Lactose intolerance/Cows milk in the Quran... refutable? clear contradiction?

[iknowi]

"In livestock, too, you have a lesson- We give you a drink from the contents of their bellies, between waste matter and blood, pure milk, sweet to the drinker". [16:66] Abdul Haleem translation.

https://m.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/gy0ws/a_response_as_promised_to_grammar_error_in_the/

"Did you notice that your Allah (swt) did not know that there are so many humans that are lactose intolerant. Let that idea sink in for a moment, oh the irony, it burns. your imaginary friend that created the universe and all the people did not know that there are some humans that have lactose intolerant digestive systems.

also, science and history provide a better and more eloquent explanation for the milk production system and the evolution of cattle and their mammary glands.

I will also note that raw milk is medically unsafe for consumption and that's why there's a pasteurization process. Before pasteurization, cattle milk was rife with dangerous bacteria. your god does not know anything about the processing of milk.

pure indeed, ideal for harmful bacteria and germs. I would've submitted to this allah, sorry I mean Mohammed's ego, if he had mentioned bacteria or germs in milk or elsewhere".

[AMuslimDude213]

the FIRST lactose person was in 1500-1600,so we know Lactose people aren't really "Lactose" they're just not used to drinking milk.
So yeah,it is only because THEY cannot like keep themselves clean and healed doesn't mean Allah SWT is to blame,You aren't BORN lactose now.

[AhmadFarooq]

According to what I have read, the accepted theory is that all humans used to be lactose intolerant, i.e. after breast feeding is stopped. Some thousands of years ago it was because of a mutation which allowed the LCT gene (which allows for making lactase) to remain turned on and humans were able to continue to consume milk.

The lactase deficiency also could be linked to certain heritages. Seventy-five percent of all African American, Jewish, Mexican American, and Native American adults are lactose intolerant. Analysis of the DNA of 94 ancient skeletons in Europe and Russia concluded that the lactose tolerant mutation appeared about 4,300 years ago and spread throughout the European population.
Different alleles for lactase persistence have developed at least three times in East African populations, with persistence extending from 26% in Tanzania to 88% in the Beja pastoralist population in Sudan.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

Regarding the criticism of the verse, exactly what does the verse has to do with lactose intolerance? This is a straw man fallacy and probably a red herring too. The verse is talking about the blessing of Allah for creating a palatable drink, a drink consumable for humans (these are actually how other translators translate this verse, instead of "sweet to the drinker", source: islamawakened.com/quran/16/66/). From between the impure and disgusting matters such as "waste matter [or excretions] and blood", consumable milk is produced.

The verse isn't claiming that there are no humans in the world for whom milk is non-consumable. Additionally, as it would appear that around 75% of all Jews are lactose intolerant (source: www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/.premium-1.664967, www.momentmag.com/the-biggest-jewish-genetic-myths-of-all-time/), if Prophet Muhammad was making the Qur'an up, he would've known about this intolerance.

[iknowi]

According to what I have read, the accepted theory is that all humans used to be lactose intolerant, i.e. after breast feeding is stopped. Some thousands of years ago it was because of a mutation which allowed the LCT gene (which allows for making lactase) to remain turned on and humans were able to continue to consume milk.

The lactase deficiency also could be linked to certain heritages. Seventy-five percent of all African American, Jewish, Mexican American, and Native American adults are lactose intolerant. Analysis of the DNA of 94 ancient skeletons in Europe and Russia concluded that the lactose tolerant mutation appeared about 4,300 years ago and spread throughout the European population.
Different alleles for lactase persistence have developed at least three times in East African populations, with persistence extending from 26% in Tanzania to 88% in the Beja pastoralist population in Sudan.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

Regarding the criticism of the verse, exactly what does the verse has to do with lactose intolerance? This is a straw man fallacy and probably a red herring too. The verse is talking about the blessing of Allah for creating a palatable drink, a drink consumable for humans (these are actually how other translators translate this verse, instead of "sweet to the drinker", source: islamawakened.com/quran/16/66/). From between the impure and disgusting matters such as "waste matter [or excretions] and blood", consumable milk is produced.

The verse isn't claiming that there are no humans in the world for whom milk is non-consumable. Additionally, as it would appear that around 75% of all Jews are lactose intolerant (source: www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/.premium-1.664967, www.momentmag.com/the-biggest-jewish-genetic-myths-of-all-time/), if Prophet Muhammad was making the Qur'an up, he would've known about this intolerance.

I disagree. I think it does talk about cattle milk being palatable for all mankind when you look at other translations too. And the prophet didnt have access to cows in the desert, only goats and camels (could he wrong on that).

