my work: ASTONISHING EVIDENCE AHMED mentioned in DEAD SEA SCROLLS DSS in Hebrew

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brothers, the work I am about to show you is a scholarly piece that I have been working on. It is absolutely CLEAR evidence that "Ahmed" prophet Muhammad pbuh prophesized name is in the Isaiah 42:1 in Hebrew. Enjoy:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/ASTONISHING EVIDENCE AHMED in DSS OT in HEBREW by ADIL RIAZ.docx.pdf

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Piebu2G_gf2AdLnKrepoEXbO3WDu-zDFsT5aMJabCAo/edit?usp=sharing

I did some extra research and I might be coming up with a part 2 of it.
Leave me feedback and let me know what you think.

[Syedsamad]

Excellent 👍👏👍

[adilriaz123]

Thank you brother, I am looking more deeper into Isaiah 42 since it is the MOST CLEAREST EVIDENCE of the prophesy of prophet Muhammad pbuh in the OT. I will work harder to dissect this. Also I will also show more translations that both "Athmck" and "Ahmed" are names and are suppose to be RETAINED, but they translated it. My next work will be on "Whom I uphold" and we will see if this is correct or false. I want to dissect this to the point that No apologetic has anything to say regards to it.   

[Syedsamad]

Great after u finish it completely u can make a video on it and she it on utube

[adilriaz123]

Since I have a tight schedule managing opening a business, college, 2 jobs and family. I have a hard time to do that and can only do things at my own pace. I talked to brother TruthExposer777, he said he can convert my work to videos, I did provide him with this work. So hopefully u will see it posted on his channel soon.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Adil and all other Muslims,

Jazaka Allah Khayr for your hard work, akhi.  For some reason, I am not able to see the file.  I get an error page that says the following:

"Google Docs encountered an error. Please try reloading this page, or coming back to it in a few minutes.

To learn more about the Google Docs editors, please visit our help center.

We're sorry for the inconvenience.
- The Google Docs Team"


I will try it on a different computer.  I will let you know when I do so, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother Osama, it was working fine a moment ago. For some reason Google Drive and Google Doc occurred an error. Is there another way I can show my work here. I used the hyperlink code and shared my Google Drive share link for the work. But for some reason it occurred an error and I am trying to do it again but it is causing same problem. What method do you recommend?

[adilriaz123]

Ok brother Osama, I fixed the problem.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Piebu2G_gf2AdLnKrepoEXbO3WDu-zDFsT5aMJabCAo/edit?usp=sharing

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Adil,

Thank you.  I can see it now.  Jazaka Allah Khayr.  I was using my ORACLE LINUX 6 server at home that I built (all non-microsoft), and I wasn't sure if this was the problem or not. 

Jazaka Allah Khayr.  The document looks impressive.  I will look into it later today if I get time and a change, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun Alaikum dear brother

Great work brother!!!  But I would suggest you to do a research on the Four Servant Songs of Isaiah. The Four Servant Songs consists of Isaiah 42 also. According to scholars they speak of the same servant.  So brother I would suggest you to do a research on the Songs of the Suffering Servant instead of studying just a part of it. Since if Isaiah 42 speaks of Prophet Muhammad then the entire song should speak of Prophet Muhammad too.  Anyway I highly appreciate your hard work brother.  Keep up the good work!!!

Thank you

[adilriaz123]

Walakum salam brother, I took a brief look into the four servant song of Isaiah. This isn't a separate biblical work. These are mentions and verse through out isaiah 42 that go back to the context of the special servant of God that is being mentioned in Isaiah 42:1. The reason why I decided to make Isaiah 42:1 in such importance is that the Entire Isaiah 42 is talking about the servant mentioned at the first verse. If I can completely dissect this then there is undeniable proof that the entire isaiah 42 is talking about prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Now from the my work above, I did that and I showed clear evidence that it is about prophet Muhammad pbuh. However, I will take it further and make it absolute evident that it is prophet Muhammad, by also proving that "whom I uphold," shouldn't even belong there because that is not what the verse says in Hebrew.

I will also work on making more works that shows how prophet Muhammad pbuh fulfills Isaiah 42 prophecy. The first verse is already evident of that. As it says "he will bring justice to nation's" prophet Jesus never brought justice to nations, however prophet Muhammad pbuh did by sending letters to other nations to come to Islam, while some accepted others didn't and fought and lost, that was the justice.

Inshallah I will do the best I can.  =)

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Brother Adil, it looks like the "doitinhebrew" site are messing around with the AHMED translation.  Here is a google translate link that shows אתמד in English:

https://www.google.com/#q=%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%93+in+English

From the two links that you gave in your article, it is quite clear that Hebrew speakers differ on how to pronounce the ת.  Sometimes they pronounce it as H, and sometimes they pronounce it as T.  The Babylon translation that you gave in your article, translated it as H, and gave the result Ahmed.  Any thoughts on this, akhi?

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

To me it seems that there are varients to the translation to that word like some say ATMC and others say Atmch for the that word with the kaf. What is important to notice is that this word is a name and the translator is retaining it. While some translators are saying Ahmed, this proves that Ahmed is indeed the meaning of this word. I even tried typing in Ahmed from English to Hebrew. It gave me the word that I corrected with the dalet. But when I type in "Whom I Uphold" u get a completely set of Hebrew letters.

[adilriaz123]

Correction: "completely different"

[adilriaz123]

Here are varients of Ahmed :. Achmad, Achmat, Achmed, Achmet, Ahmat, Ahmet, Ahmadu, Amadou, Ahmot, Amadu


If you are getting any of these above while translating all of this is correct, these are varients due to different way of pronunciation.

