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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Some claims
« on: February 28, 2018, 12:26:57 AM »
you can easily refute by saying that Allah has no sculpture/carvings or resemblance on earth.
Hence the mocking by polytheists to claim that Allah is weak as He cant

Also Kaaba in the beginning was just floor with no roof. It is place of worship and for direction of prayers. Say if one day the Kaaba has no wall or roof. We will still face the same direction despite not having any building there.

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Is Trinity found in the Bible? Is it Polytheism or True Monotheism? / Re: What was the Gospel of Jesus Christ ?
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:59:15 AM »
it took 300 years for the Greek readers to realize that the stories in the Greek books/chapters contradicted among themselves hence the need to select on which were cannon or non cannon.

And interestingly, 'Jesus Messiah' had to opt for a Hellenistic man from Tarsus rather than his Israelite disciples to propagate a new belief for the gentiles that the Israelite God permits worshiping Him in His new form as Son of God.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Wiki islam
« on: January 19, 2018, 08:11:13 AM »
The throne of Allah is not merely the size of earth. It encompasses earth and heavens, all creations with vast barrier of light.

The throne of Allah is above water.

The heavens are not engulfing around planet earth in form of sphere/orb, they are like sheet or scroll of paper.

Lowest heavens are filled with stars. All having their own orbits.

Invisible like pillars and invisible like tracks for planets to run means they are in balance by will of Allah.  As long as the balance is intact, earth will still be under protection and not pounded by pieces from heaven.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: 26 Qurans
« on: January 01, 2018, 08:38:17 AM »
there are no 26 different qurans purchaseable.
there are different recitations of quran however which has been explained in the links given.

if you look at the Christians claims of 26 qurans, they are just saying the words have same root word but pronounce differently or having synonyms of word thus making a different meaning or interpretation.

that does not make it different quran at all as even during the prophet's time it had been known they are different ways of reciting the quran.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: 26 Qurans
« on: December 31, 2017, 09:44:18 PM »
Even Shias did not accept the two surahs which spell out the name Ali in it.
Doubt Iraq/Iran Sunni and Iraqi/Iran Shias would go to different shops to purchase different Quran for additional surahs.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/forgery.html

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: 26 Qurans
« on: December 31, 2017, 11:56:21 AM »
Well the Christian just sums up about differences in recitations only and attempt to relate the differences to the textual variants found in their Greek books.
The Christian world has accepted that they are many versions of Bible due to copying errors by scribes when preserving the Greek testament.
Yet putting textual variants issues aside, still one certainly could not claim that their Greek testaments were preserved since beginning as the 26 or 27 greek authored pages/books were only selected as canon around 200-300 years after the departure of Paul. With the rest of other Greek books considered non-canon.

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What did Allah said in (Sura 2:10) HAFS "yakdhibuuna" OR WARSH - "yukadhibuuna"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:48) RUH "yugbal" OR WARSH - "tugbal"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:125) HAFS "ettakhizu" OR WARSH - "ettakhazu"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:132) HAFS "wawassaa" OR WARSH - "wa'awsaa"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:140) HAFS "taguluna" OR WARSH - "yaguluna"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:184) HAFS "ta'aamu miskiinin" OR WARSH - "ta'aami Masakina"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:214) HAFS "hatta yaguula" OR WARSH - "hatta yaguulu"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:219) HAFS "kabeer" OR al Duri & Abu Harith - "katheer"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 2:271) HAFS "Yukkafeer" OR al-Susi & al-Duri - "nukkaffeer"?
What did Allah said in (Sura 21:4) HAFS "qaala" OR WARSH - "qul"?

It is you muslims claim that there is only 1 quran! You "claim" quran is "never" changed. NOW That claim of all muslims is now destroyed! This corruption of the quran started AFTER UTHMAN. That means quran is corrupted by muslims and islam is false. There are at least 26 different qurans now in 2017..

