AM
You quite handily ignore the incense trade route map and the silk road map.

Show me the map with the incense trade route map and the silk road map with Mecca's name on it, in the same vicinity.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Why Petra cannot be where Muhammad SAW was from
« on: November 11, 2017, 07:57:33 AM »
Qiblahs.

Maps.

Maps.

Qiblahs.

Maps Qiblhas Qiblahs Maps.

Maps maps maps qiblahs qiblahs Qiblahs.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: I have this one question
« on: November 11, 2017, 07:51:38 AM »
Why don't you try to think about it yourself? What does this tell you about the nature of this literature?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 11, 2017, 06:24:46 AM »
Quote from: Albarra on November 11, 2017, 01:06:24 AM


Peace.

This is the one instance of this root of "Mekka". By comparative Quranic analysis of "Bibatni" and the lexicons, "Bibatni Mekka" translates to "belly of destruction", not "midst of Mekka (city)". Mecca today is not in a belly-like structure, and so fails to impress on these sparse descriptions within the Quran.

Your religion is a psychological operation, look up what that is. The 9/11 inside job is a great example of a psychological operation that is easily demonstrable.

Yes, sure. Whatever you say. Virginia means virgin. Therefore, people are virgins hahaha.

In fact, I'm living in a small town in Pennslyvania. It's called State College. So, this town is all about state college, right?

Philadelphia means "brotherly love". According to sources, this fancy word came from the new testament.

The same thing with Medinah. It means "city".
And many other examples as well.

Your argument is dumb and hilarious.

9/11 is a serious mystery. We know that the U.S. and Israeli governments have a lot of classified documents that are related to 9/11.

And now they accused Saudi Arabia for claiming 9/11? This is going too far! I really hope WikiLeak can hack classified documents from Israeli-American government.

You can disagree all you want, but many non-Muslims agree with us. Ironically, I heard an American preacher believe that the U.S. government had been responsible for 9/11.

And did you know that the Pentagon secretly paid a half of a billion dollars for making fake al-Qaeda's videos during US invasing in Iraq?

Oh by the way, President Trump ordered to release classified files about John F. Kenedy, but some federal officials urged him not to release some high-sensitive files for security reasons.

Jeez, I wonder why.
 
And you still refuse to answer my simple question.
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You misunderstood me. I know 9/11 is an inside job, therefore it is a psychological operation. Debris was ejected very far from the site, indicating preset explosives, and it was a perfect pancake demolition, plane's can't cause that. I go to the big fat evidence, not spurious literatures.

Likewise, when analysing Mecca, I go to the big fat evidences e.g. the early mosque orientations, the maps etc. Not spurious literatures (ptolemy, diadorus etc).

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 11, 2017, 05:58:42 AM »
Quote from: QuranSearchCom on November 11, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
NWO Cleanse, let's wrap this nonsense up.  Either you directly respond to my latest post or begone.

Peace.

I can't comment on the Arabic language, you might be right; I'm going to consult people who are skilled in Arabic. But Mecca at this juncture cannot mean the city Mecca today, because of everything I've said previously. If it did it would make everything messy.

Yes, I am entirely open to being proven wrong and learning. The goal is to strive to understand the Quran as it is, not assume conclusions from external literatures.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 10, 2017, 07:43:01 PM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 10, 2017, 06:29:49 PM
This is your disgustful misunderstanding of the hadith then,

First of all Its not that Allah SWT needs apendment,Hadith is only a recording to follow the example of the Prophet,after all the Quran says we must follow what the Prophet has said too.

Great, so I guess we should all start bowing to black boxes because the government said that Muhammad said to do it, and the government never lies (sarcasm).

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 10, 2017, 05:46:35 PM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 10, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Then how about you go and pray to your Al Uzza and Manats and stop disrupting Muslims? That'll be better for you,now you sound like a christian missionary again.


Mihrabs were there in Older mosques aswell,for eg the Mali mosque,etc,etc.

I don't sound like a Christian missionary, I'm about strict monotheism.