[QuranSearchCom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth

"Hebrew spelling: חֵית‎

Pronunciation[edit]
In Modern Israeli Hebrew (and Ashkenazi Hebrew, although not under strict pronunciation), the letter Ḥet (חֵית‎) usually has the sound value of a voiceless uvular fricative (/χ/), as the historical phonemes of the letters Ḥet ח (/ħ/) and Khaf כ (/x/) merged, both becoming the voiceless uvular fricative ([χ]).

In more rare phonologies, it is pronounced as a voiceless pharyngeal fricative (/ħ/) and is still among Mizrahim (especially among the older generation and popular Mizrahi singers, mostly Yemenies), in accordance with oriental Jewish traditions.

The ability to pronounce the Arabic letter ḥāʾ (ح) correctly as a voiceless pharyngeal fricative /ħ/ is often used as a shibboleth to distinguish Arabic-speakers from non-Arabic-speakers; in particular, pronunciation of the letter as /x/ is seen as a hallmark of Ashkenazi Jews and Greek Jews.

Ḥet is one of the few Hebrew consonants that can take a vowel at the end of a word. This occurs when patach gnuva comes under the Ḥet at the end of the word. The combination is then pronounced /-aχ/ rather than /-χa/. For example: פתוח (/ˌpaˈtuaχ/), and תפוח (/ˌtaˈpuaχ/)."  (Source)


http://ulpan.com/two-sounds-to-the-letter-%D7%97-het-httpktzat-ivrit-ulpan-com/

"The letter ח”ת (het) is pronounced by most Hebrew speakers today the same way the כ is pronounced – like a kh sound (not found in Modern English). In some Jewish communities (North African, Yemenite), however, it is still pronounced just above the throat, with no voice – like a scratchy “h” sound.

This guttural sound was one of two sounds that the letter ח represented in Biblical Hebrew. The other sound was more similar to today’s כ.

And what did the כ sound like (represented without a dot in the middle)? It was a “k” sound (כּ), but slightly softer than a regular “k” when following a vowel – such as in the word אָכֵן (ah-KHEN – indeed).

ח is the first letter in the word חוֹמָה (hoh-MAH), which means “wall” (such as that of a city). Today is Shushan Purim, or the observance of Purim in cities that have had a wall standing since the days of Joshua. Jerusalem is one of those cities.

So happy Shushan Purim!"  (Source)


Other important links:

https://www.google.com/#q=%D7%AA+het
http://www.morfix.co.il/en/%D7%97%D7%99%22%D7%AA

"חי"ת
Het (eighth letter of Hebrew alphabet) ; Het-shaped (three sides of a rectangle)"  (Source)


I am researching this.  I have a feeling that in ancient Hebrew, the T and H were mixed like we have it in Arabic.  For example, SALAT, ZAKAT, OSAMAT (my name) all have the T not only silent, but it is pronounced as H.

I'll see what I can come up with.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

Brother Osama regards to the site Do It In Hebrew, I tried it vice versa, I typed in Ahmed in English to Hebrew translation. It is correct I do not know why they changed it from Hebrew to english to be "I will."

So go ahead try this method by typing in Ahmed and translating English to Hebrew, it is indeed correct.

[adilriaz123]

Regards to in Hebrew T and H being mixed up, brother this wouldn't really be surprising after all both languages are semitic languages who have the same root and background. This is what I understood from the different translations like Atmad and Ahmed notice the T and the H, as u said it urself that in acient Hebrew they probably didn't differentiate it.

[adilriaz123]

But the true significance is that of the dalet and how it resembles the kaf. That is what really changes Athmch to Ahmed.

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun alaikum dear brother

Isaiah 53 is a part of the Four Servant Songs. Isaiah 42 is the first part of it. According to scholars the servant songs speak of the same servant. Isaiah 42 speaks of a glorified servant while Isaiah 53 speaks of a suffering servant. Can you show how Prophet Muhammad is the Suffering Servant of God?

Thank you

[QuranSearchCom]

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Mohamed,

I am not sure that Isaiah 53 is about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  May be the brothers here have a different opinion with better proofs, but the Old Testament made Prophesies about two Servants and not just one.  And the New Testament further confirms this with the Jews asking John the Baptist on whether he was the awaited Messiah or the awaited Prophet.  You can read all about it at:

www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Dr Tazeen]

Jazakullah khair Brother...

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun alaikum dear brother Osama

What exactly is the duty of the Messiah?

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother and sister,

Brother Mohamed I will look into Isaiah 53 later, gotta take things one step at a time. Inshallah when I make work in regards to it I will post it here brother. I never looked at Isaiah 53 critically so I don't know much about it.

Regards to job of a Messiah is very simple, the Messiah will come at the time of termoil and he will defeat the anti Christ dajjal. This is what Jews and Muslims believe that job of a Messiah is that sort of like a hero. But Christian's completely blow it out of proportion and make it into something that it isn't.

[adilriaz123]

I was looking into Isaiah 53, it is very sporadic, at times it sounds like the Christian form of Jesus and other times it sounds like prophet Muhammad pbuh. But here is something interesting I uncovered in Isaiah 52.


Isaiah 52:15 New International Version
"so he will sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand."