What i noticed is that it's talking about RAW unpasturised milk, this is why Abdul Haleems translation says "pure milk". Raw (pure) cows milk is hard to get, you have to go to a farm if you want it. And unlike the redditor claimed, it's not dangerous to consume raw milk, in fact it is very healthy, the raw milk has good bacteria which is killed in the pasturisation process and this bacteria helps disgest lactose (apparently).

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/03/study-examines-relationship-between-raw-milk/

"But the spokeswoman did cite a survey conducted by the foundation in 2007 that found that 81 percent of Michigan raw milk drinkers who say they were diagnosed with lactose intolerance reported that they did not suffer from symptoms after switching to raw milk."

Note that the study only looked at the affect over 8 days, we dont know if they'd adapt later if they continued:

http://time.com/17483/study-shows-once-and-for-all-that-raw-milk-doesnt-help-lactose-intolerance/

imo it's not conclusive, they've only ever done one proper study on it. There needs to be further research.

[AMuslimDude213]

the "research" is from a non-reliable site,Its only in one site nowhere else have I found that study.

[RoyalMuslim]

and some people cant have meat and sugar lol

[AhmadFarooq]

If I'm not mistaken the verse is talking about livestock and not only about just "cows". And from what I understand, lactose intolerance is not limited to only cow's milk. So it doesn't appear to matter which livestock animals are being specifically talked about.

As far as I have read, raw milk is more dangerous as compared to pasteurized milk.

Sources:
www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/11/raw-milk-myths-busted/#.V81DbJh97Dc
www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm079516.htm

According to the American FDA "Pasteurizing milk DOES NOT cause lactose intolerance and allergic reactions. Both raw milk and pasteurized milk can cause allergic reactions in people sensitive to milk proteins."

In any case, these lactose intolerance studies don't have much to do with which milk is more dangerous. The research, of course, does not appear to be conclusive. There are a number of available criticisms and further research, apparently, is still required; but as far as its reliability is concerned, it was done by a University of Stanford professor, in this particular scenario you pretty much don't get more reliable than that.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Please visit the following links to see the formation of milk Miracle in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/formation_of_milk.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#medicine
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

This Miracle happens to be one of my favorite ones.  The milk is produced from digested food and the BLOOD!  The Quran claimed it and science has confirmed it.  See the scientific articles that I quoted.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Saudi Salafi]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Please visit the following links to see the formation of milk Miracle in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/formation_of_milk.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#medicine
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

This Miracle happens to be one of my favorite ones.  The milk is produced from digested food and the BLOOD!  The Quran claimed it and science has confirmed it.  See the scientific articles that I quoted.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

YUP! Osama Abdallah can't do anything but post his "scientific miracles". Anyways, what is meant by "pure" is pure from the cow blood. A similar question was asked in a fatwa.


www.islamweb.net الشبكة الإسلامية

 

 Question Number: 2627678
 Question:
  Assalamu alaikum, My question is regarding verse 16:66. In it, it states that milk is pure. But scientific studies show that raw milk can be very dangerous and that it contains some bacteria which can cause dangerous infections. Raw milk has some very good benefits, but it still has many harmful things in it. Authobillah, I have met some kafirs who stated that this was a mistake in the Quran. What is your response to this? Baraka Allah fikkum.
 Reply:
 All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, is His slave and Messenger.
Allaah says (what means): {And indeed, for you in grazing livestock is a lesson. We give you drink from what is in their bellies - between excretion and blood - pure milk, palatable to drinkers.} [Quran 16:66]
The Quran speaks in this verse about a great Sign, that the milk is free from any harm or dirt found in the blood or in the excrement.
Tafseer at-Tabari reads:
Allaah says (what means): {…between excretion and blood - pure milk…} [Quran 16:66]; meaning: We give you to drink milk, and We get it out for you from between blood and excretion pure; He says: it is free from mixing with blood and excretion; {palatable to drinkers} Allaah says that it is suitable for whoever drinks it, so a person does not choke on it as he chokes when eating some other food, and it was said: that no one ever chokes by drinking milk.” [End of quote]
Besides, Tafseer al-Baghawi reads: “Pure milk, from blood and excretion, and it does not have the color of blood or the smell of excretions, palatable to the drinkers, smooth and easy in going down the throat. It was also said: “No one has ever choked by drinking milk. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “When the animal eats animal feed and it settles in its stomach, and it digests it, underneath it there is excretion and in the middle is milk, and on the top is the blood; the liver controls it and divides it with the Decree of Allaah, so the blood flows in the veins and the milk in the udder and the excretion stays as it is.” [End of quote]
The verse does not negate all harms from milk; rather, the verse did not speak about this at all, so the alleged mistake does not exist.
What some contemporaries claim –if it is scientifically proven – can be removed by pasteurization and the like.
Allaah Knows best.