I sound more like prophet Ibrahim when he was preaching against idol worship, and you sound like his people who were angry when he destroyed their idols, since you want me to go away. We are to replicate the example of the previous prophets, so I will continue preaching against worship of the priestly classes (hadith writers/Saudi librarians/oligarchs/wealthy politicians) and what they write with their pens, because according to them and you Allah somehow needs appendment (nauzubillah).

You can certainly pray towards Mecca, like some righteous Jews pray towards Jeruselum, you just cannot claim that your chosen method is the only acceptable way.

I pray towards Mecca when I'm with my family or at Friday prayers.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 10, 2017, 01:40:59 PM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 10, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
This guy has probably never heard of Mihrabs,that argument is so dang old.

Trying to wriggle your way out with ill-researched one liners isn't going to make your black box worship historical.

Mihrabs were introduced so that the new prayer direction could be identified. The original prayer direction was... I don't need to say it, do I? It begins with the letter P.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 10, 2017, 11:36:07 AM »
Quote from: shaad on November 10, 2017, 10:14:10 AM
NWO cleanse, you're simply rejecting their arguments without pointing out with which of the points you're in disagreement, if you really are confident like you're portraying then why don't you point out the mistakes and discuss about it? It would be a win-win situation because first of all if you succeed, you'll be able to "open our eyes" or if it is the other way around, we'll be able to "open" your's....

I can't open your eyes, the Quran is clear: God guides.

I promote macro-historical data because it is very hard for politicians to fake. For example, almost all early mosques faced Petra, then they gradually turned towards Mecca, this coincides with Mecca finally appearing on official maps.

When it does appear on the maps, it is not on the old trade route. This is all macro-historical data, there isn't much room for reinterpretation unless you are willing to manipulate data towards an agenda. This hard, physical data demonstrates the evolution of your hadith based religion.

Did that open your eyes? Nope. You're going to pull a micro-history like ptolemy (which is perpetually misrepresented, makoraba =/= mecca) and ignore the hard, physical data I presented.

There are intelligent societies of other Quranists who also reject Mecca and place the original site elsewhere than Petra, but bottom line: Mecca is not the original site. It's a psyop: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States)

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 10, 2017, 09:13:19 AM »
Quote from: AMuslimDude213 on November 10, 2017, 07:58:19 AM
And again,your array of Irrationality is back,even After I provided enough proof to show Mecca was where Muhammad SAW was from.

Peace.

I didn't bother responding to your wall of text because it is all rubbish that I have already studied. If you were genuine you would have studied it yourself, it's all rubbish.

The macro-historical data doesn't lie. And the intelligent viewers of this forum, most of whom probably haven't signed up, know that the evidence I bought is extremely strong and forms a silhouette that explains all the data. You ignore data and just spew rubbish.

If you believe in Mecca's fake history, then you also have to believe that Mecca predates the Egyptian pyramids. THAT MECCA PREDATES THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS.

IT'S INSANE.

IT'S REDICULOUS.

Dat dere double think brah. Dat dere.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 10, 2017, 07:37:59 AM »
Quote from: QuranSearchCom on November 09, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
British people never spoke English.  They've always spoken Arabic.  Whoever says they ever spoke English is a liar.  Whoever says that the inhabitants of England were Brits or English is a liar.  Whoever says that England is an Island is a liar.  Whoever says Muhuhammad was born in Mecca, raised in Mecca, was from the tribe of Hashim, which is part of the whole tribe of Quraysh that inhabited Mecca, and lived in Mecca most of his life is a liar.  Muhammad was a Petran! 

OK dude, you win.  I give up and I concede that you won.  Only Germans live in England.  And all speak Petran.

Osama Abdallah

Peace.

England has substantial historical literature written in English or its integral siblings, spanning many generations, none of which (or very few) is in Arabic; hence they did not speak Arabic primarily. This can be immediately verified.

England is an Island as demonstrated by aeriel photos. This can be immediately verified.

Your analogy is ill-posed.

And your conclusions regarding Muhammad are assumed from an external literaure, whose advent coincides with the victory of the Abbasid regime, post Ali and Uthman assassination.

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