Here is where it gets interesting:


New Living Translation
"And he will startle many nations. Kings will stand speechless in his presence. For they will see what they had not been told; they will understand what they had not heard about."

we can see it in more translations:

International Standard Version
"so will he startle many nations. Kings will shut their mouths at him; for what had not been told them they will see, and what they had not heard they will understand."



King James 2000 Bible
"So shall he startle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider."



Now if you know the Context of life of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, he was commanded by God almighty to send letters to the nations to let them know of the message. Some of the Nations shut up and followed, while others who fought were left speechless.

Famous words of King Herculius: 'O Byzantines! If success is your desire and you seek the correct guidance, and wish for your empire to remain, then give a pledge of allegiance to this Prophet (i.e. embrace Islam).'


Abu Sufyaan then added: 'When Heraclius had finished his speech and had read the letter, there was a great cry in the Royal Court. So we were turned out of the court. I told my companions that the question of Ibn Abu Kabshah (i.e., Prophet Muhammad) had become so prominent that even the King of Al-Asfar (Byzantine) was afraid of him. Then I began being certain that he (i.e. the Prophet) would be a victorious conqueror in the near future, until I embraced Islam (i.e. Allah guided me to it)."

A sub-narrator added: "Ibn An-Naathoor was the governor of Jerusalem and Heraclius was the head of the Christians of Shaam; both of them were Christian scholars who were well learned regarding their religion. Ibn An-Naathoor narrated that once, while Heraclius was visiting Jerusalem, he woke up one morning depressed and in a bad mood. Some of his priests asked him why he was in such a mood. Heraclius was a foreteller and an astrologer; he replied: 'At night, when I looked at the stars, I saw that the leader of those who practice circumcision had appeared (i.e., become conquerors). Who are these people who practice circumcision?' The priests replied: 'Nobody except the Jews practice circumcision, so you should not be afraid of them (the Jews). Just issue orders to kill every Jew present in the country.'

While they were discussing this, a messenger sent by the king of Ghassaan to convey the news of Allah's messenger to Heraclius was brought in. Having heard the news, he (i.e. Heraclius) ordered the people to go and see whether the messenger sent by Ghassaan was circumcised. The people, after seeing him, told Heraclius that he was indeed circumcised. Heraclius then asked him about the Arabs in general. The messenger replied: 'The Arabs also practice circumcision.'

After hearing this, Heraclius remarked that sovereignty of the Arabs had appeared. Heraclius then wrote a letter to his friend in Rome who was as knowledgeable as Heraclius. Heraclius then left, heading towards Hims (a town in Syria) and stayed there until he received the reply to a letter that he had sent to one of his friends inquiring about the emergence of the Prophet – his friend agreed with him that this was indeed the emergence of a true Prophet. With that, Heraclius invited all the heads of the Byzantines to assemble in his palace at Hims. When they assembled, he ordered that all the doors of his palace be closed. Then, he emerged and said: 'O Byzantines! If success is your desire and you seek the correct guidance, and wish for your empire to remain, then give a pledge of allegiance to this Prophet (i.e. embrace Islam).'

(On hearing the views of Heraclius) the people ran towards the gates of the palace like wild beasts, but found the doors closed. Heraclius then realised their hatred of Islam, and when he lost hope of their embracing Islam, he ordered that they be brought back to him. (When they returned) he said: 'What I said was only to test the strength of your conviction about your religion, and I have seen it.' The people then prostrated before him and were delighted by him, and so this was the end of Heraclius's story (regarding his faith.)” [Al-Bukhari]

 

http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/163389/



 As we all know that King Heraclius wanted to become Muslim but his greed got in the way. But in his heart he did believe Islam was the true religion since he being a king and a scholar of his religion he knew of passages that guided him and the dream that he received from God almighty about a circumcised messenger.

Ibn al-Qayyim mentions in Zaad al-Ma’aad (3/694) that when Heraclius heard news of the Negus becoming Muslim, he said: “By Allaah, were it not for the sake of holding on to my kingdom, I would have done what he has done.”

None of these kings believed except for the first Negus, the king of Abyssinia (Ethiopia), and the king of ‘Ammaan and his brother.



so we can see how prophet Muhammad fulfills the prophecy of the Isaiah 52:15 and the Isaiah 42.  but Isaiah 53 is rely hard to understand because jesus was not tortured to the point that he was not recognizable, so who could this have been? If you look at who suffered more in life, that clearly is prophet Muhammad pbuh, who was stoned, attacked, pierced by arrow and etc... While prophet jesus IF we accept the crucifiction happened without the regard of actual dying for our sin. even then the suffering was only once and severe. Now regards if Jesus pbuh was held in "low esteem" as God said in Isaiah 53, this cannot be jesus pbuh, because there was absolutely no point where God ever mentioning Jesus being held in "low esteem" by God's perspective.

The Only Prophet that I can think of that this COULD have been talking about is Jonah. Since Jonah did become mingled and was unrecognizable because the stomach acid of the whale melting his skin and he could have been held low esteem by God for leaving his people that he was sent to. But this does not fit Jesus nor Prophet Muhammad pbuh because both are held in the HIGHEST of esteem by God almighty.

[adilriaz123]

I will look into this further and document it. also note that the topic of Suffering and Glory of the Servants starts at Isaiah 52:13(https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+52&version=NIV), Thus it is possible that I am right about this and Isaiah 53 could be about prophet Muhammad pbuh. However there are things in Isaiah 53 that can seem problematic.