[QuranSearchCom]

Obviously when the Glorious Quran talks to salafies, It talks to dead walls.  The fact that Allah Almighty Said that the creation of WHITE MILK comes from BLOOD (red blood to the naked eye) does indeed sound ridiculous and false to the average disbeliever.  But yet, it's been scientifically confirmed to be True.

Do your readings go straight to your rear end from your eyes?  Doesn't any of this sound like True Scientific Notions and Miracles in your Holy Book?  Like Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar said in response to the Muslims who deny the Scientific Notions and Miracles, and to also the infidels who disbelieve:

Why would Muhammad indulge in such statements and topics???

Think about this before you vomit your next reply.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[iknowi]

Why would Muhammad indulge in such statements and topics???

Think about this before you vomit your next reply.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

That is what always struck me about the Quran, the author is very confident. Extremely confident, in fact. He is continuosly challenging the reader to find faults.

Is Abdullah Almadi a salafi?

[submit]

And indeed, for you in grazing livestock is a lesson. We give you drink from what is in their bellies - between excretion and blood - pure milk, palatable to drinkers. (16:66)

And not alike are the two bodies of water. One is fresh and sweet, palatable for drinking, and one is salty and bitter. And from each you eat tender meat and extract ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships plowing through [them] that you might seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful.(35:12)

The verses describes about the taste to those who drinks. Nothing to do with bacterias that swims in it.

[Saudi Salafi]

Why would Muhammad indulge in such statements and topics???

Think about this before you vomit your next reply.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

That is what always struck me about the Quran, the author is very confident. Extremely confident, in fact. He is continuosly challenging the reader to find faults.

Is Abdullah Almadi a salafi?

 I never called my self a Salafi before. Osama just accused me of being a Salafi. However I  support the Salafi message and its goals. Which is the authentic Sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him) and fighting against innovation.

[Saudi Salafi]

Obviously when the Glorious Quran talks to salafies, It talks to dead walls.  The fact that Allah Almighty Said that the creation of WHITE MILK comes from BLOOD (red blood to the naked eye) does indeed sound ridiculous and false to the average disbeliever.  But yet, it's been scientifically confirmed to be True.

Do your readings go straight to your rear end from your eyes?  Doesn't any of this sound like True Scientific Notions and Miracles in your Holy Book?  Like Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar said in response to the Muslims who deny the Scientific Notions and Miracles, and to also the infidels who disbelieve:

Why would Muhammad indulge in such statements and topics???

Think about this before you vomit your next reply.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 I will discuss this later on in an other thread. My point was that this "scientific miracle" has to do nothing with the question. Everyone else answered the question but you only posted your "scientific miracles".

[QuranSearchCom]

I wasn't trying to just answer the question.  I was expanding the topic and give the Glorious Quran's Miracle in this topic to fortify the Believers' hearts from any stealthy attacks from the infidels and their lies.  My detailed answer is in the next post.....

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[QuranSearchCom]

"In livestock, too, you have a lesson- We give you a drink from the contents of their bellies, between waste matter and blood, pure milk, sweet to the drinker". [16:66] Abdul Haleem translation.

https://m.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/gy0ws/a_response_as_promised_to_grammar_error_in_the/

"Did you notice that your Allah (swt) did not know that there are so many humans that are lactose intolerant. Let that idea sink in for a moment, oh the irony, it burns. your imaginary friend that created the universe and all the people did not know that there are some humans that have lactose intolerant digestive systems.

also, science and history provide a better and more eloquent explanation for the milk production system and the evolution of cattle and their mammary glands.

I will also note that raw milk is medically unsafe for consumption and that's why there's a pasteurization process. Before pasteurization, cattle milk was rife with dangerous bacteria. your god does not know anything about the processing of milk.

pure indeed, ideal for harmful bacteria and germs. I would've submitted to this allah, sorry I mean Mohammed's ego, if he had mentioned bacteria or germs in milk or elsewhere".

It is observable to the eye that just drinking milk raw straight from the animal is not clean.  Just like people used to cook with fire, people used to also boil the milk with fire.  This is also where they used to extract cream from the milk's surface after it cools off, and also make butter, cheese and yogurt.

