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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Religion
« on: March 09, 2013, 01:20:36 PM »
I don't think I'm wrong when I say that you're of the misguided Atheists who have learned some scientific terms and so they thought they're matchless and everyone else is an ignorant . If you feel offended by that then you shouldn't barge in and say with utmost insolence "Religion is a cancer" . And if we compare the crimes of Atheists in the last century with the crimes of non-Atheists through history then you'll find the crimes of your group unmatched ! What do you say about Mao and Stalin ? And what was the cause behind the actings of Hitler ? was it religion or were they the ideologies of Atheism which admit NOTHING but matter ? Get over yourself . If Atheists were to rule the world with their Atheism , we would perish . Here's a gift of Atheists "Misrepresenting" Atheism and justifying their crimes in its name . Or maybe it DOES justify those crimes .

http://antishobhat.blogspot.com/2012/11/blog-post_2522.html

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was a pedophile?
« on: March 09, 2013, 01:04:06 PM »
You REALLY need to behave when you talk about Prophet Muhammad all peace and blessings upon him ! If someone insulted you with a vile term and then you told someone about it , would you say "He called me a "peep"" ?

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: February 01, 2013, 01:26:39 AM »
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2. No where does it mention that he met the man.

Oh yes he did .
قال البخاري رحمه الله تعالى في التاريخ الكبير (8 /199، ترجمة 2701): هشام بن عمار السلمي الدمشقي سمع يحيى بن حمزة والوليد بن مسلم.

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3. Scholars agree that muallaq hadiths cannot be used for rulings.

As I said , Bukhari did meet Hisham and heard from him , therefore , when he says "Hisham said" then it's in the same level of "To Hisham" .

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4. Its not just a muallaq hadith, its also munqati'

How come ? The whole chain is here :

قال هشام بن عمار: حدثنا صدقة بن خالد حدثنا عبد الرحمن بن يزيد بن جابر حدثنا عطاء بن قيس الكلابي حدثني عبد الرحمن بن غنم الأشعري قال حدثني أبو عامر، أو أبو مالك الأشعري - والله ما كذبني - أنه سمع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول:

And if we suppose that it is unconnected , what about the other paths telling this Hadith ?

In The authorized of The son of Hibban 8\265\6719 he says : "Al-Husain bin Abdullah Al-Qittan told us : Hisham bin Ammar said ... to the end of the Hadith .

 And there are many other ways . IF this one in Bikhari was really unconnected then the others are not .

God knows best .

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: January 31, 2013, 02:48:41 AM »
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Are you serious? That book was written by a human, humans make mistakes. You can never give a book a title like that.

I didn't give it that title :) After scholars investigated and spent decades in the books of Hadith , they found out that Bukhari is the most accurate book among them . Sure , it has some weak narrations but it is still more accurate than the others . I didn't say he doesn't make mistakes :)

As for Thu-Alfiqar , I really want good for you . I didn't engage in this argument with you for show or challenge . But because I want to warn you . So let us look at what you quoted .

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This hadith although narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, it would be not correct to say that Bukhari narrated this hadith since Bukhari does not say (he informed us) or (he told us) or something of the similar words, he reports in a mu’allaq manner in the format (and Hisham ibn ‘Ammar said) and the mu’allaq Ahadeeth in Sahih al-Bukhari are not obliged to be taken as evidence although they can be referred to.

Now , they say that this Hadith is Muallaq and that one narrator is missing from the start of the chain . The reason for this is that Bukhari said "The son of Hisham said" . But the fact is that Bukhari did see the son of Hisham and therefore , if he says this then he's saying the name of the first narrator . And Bukhari mentioned it as a "Majzuum Muallaq" ( Affirmative Muallaq ) . And by looking at "Taqreeb Ilm Al-Hadeeth" , level one , page 147 we see Tariq bin Awad saying "ما كان منها بصيغة الجزم فإنه صحيح النسبة إلى مَن أُضيف إليه؛ فإن البخاري لا يستجيز أن يَجْزِم عنه بذلك ما لم يصح عنده عنه" Which means that is the saying is affirmatively mentioned by Bukhari then it is authorized . Simply put , because he met the man and heard from him knowing he's fair , he mentioned it affirmatively . Therefore , there is no problem in this chain .

God knows best .

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:47:34 AM »
Firstly , I believe that if one saying tells us music is forbidden then it is forbidden . So let us stay with this one Hadith . It is mentioned in Bukhari . And the authorized of Bukhari is the second most truthful book after Quran . There are some few sayings within it which are weak or Israeli . But they're not over 8 or 9 as I remember . Anyway , you say that this one is weak . What for ? That's what we shoul focus on right now . Mention what makes it so and we'll see if it's true or not .

Go knows best .

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: January 29, 2013, 05:50:37 AM »
Now , I'm not in good condition to read all that . It's a good thing that I was able to write the last comment . So , bring the evidence here and explain it point by point and we'll see .

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: January 28, 2013, 12:03:49 AM »
Unauthorized !? How can you say such a thing !? It says in Bukhari :

" Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful."

This is a crystal clear evidence that music is forbidden . Now look , there is a difference between music and singing . Singing is ok unless it contains immoral stuff and all . But music is completely forbidden . It's dangerous to change the meanings and twist words in order for them to match personal desires .