[Dawud]

we have already visualised this before

[QuranSearchCom]

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Dawud.  Great work, akhi.  Tonight insha'Allah, I am going to go through your posts and copy your precious images to this site to permanently preserve them, insha'Allah.  I am going to RE-LINK all of your images to this website, insha'Allah.  This way we don't have to worry about them ever getting erased or lost as long as this website remains alive, insha'Allah.  I am way behind on doing this.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother Dawud, I was not aware that u did this already. However, I will do some work on rest of Isaiah 42 and what I just descovered in Isaiah 52:15 in the earlier post. I think we should work towards completely dissecting chapters of Isaiah to show how many times there was a mention of prophet Muhammad pbuh by Isaiah.

[adilriaz123]

Also bro can u link me to that work of yours, I noticed that u didn't identify the that the earlier word that u changed the kaf to a dalet. U showed the original word with vowels and and kaf and then converted it made the word without vowels and with dalet, but didn't identify the changes that u had to make. The characteristics between the 2 letters, in the work u showed above. Which is why I want to look at ur entire work so I would know next time what we already descovered and what is new that I have found.

[QuranSearchCom]

Brother Dawud, do you have your image files in MS-DOC or HTML or any text file?  I would like to link these files under your images for search engines to pick them up, and for also readers to be able to find them when they research for certain texts.

Jazaka Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Dawud]

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Dawud.  Great work, akhi.  Tonight insha'Allah, I am going to go through your posts and copy your precious images to this site to permanently preserve them, insha'Allah.  I am going to RE-LINK all of your images to this website, insha'Allah.  This way we don't have to worry about them ever getting erased or lost as long as this website remains alive, insha'Allah.  I am way behind on doing this.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Great 

[Dawud]

Asalam ul laykum brother Dawud, I was not aware that u did this already. However, I will do some work on rest of Isaiah 42 and what I just descovered in Isaiah 52:15 in the earlier post. I think we should work towards completely dissecting chapters of Isaiah to show how many times there was a mention of prophet Muhammad pbuh by Isaiah.

this is also done already, visualised of course

Osama take all these photos and put the on the site









Muhammad in the Bible detailed analysis in Old testament and New testament

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother Dawud, firstly is this all ur work? Secondly, if it is hats off to u brother great job mashallah. May Allah reward you for this effort.

Also is it ok with you that when I get my own Islamic site started by ur permission I can include your work their, do not worry I will make sure you are references there but make sure u give ur full name with that work.

Lastly, u said u already visualised that, but however I found no work in reference to isaiah 52:15, if u have plz direct me towards it, I did try my best to go through ur work through however I could have missed it. Let me know. Since I already found that reference in Isaiah 52:15 and showed in previous post how it confirms prophet Muhammad pbuh, I will make that into a Doc.

Jazakallah kyar brother.

[Dawud]

Asalam ul laykum brother Dawud, firstly is this all ur work? Secondly, if it is hats off to u brother great job mashallah. May Allah reward you for this effort.

Also is it ok with you that when I get my own Islamic site started by ur permission I can include your work their, do not worry I will make sure you are references there but make sure u give ur full name with that work.

Lastly, u said u already visualised that, but however I found no work in reference to isaiah 52:15, if u have plz direct me towards it, I did try my best to go through ur work through however I could have missed it. Let me know. Since I already found that reference in Isaiah 52:15 and showed in previous post how it confirms prophet Muhammad pbuh, I will make that into a Doc.

Jazakallah kyar brother.

Asalam ul laykum brother Dawud, firstly is this all ur work?

yes photos are my work, while text are mostly copied form different sites and forums after analyzing in orginal text and translating everything to be sure what is going on.

Also is it ok with you that when I get my own Islamic site started by ur permission I can include your work their, do not worry I will make sure you are references there but make sure u give ur full name with that work.

bro dont ask, just copy...i am doing this so people can spread this info to many people so they know they truth.

Lastly, u said u already visualised that, but however I found no work in reference to isaiah 52:15, if u have plz direct me towards it, I did try my best to go through ur work through however I could have missed it. Let me know. Since I already found that reference in Isaiah 52:15 and showed in previous post how it confirms prophet Muhammad pbuh, I will make that into a Doc.

i have not analyzed that, only Isaiah 42

if you want to analyze 52:15 and present your findings here, then we all can also analyze your findings to see what the verses are talking about.

[adilriaz123]

Also brother, I noticed u didn't include that what I mentioned in my work, regards to similarities between kaf and dalet. The rest of the work isn't related to the same subject.  Nevertheless it is quite impressive work, but u have to make it clear regards to how u came up with Ahmed, that there is a need to change the kaf to dalet since it was a deliberate or coincidental mistake by the early scholars. U should definitely mention in the first part how kaf and dalet are related.

[Dawud]

Also brother, I noticed u didn't include that what I mentioned in my work, regards to similarities between kaf and dalet. The rest of the work isn't related to the same subject.  Nevertheless it is quite impressive work, but u have to make it clear regards to how u came up with Ahmed, that there is a need to change the kaf to dalet since it was a deliberate or coincidental mistake by the early scholars. U should definitely mention in the first part how kaf and dalet are related.

brother i used your explanation and copied it in the same photo



now you can use this photo beacuse it contains everything.

[Dawud]

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun Alaikum dear brother

The Servant songs (also called the Servant poems or the Songs of the Suffering Servant) are songs in the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible. They were first identified by Bernhard Duhm in his 1892 commentary on Isaiah. The songs are four poems written about a certain "Servant of God." God calls the servant to lead the nations, but the servant is horribly abused among them. In the end, he is rewarded.

Some scholars regard Isaiah 61:1-3 as a fifth servant song, although the word "servant" is not mentioned in the passage.

According to the majority of Hebrew scholars they speak of one and the same servant.

My point here is that if Isaiah 42 is about Prophet Muhammad then the rest of the song is also about him. We just need to dig even more and find out.

The below are the reference to the Four Servant Songs

Isaiah 42:1-9
Isaiah 49:1-12
Isaiah 50:4-9
Isaiah 52-53

The Christian interpretation of the Suffering Servant is not valid since they believe in atoning for sins of others. We need a Jewish interpretation.  Below is a link to a Jewish site. It explains the suffering servant and also prove that Christ is not the suffering servant.

http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge?filter-search=&filter-types=&filter-document-type=&filter-topics=suffering-servant&filter-featured=&filter-sort=&filter-sort-order=

The site is called Jews for Judaism

[Albarra]

I don't get it. Christians don't really know who was Ahmed.

For instance, if I ask a pastor about Ahmed in the Bible, the pastor doesn't understand what I'm talking about.
 

[adilriaz123]

Assalamun Alaikum dear brother

The Servant songs (also called the Servant poems or the Songs of the Suffering Servant) are songs in the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible. They were first identified by Bernhard Duhm in his 1892 commentary on Isaiah. The songs are four poems written about a certain "Servant of God." God calls the servant to lead the nations, but the servant is horribly abused among them. In the end, he is rewarded.

Some scholars regard Isaiah 61:1-3 as a fifth servant song, although the word "servant" is not mentioned in the passage.

According to the majority of Hebrew scholars they speak of one and the same servant.

My point here is that if Isaiah 42 is about Prophet Muhammad then the rest of the song is also about him. We just need to dig even more and find out.

The below are the reference to the Four Servant Songs

Isaiah 42:1-9
Isaiah 49:1-12
Isaiah 50:4-9
Isaiah 52-53

The Christian interpretation of the Suffering Servant is not valid since they believe in atoning for sins of others. We need a Jewish interpretation.  Below is a link to a Jewish site. It explains the suffering servant and also prove that Christ is not the suffering servant.

http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge?filter-search=&filter-types=&filter-document-type=&filter-topics=suffering-servant&filter-featured=&filter-sort=&filter-sort-order=

The site is called Jews for Judaism

What u are mentioning sounds like should be looked more into. I will do some research on this. However, we know 1 thibg, it Definitly isn't Jesus, here is why:http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/why-do-jews-reject-the-christian-claim-that-qand-his-grave-was-set-with-the-wickedq/

[adilriaz123]

Also remember brother the Isaiah 52:15 and Isaiah 42:1 could be talking about the same servant. Also it is important to note that there may be many MISINTERPRETATIONS that are the reason why it seems. Abscure the identity of this Servant of God, but Isaiah 42:1 mentions the name Ahmed, so there is Much higher chance that Isaiah may be talking much more about prophet Muhammad pbuh, also important to note the earlier link shows how it cannot be Jesus.

[Mohamed Saif]

Yes brother we have a big fan l research to be done.

[AMuslimDude213]

This is only a claim Butzdenn,nothing has been refuted just screams without analyzing the text in Hebrew,just like Christians like about the word Echad to prove the unholy satanic Trinity.

[Butzdenn]

ACTUALLY, Refuted bec it has no grain of truth in it. You cannot just go replacing any letter just bec you think it should! The fact that the bible is incorruptible refutes the claim! Jesus is the last prophet!

[Syedsamad]

Jesus is the last PROPHET ?

[Albarra]

Jesus is the last PROPHET ?

No, Muhammad (SAWS) was the lat prophet, but Jesus (SAWS) will come to earth before the end of Judgment.

[submit]

Jesus was the last prophet for the covenant with Israelites. With a message about Ahmad. Hence why People of the Book were anticipating his arrival in Arabia.

[Idris]

As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I see that this subject is refreshed somehow by our brothers. Good!

As some brothers here already know, I'am doing a very comprehensive work on this topic (Isaiah 42 = Servant Ahmed etc.). But I'am not sure when - or if ever - I will finish this project since it requires a lot of research, and for just one person is unfortunatelly too much!

To make a really good work on this subject, one must be patient and carreful in his study. No offend, but for me it is not appropriate to claim that we have an „ASTONICHING EVIDENCE of AHMED mentioned in DEAD SEA SCROLLS IN HEBREW” etc. without a scholarly references and profesional approach. If you want to publish a truly good work on this matter, then join me! All we will get a benefit insha'Allah 

Generally speaking, I have all needed lectures that are required to study Isaiah and other prophecies, but I'am looking about a trusted people who can engage with me into this project. I have formulated instruction in regards to what details and hints we should pay attention, and what info must be taken into our account.

Dear brother submit, as I remarked you have an universal knowledge, and your arguments are quite clear and logic. Brother adilriaz123, your reasoning are also fine and nice. The same with brother Dawud. Masha'Allah! Also, sometime ago, when I posted my research in Isaiah 42:10, one brother was vigorously participating with us in discussion and have done a really good job. I don't remember exactly his nickname in this blog. If I'am not mistaken he is called „Tahuma/Tahmeem” or something like that ? Well, would you like to cooperate with me brothers ? Together we will create a team that extensively focus on biblical prophecies about Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)! We have a big chance to make a masterpiece book, the best work on this issue ever produced by Muslims.