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: 26 Qurans
« on: December 31, 2017, 01:54:35 AM »
the quran is preserved thru memorization and recitations in prayers. there are different ways of reciting quran in relations to different dialects.
 The different ways of recitations were recorded in hadiths.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Refutation of Sherif Gaber.
« on: December 30, 2017, 11:00:24 AM »
he believes that he understands the seen and the unseen knowledge, hence for him religion is a myth

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But he who says to his parents: "Fie upon you both! Do you hold out the promise to me that I shall be raised up (again) when generations before me have passed away (without rising)?"
While they (father and mother) invoke Allah for help (and rebuke their son): "Woe to you! Believe! Verily, the Promise of Allah is true." But he says: "This is nothing but the tales of the ancient."  (46:17)

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Question ?
« on: December 29, 2017, 10:57:18 AM »
questioning too much on ordains from God will just make one feel its being a burden added to life. And when one feels its too much of a burden, he will change faith to a disbeliever for an easy life on earth.

And Matthew 7:12 sums about actions on receiving gifts; and not exactly about getting answers whens questioning the Law of God.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A verse that needs explaining
« on: December 24, 2017, 10:16:55 PM »
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O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise. 9:28
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. 9:29

The verse was during the conquest of Makkah liberating the House of God from idols, and months later the polytheist requested help from Romans in order to recapture Makkah. Hence the need to defend the House of God by means of battle.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: I need advice
« on: December 17, 2017, 01:20:51 AM »
Just always bear in mind that,  Trinitarian is a belief where the God of Noahites and Isralites finally giving up after sending many messengers inviting mankind to worship a unique singular God with no resemblance or equality to others.

And hence the God of Noahites and Israelites conceded to the way of polytheists and hellenists that worship manifestations on earth, and wishes to show mercy onto mankind by relaxing the strict Law of God being singular and unique. And hence God decided to manifest into a human form and permits a maximum of three forms of God being equal to each other.

It will be a new invitation from God to polytheists so that they will abandon their plural-gods and worship just a human God inclusive of the three equal forms of His.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: King of kings title for Jesus was not unique
« on: December 13, 2017, 03:51:38 AM »
Also in their Greek books, Jesus and the appearance in human form never existed since the beginning. Thus Jesus is indeed not the Creator. They should refer only to God and Word as the creator. As the concept of Father and Son is introduced pretty much later during the Hellenistic era.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Confusion about Quran chp 36 verse 40
« on: December 07, 2017, 11:17:29 AM »
And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk.
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming. (36:39-40)

The verses are saying the moon has a path and the shadows on moons indicates the paths of sun and moon are different, and sun have different path , night/day refers to the relation of sun and earth with all three entities having different paths.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:00:18 AM »
the funny thing  ;D is that the conspirator forgot to insert Medina in their '1001 tale of historical origins'. Obviously that  ruling caliphate had to develop two new cities to fit the storyline.
 
hence the accusation should be read as

Quote from: New World Order Cleanse on November 05, 2017, 12:58:04 PM
Peace,

Below I put the key evidences in bold as they generally have least/no alternative interpretations:

- There is no archaeological evidence that Mecca and Medina existed until 150 years after Muhammad's death. This is peculiar given Arabia's dry, preserving climate (every archaelogists dream come true), and by comparative/contrasting histories.
- Makkah as "Mother of All Cities" ( i.e. a major trading city), a term used explicitly in the Quran at 42:7, is not sustainable historically, but fits Petra perfectly,
- Makkah and Medina  never a major city on a caravan route whereas Petra was both (how can Mecca be a huge trading hub is it's not even on the trading route?)
- 'Makkah and Madina'  not found on any map until 900 CE, 300 years after Muḥammad’s birth


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Christians and atheists accuse Quran having folklore in it
« on: November 18, 2017, 02:50:13 AM »
You can answer him in return that the only clear contradiction can be found in the so called 'New' @ Greek Covenant against the 'Old' @ Israelite Covenant.
While the teachings in Quran does not contradict the teachings of Noahites, and Israelites which also includes the teachings of Jesus Messiah onto his companions.

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