And this is another one

"It was narrated that Al-Awza'i said: "Umar bin 'Abdul-'Aziz wrote a letter to 'Umar bin Al-Walid in which he said: 'The share that your father gave to you was the entire Khumus,[1] but the share that your father is entitled to is the same as that of any man among the Muslims, on which is due the rights of Allah and His Messenger, and of relatives, orphans, the poor and wayfarers. How many will dispute with your father on the Day of Resurrection! How can he be saved who has so many disputants? And your openly allowing musical instruments and wind instruments is an innovation in Islam. I was thinking of sending someone to you who would cut off your evil long hair.""

So how come they deem them unauthorized ?

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: Is music allowed?
« on: January 27, 2013, 12:51:34 AM »
Thu-Alfiqar , you should know that we can take and refute anyone except the prophet peace upon him . It doesn't matter who says something if it isn't supported with evidence . And the prophet said clearly that music is forbidden . So taking something which LOOKS like an agreement from him and leaving a clear saying is wrong . Here's an article with names MORE IMPORTANT than Al-Azhar or any other scholar these days .

http://islamqa.info/ar/ref/5000

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Don't wast your time with that dumb . I had an awful experience there . First of all , they have no manners . Secondly , they never turn back on a lie they told no matter how much you prove it wrong .

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They mean the orbits which days were named after them ? Sunday for the sun and Monday for the moon and the others ? A load of nonsense . To blow that claim you just have to tell them the name of days in Arabic which are :

Sabt - Ahad - Ithnain - Thulatha - Arbia - Khamees - Juma

And they have nothing to do with these bodies whatsoever .

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Kaaba is a destination for the prayer of Muslims around the whole world . That's a sign of unity . It has nothing to do with idol worship . Otherwise , what are Christians going to say about all these idols in their churches ?

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As we say in Arabic "Yaslaam !" Yet again you show another form of ignorance , ignorance of ENGLISH ! The verse says

 "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists"

It says that the people of scriptures - Jews and Christians - and polytheists are in hell . And before you go with "Why put them in hell" take a look at every single faith on the planet and you'll see that they all say the same . Everyone says they are right and the others are wrong . We find out who's right through talking with honesty and evidence . Not through corrupting the pictures of others through an accursed media . Anyway , back on track . The verse doesn't say Atheists . So it shows us that you're not even capable or reading properly ! So how dare you attack Islam while you can't understand what's written ?!

As for Shafi , he did wrong and he should learn from his mistake .

God knows best .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Do Moslems worship the moon
« on: January 19, 2013, 03:30:44 AM »
I don't think I'm being dishonest when I say that you would believe anything they tell you even if they say the sun is green .

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Oh lord , give me strength .

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I know it is hard to believe at first. However, LOOK BEHIND THE DOLLAR BILL. You will see the eye of Horus, the Sun God. Look at the great seal, you will see the Sun and an eagle spreading out its wings. It's all there!

Now hold on a second . who said a thing about the modern America ? I'm talking about hundreds and thousands of years before the British invaded the land and doomed almost every native American . They had religions too . And they never heard of anything named Egypt . That's the point .

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and i love how you changed your Koran:
"we don't believe he was the son of God, crucified, etc"
Changing Allah's words based on my claims is a sin you know

You know , when I read this I think of a an Arabic poem written about Atheists and their attempts to attack Islam . Here are some of it translated . They are separate pieces by the way :

As if I'm seeing you headbutting a rock time after time through fighting the faith with the few goons .............. Now that you made us hear these hallucinations , isn't it time to bring something valid o son of your father ? ............ Why did you think you had the intelligence o absent minded ? And daring reached its utmost and arrogance surpassed its limit until you thought you could fight the best words with your weak rants o poor one .

That's about all I remember . The point is , what I just quoted of your words is 100% invalid . You know NOTHING about Islam and STILL have the nerve talk about it . Now I CHALLENGE you bring me ONE verse saying that Jesus is the son of God or that he was killed . You can look all you want and you'll never find any .

Shafi , watch your words . Following emotions can be disastrous .

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If you're the Canadian in Yahoo answers from a year ago then you'd better leave right now . I remember that name is associated with the arrogance and the lack of proper upbringing .

Now , to answer your lies and attempts to haze our faith .

...................... Hold on a second . NOTHING in your post can shake the faith of ANYONE ! All of these are claims you make just because you think they are right . I won't tire myself refute something you address to Christians . That's their job . But when you try to put us in the same spot with Christians through saying :

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Moslems believe in Christ.

First of all , Canadian one , we are Muslims - With "U" - and secondly , this sentence of yours reveals serious ignorance of some of the simplest things in Islam . Sure , we believe in Jesus peace upon him as well . But do you have an idea what do we believe about him ? Clearly , you don't . We don't believe he's God or son of God . We don't even give him any divine characteristics . We don't believe he was killed . We don't believe he turned water to wine . The only things you mentioned and we do believe are that he was born from the virgin Mary peace upon her , and that he performed miracles . So here's an advice . Take all these things you came up with and confront Christians with . We have nothing to do with them .

But , yet another thing you say which shows serious ignorance , not of Islam , but of ANY religion , is that you claim ALL the religions came from Egypt . So you're saying that the religions which appeared before Egypt existed are actually from Egypt ?! And what about the far away nations - The Americas - which never knew about it ? Respect our minds please ! This isn't a comedy show !

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