Ahmed

[Mohamed Saif]

Brother Idris I would love to join you on your work. We are almost like an undefeatable army.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris and the rest of the brothers and sisters,

Welcome back dear brother.  Brother if you need any help financially for your research (ordering books, publications, etc...), then please let me know.  Through Paypal it can be wired to you in a matter of minutes.

I love your work, dear brother Idris, and I know you come up with amazing quality research.  So if it's costly from this aspect, then we can seal this one, Insha'Allah.

I am sorry for falling behind on getting back to you on your other enquiry.  I got busy akhi, as always.  I look forward Insha'Allah for your hard work's and research's fruits.  I am sure they will be amzing, Insha'Allah.

Jazaka Allah Khayr, akhi.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum dear brother Idris, brother jazakallah for ur such scholarly efforts. Yes if you want me to join ur efforts please let me know. But brother this evidence is only a summary. It is as a starting point to intrigue people to look at the evidence further. It is absolutely not a complete evidence, since u have gone through so much investigation, I would love to support ur efforts and love to use some of ur material for my website brother. I will send you my email via Private Message. Also brother I only claim to make this Document and the method of presenting I used, however, I also refer to ur name and posts to show who ever challenges this work. I always give u will credit for this investigation.

jazakallah again for ur efforts. 

[TruthExposer777]

Check my private msgs bro

Asalam ul laykum dear brother Idris, brother jazakallah for ur such scholarly efforts. Yes if you want me to join ur efforts please let me know. But brother this evidence is only a summary. It is as a starting point to intrigue people to look at the evidence further. It is absolutely not a complete evidence, since u have gone through so much investigation, I would love to support ur efforts and love to use some of ur material for my website brother. I will send you my email via Private Message. Also brother I only claim to make this Document and the method of presenting I used, however, I also refer to ur name and posts to show who ever challenges this work. I always give u will credit for this investigation.

jazakallah again for ur efforts.

[Idris]

As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

thank you dear brother Mohamed Saif for join me. I'am glad to hear that.
Also, thank you for proposing to me financial help dear brother Osama, I will tell you insha'Allah when I will need it, and thank you for appreciating my work. Dear brother adilriaz123, thank you that you want to join me, but the materials cannot be used until we finish the work, that is when it will be publish in a form of a book. I was thinking to publish first some short edition of this book and in meanwhile the material will be expanded by adding new findings and comments! All matters are to be consulted with each other. Anyway, I hope that brother Osama will also join us, since there are extremely valuable info from Arabic sources that must be translated. Brother Osama, I will send you an important lectures when you will decide to join our team. Moreover, there is a digital library we must to get access in that contains a very, very interesting books! Many people are not even aware of it.

Also, does anyone know where is brother Tahmeed/Tahmeem ? He almost certainly will join us also. What is the answer of brother submit… would you like to join me and the rest of brothers ?

Jazakoum Allah khayran!
Ahmed (Poland)

[adilriaz123]

Walakum salam rahmatulillahi wabarakatihu thanks brother Idris, ok brother i wont use any of the material until u give the Ok. Brother, can i still keep the work that i published on my website. Even though i made the document it was you who originally discovered it.

[adilriaz123]

Indeed brother Idris, this is quite the ground breaking discovery. I will do my best to help ur efforts brother. May allah swt reward u. Inshallah.

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother submit, indeed that is correct that is correct the people of the Book/Scripture were indeed waiting for a prophet to come, infact we have evidence in sahih bukhair:

Narrated Ata bin Yasar:

I met Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As and asked him, "Tell me about the description of Allah's Apostle which is mentioned in Torah (i.e. Old Testament.") He replied, 'Yes. By Allah, he is described in Torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in the Quran as follows:
"O Prophet ! We have sent you as a witness (for Allah's True religion) And a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers), And a warner (to the unbelievers) And guardian of the illiterates. You are My slave and My messenger (i.e. Apostle). I have named you "Al-Mutawakkil" (who depends upon Allah). You are neither discourteous, harsh Nor a noise-maker in the markets And you do not do evil to those Who do evil to you, but you deal With them with forgiveness and kindness. Allah will not let him (the Prophet) Die till he makes straight the crooked people by making them say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah," With which will be opened blind eyes And deaf ears and enveloped hearts."(Sahih Bukhari 3:335)

If notice all the things that Abdullah ibn Salam formerly known as Al-Husayn ibn Salam. Quoted summaries from verses of Isaiah 42.

Infact, we already know that they were awaiting of 3 people, among them was a coming prophet.

[Idris]

Walakum salam rahmatulillahi wabarakatihu thanks brother Idris, ok brother i wont use any of the material until u give the Ok. Brother, can i still keep the work that i published on my website. Even though i made the document it was you who originally discovered it.

Wa Alaikum As'salam, which work of mine you meant that you have published in your website?

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother Idris, originally it was u who discovered Ahmed in hebrew word they used in Isaiah 42:1 for "Whom I Uphold" i was wondering that i could still keep the work that i documented as the Astonishing evidence Ahmed in Hebrew DSS. Whatever work we are able to uncover together as a team i wont publish until we finish the research completely then i will add the material to my site once u r ok with it.

Btw brother i gave u my email address in ur pm inbox whatever work u want me to help u analyze, plz let me know jazakallah.

[QuranSearchCom]

.....Anyway, I hope that brother Osama will also join us, since there are extremely valuable info from Arabic sources that must be translated. Brother Osama, I will send you an important lectures when you will decide to join our team. Moreover, there is a digital library we must to get access in that contains a very, very interesting books! Many people are not even aware of it.

Also, does anyone know where is brother Tahmeed/Tahmeem ? He almost certainly will join us also. What is the answer of brother submit… would you like to join me and the rest of brothers ?

Jazakoum Allah khayran!
Ahmed (Poland)

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Idris,

Please count me in.  I will be happy to help in the translation of the Arabic materials into English.  Just assign me the task, akhi.  Insha'Allah, I will do my utmost best this time to be prompt with my delivery.  Also, any financial burden I will carry.  Whatever you need from money to order any material, just let me know insha'Allah.  I will even use the brothers' and sisters' donations to my Paypal account to help in this.  This way, everyone can contribute, insha'Allah.

As to brothers Tahmeed and Submit, they are each in their rings.  Just rub the rings with your finger and they'll pop up with mighty smokes from their rings .  I will email them .

Jazaka Allah Khayr.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun alaikum dear brothers

I'm actually so excited that we are going to do this. Come me in. This is my email address : saifmohamed1996@gmail.com

[Idris]

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I'am sure of which work you are talking brother adilriaz123, but it was not me who discovered Ahmed in DSS, but a brother named Abd'Allah ben 'Isa El 'Abd al-Jabbar from almaseh.net. He published his Arabic work in pdf which inspired me and encouraged me to do my own research, so I developed it extensively. Alhamdulillah!

OK dear brother adirliaz123, thank you I will let you know brother insha'Allah

Thank you dear brother Osama for joining us, I really appreciate it. One brother from Poland has already now joined me and probably he will be the co-author of the book insha'Allah, since he declared his full engagement in this work. I decided that the book will be published first as a shorter edition (and it will be expanded in the meantime through consequence of our ongoing and systematic research). Originally it will be written in Polish language, but it will be immediately translated into English so then you can help our project financially dear akhi Osama As for now we must be an organized team. Brother Osama, I will assign you the task of translating Arabic texts. Since the book is based almost solely on English literature and the Arabic texts will be also translated directly into English, you don't have to worry about retranslating aspect, all the materials will be already prepared for English edition of this book and only some small material will left to translating process (usually my comments from the Polish version, but also a valuable comments from a rare Polish Rabbi). Some Judeo-Arabic rabbinical texts will be decoded by me to strict Arabic tongue and after that you will translate them into English.

Also, as I've said before, there is especially one digital library that we must to get access in and I believe that brother Osama and other brothers will help in this matter (I will write to you via email or in private box). This website contains all of the rest of publication we need to our study.

In my work, Isaiah 42 plays an important role, it is like a central theme from which I connect all the most significant prophecies. But since Isaiah 53 is one of the most difficult from all passages, I propose to begin study with this one. Believe me, what I have found during my research is an absolutely confirmation that Isaiah 52:13-53:12 indeed is speaking about Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) and not about Jesus (pbuh). And Allah knows Best ! Anyway, I have gathered the best critical literature on this particular prophecy. When we are united as a team, and by following those instructions of mine, we have perhaps the only chance to provide a definite proof of who is the Suffering Servant.

I have a question: does somebody knows Abu Zakariya from manyprophetsonemessage.org ? Is he present in this forum ?

As to brothers Tahmeed and submit, I didn't noticed their response, but I hope they are in "their rings" and ready to help

Dear brother Mohamed Saif, thank you for joining into the team. I will contact you insha'Allah through your email.

Brothers, I thought that maybe it will be much better and comfortable to us to open some „secret group” in Facebook and discuss there the issue, otherwise I have to write to everyone of you individually which is cumbersome a little bit!

Ahmed (Poland)

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum dear brother Idris, sounds good brother. I actually just recently opened a facebook account with my website name. So count me in, regards to having a reserved group in facebook for this study. jazakallah.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris and all brothers and sisters reading,

Great akhi.  I look forward to it, Insha'Allah.  This will be one big breakthrough, Insha'Allah, dear brothers and sisters, and I am in it 100% Insha'Allah.

I emailed brothers Tahmeed and Submit on their personal emails and also on this forum.  Insha'Allah, they'll reply soon.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Idris]

As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

thank you once again dear brother Osama! Since, we are approaching the blessed month of Ramadan, I prefer to leave aside our study on biblical prophecies until Ramadan will end. The reason is because I really would like to concentrate on my fasting, reciting the Quran, doing nafila prayer and other worshiping duties if Allah will give permission. We have only one special month in the whole year, so lets take an advantage of it.

I will send you, and also to brother adilriaz123 and Mohamed Saif the link to my FB profile so to be prepared insha'Allah when I will open a group for our discussion on the topic. Also, please inform brother submit and Tahmeed, and brother Dawud that they are invited to join my team and I would like to contact them also per FB as well ad you brother Osama.
After opening the group insha'Allah, all the needed materials will be published in pdf to download (depending on the actual subject and section we will working on).

Ahmed (Poland)

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

I just deleted my test post about attachments.  It's too much to maintain.  Nevermind it.  I deleted the post.

Yes akhi Idris.  Insha'Allah after Ramadan.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for being considerate to the Holy Month.  I look forward to your PDF, dear brother Idris.  For the brothers that may not have Facebook, you can also use Google Drive to post any attachment.  I myself have never used facebook for attachments .  So I'll have to learn this.

My facebook account is QuranSearchCom (www.facebook.com/QuranSearchCom).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

asalam ul laykum rahmatullahi wabarakatihu indeed brothers I think that is the right call to wait till after the holy month. Afterall our obligations to Allah swt always come first, even though we r doing this for the sake of Allah swt, indeed obligations always come first, thanks brother Idris and brother Osama. jazakallah.

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun alaikum dear brothers

So basically we will officially start this work after the month of Ramadan. Brother Idris are we only going to study the book of Isaiah or are we going to decode all the prophecies of Prophet Muhammad starting from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelations?  Since many Christians falsely attribute some prophecies of Prophet Muhammad to Prophet Jesus.

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother Mohamed Saif, brother Idris talked about first and foremost decoding the entire chapter of Isaiah. Since his book will be based on the discoveries in Isaiah, in beginning we are only going to stick with that. Then I don't know maybe in the future look at other chapters. Since Chapters of Isaiah are the strongest piece of evidence regards to prophecy about prophet Muhammad pbuh it only makes sense to start there. Who knows if this turns out to be very successful, we might end up working on other chapters as well. I believe this research as brother Idris said is going to take time due to the Fact that we are going to be looking at the text in their original languages and lectures, and some rare literature from a safe guarded library that brother Idris was talking about getting access to.

[Idris]

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Yes dear brother, I decided that we will start our study after Ramadan insha'Allah. And yes, preliminarily I want to do a research upon all the most important prophecies related to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), but Isaiah 42 will be set as a central section from which we connect other prophecies. DSS materials also are to be included in our studies. Even apocryphal writings sometimes will be used. I have a huge e-book library with many valuable historical and scholarly publications.

Now, we will be in contact through FB

Ahmed

[Albarra]

As-Salamun alaikum brother Idris (Ahmed),

Are you living in Poland? Is it true that Muslims cannot build a new mosque, right? 

[Mohamed Saif]

Assalamun Alaikum dear brother Idris

Is Zechariah 12:10 related to Isaiah 53? It speaks of someone being pearced.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Mohamed,

Please visit:  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Awww.answering-christianity.com+ Zechariah 12:10

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum brother Osama, as u mentioned the reference regarding banned from bible and some of the works bejng banned among them was a one that is about Jesus standing next to the cross and laughing. It actually comes from the Gnostic Gospel apocolypse of Thomas, where Jesus pbuh proclaims that itbwas Simon Peter who bore the cross and not him. But actually in the current bible there is MUCH MUCH more powerful evidence against crucifixion. That is:

Luke 24:
36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

This passage contridicts everything about crucifixion. Then the other passages after these verses, Luke is trying to convince the viewer about him rising from third day, however this whole passage in contridicting. Because how can he rise or be as a spirit when he says clearly he is flesh and is eating with them.

[adilriaz123]

P.s. this also proves that disciples were not there durinf the alleged crucifixion.

[QuranSearchCom]

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Adil,

Jazaka Allah Khayr, akhi.  Indeed, the crucifixion is a lie.  They speak from conjecture.  Great points dear brother.  I have added your link to this thread:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2428.msg12648.html#msg12648

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Tahmeed]

.....Anyway, I hope that brother Osama will also join us, since there are extremely valuable info from Arabic sources that must be translated. Brother Osama, I will send you an important lectures when you will decide to join our team. Moreover, there is a digital library we must to get access in that contains a very, very interesting books! Many people are not even aware of it.

Also, does anyone know where is brother Tahmeed/Tahmeem ? He almost certainly will join us also. What is the answer of brother submit… would you like to join me and the rest of brothers ?

Jazakoum Allah khayran!
Ahmed (Poland)

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Idris,

Please count me in.  I will be happy to help in the translation of the Arabic materials into English.  Just assign me the task, akhi.  Insha'Allah, I will do my utmost best this time to be prompt with my delivery.  Also, any financial burden I will carry.  Whatever you need from money to order any material, just let me know insha'Allah.  I will even use the brothers' and sisters' donations to my Paypal account to help in this.  This way, everyone can contribute, insha'Allah.

As to brothers Tahmeed and Submit, they are each in their rings.  Just rub the rings with your finger and they'll pop up with mighty smokes from their rings .  I will email them .

Jazaka Allah Khayr.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Assalamu alaikum brother Osama and Idris,

It feels greal to write here after a like time!

Well brother, I am literally in a ring like bro Osama said but the Jinee is having difficulties popping up!!! My HSC exam just finished and my 'Admission war' just began brothers. I would really really like to join you but I am currently buried in studies. I will inshaAllah have a lot of free times after my University admission. Till then, please pray for me. May Allah bless you and wipe out your sins for the great service you are doing to Islam.

Tahmeed

[Idris]

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh dear brother Tahmeed and others,

Jazaka Allah khayran for joining me akhi, I have send a message to you in private box. May Allah bless you too. We are waiting for you!

Ahmed

[QuranSearchCom]

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Tahmeed,

Welcome back dear brother.  May Allah Almighty bless you and help you with your studies and life.  Ameen.  Insha'Allah, you will have a bright career and future ahead of you, akhi.  Ameen .

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[muslimforever2012]

lol guys just see what happens if I translate אתמך to english in Google Translate:

[muslimforever2012]

oops the image doesnt work just right click it and click open in new tab.

[Mohamed Saif]

It says "you are dumb"

[adilriaz123]

Asalam ul laykum, use SDL Translation. and use the word with the dalet u will see it is Ahmed.

[muslimforever2012]

Ok, so since Ramadan is finished (Masha Allah time flew quickly) can you please tell me what you are going to do in this project, and if I can be of any use?.......

[Idris]

I don't know, as for now I do not received any answer from brother Osama, therefore I can't tell.

[muslimforever2012]

You should also take a look at this Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_the_Bible).