Arabic (from right to left):
‏16:66 وان لكم في الانعام لعبرة نسقيكم مما في بطونه من بين فرث ودم لبنا خالصا سائغا للشاربين

[016:066] And in the livestock there is a lesson for you: we provide you with a drink from their bellies. From the midst of digested food and blood, you get pure milk, delicious خالصا سائغا for the drinkers.


Allah Almighty is speaking about the CONTENT of the milk itself, and not the outside bacteria that gets attached to it.  Children of old had always drank livestock milk.  The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing but noise on Islam.



Lactose Intolerant?

And as to being lactose intolerant, again, this has nothing to do with the content of the milk being pure and delicious.  Milk doesn't have to be taken by everyone.  And again, the fact that Allah Almighty Said that the creation of WHITE MILK comes from BLOOD (red blood to the naked eye) does indeed sound ridiculous and false to the average disbeliever.  But yet, it's been scientifically confirmed to be True.  So let the rotten infidel know that he is mocking the Truth of Allah Almighty, and not a man-made nonsense and lie.

Again, please visit the following links to see the formation of milk Miracle in the Glorious Quran:

www.answering-christianity.com/formation_of_milk.htm

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#embryology
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#medicine
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Milk is produced from digested food and the BLOOD!  The Quran claimed it and science has confirmed it.

.....oh the irony, it burns. your imaginary friend that created the universe....

Give glad tidings to the doomed-to-Hell infidel that he is on his path to the destruction of Hell Fire.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[iknowi]

Salaams.

If the correct translation says "livestock" and not "cattle" then there is no issue, because livestock includes all animals that make milk. Goats milk for example doesn't cause problems for lactose intolerant human beings.

[Ramihs97]

@iknowi but doesn't الانعام mean cattle ? In quran.com/16:66  the english translation says livestock but shen you click on the word it says cattle.

What are these infidels even trying to claim ?

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum,

الانعام means animals.  It also means livestock, depending on the context of the Noble Verse.  But in the Glorious Quran, it means both.  You can read the following article:

www.answering-christianity.com/lesbian_rebuttal.htm#bestiality

Also search for the Word here.


As to Noble Verse 16:66 that I gave above, it is talking about livestock, because Allah Almighty in Noble Verse 39:6 said that He sent us 8 pairs of livestock for our survival:

 ‏39:6 خلقكم من نفس واحدة ثم جعل منها زوجها وانزل لكم من الانعام ثمانية ازواج يخلقكم في بطون امهاتكم خلقا من بعد خلق في ظلمات ثلاث ذلكم الله ربكم له الملك لااله الا هو فانى تصرفون

[039:006]  He created you (all) from a single being. Out of it, He created its spouse. He gave you eight types (four pairs: males and females of each) of domestic animals _ (sheep, goats, cows and camels). He created you in your mothers’ wombs, shaping you from one form to another _ through three (distinct kinds of) darkened zones. Such is Allah, your Lord! His is the empire (of the entire universe)! There is no god except He! How dare you turn away?


And in Noble Verse 16:66, Allah Almighty talked about the livestock that He has us drink from their milk "....we provide you with a drink from their bellies....".  This is from the 8 pairs that Allah Almighty sent us.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Ramihs97]

I'm lost. What are these idiots even trying to claim ?

[QuranSearchCom]

Once you clear their smokescreens, you'll realize how full of BS they are.  The doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing on Islam.  Remember this, akhi.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Ramihs97]

Lmfao i dont even understand where is the so called "scientific error" ??

[iknowi]

The scientific error was that Allah in the Quran stated that cows milk is palatable for all human beings, but that isn't true because some people are lactose intolerant.

Then i found out that it didnt say cows milk, but the milk of any animal, so the contradiction is cleared (e.g. goats milk causes minimal problems for vast majority of people).

[QuranSearchCom]

The scientific error was that Allah in the Quran stated that cows milk is palatable for all human beings, but that isn't true because some people are lactose intolerant.

Show me where it says for all human beings.  The Glorious Quran never made a blanket statement about ALL PEOPLE.  The Holy Book rather spoke about how the pure milk is formed, and it is a delicious drink for the drinkers.

Then i found out that it didnt say cows milk, but the milk of any animal, so the contradiction is cleared (e.g. goats milk causes minimal problems for vast majority of people).

Again, Allah Almighty spoke about how the milk forms.  And from between digested food and BLOOD is pure and delicious milk formed.  You have added the following on your own:

1-  For all people.
2-  Assumes that some people are lactose intolerant.

You have added these on your own.  The Glorious Quran didn't make a blanket statement for all people.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah