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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prisoners of war
« on: January 25, 2018, 04:20:23 PM »
Thanks Zakir..
So what about the issue that sex is the only way to escape slavery if your not ransomed then this is like indirect rape is it not.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: My final doubt
« on: January 25, 2018, 11:22:40 AM »
Oh i made a mistake, number 5 is infact number 7...so we're not done with number 5 yet...
Thank you for your efforts

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / My final doubt
« on: January 24, 2018, 03:02:31 PM »
This website has been much help to me but I have a last doubt that stops me from calling myself Muslim again. I've know this is a big topic maybe someone could do an article but there is a series by David Wood called countering Muslim claims where he uses quran authentic hadith and evidence . I really need help guys I know this will take effort but please if this can be answered I can finally turn back to Islam. I do not expect and imidiate answer of course but please it would be so much help even if you could look at the episodes and provide a link refuting each one there are just under 10 episodes maybe 1 or 2 more please it will be so much help this website has never failed me.
Thank you.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prisoners of war
« on: January 24, 2018, 10:42:48 AM »
@Zakir, you here? The reason i asked you for reference was to know whether she immediately becomes free or after the death of her master...what does your sources say?
I got it from a article on this website called does Islam allow the rape of female slaves I think it was by karim it says :
"But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free. "

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prisoners of war
« on: January 23, 2018, 04:04:39 PM »
Three questions
1) Isn't this separation thing a bit barbaric and over the top?
2) I'm pretty sure people don't want to be slave so if the woman request freedom can she not be frees?
3) I know Islam forbids rape but this is indirect rape although the woman is not physical forced into sex she has to do it to be free, isn't this like prostitution .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prisoners of war
« on: January 23, 2018, 11:52:47 AM »

1- Western people impregnate each other everyday with thousands of abortions, so they have no right to complain when ancient Muslims have sex which was made lawful by God !

2- Disbelievers always accused Prophet Muhammad of separating families. Actually, Christians claim that the mission of Prophet Jesus is to separate the families and bring swords.

3- Allah said:

    فَلَا اقْتَحَمَ الْعَقَبَةَ وَمَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا الْعَقَبَةُ فَكُّ رَقَبَةٍ

    But he has not broken through the difficult path, and what will make you know what is the difficult path? It is the freeing of a slave.

    Surah Al-Balad 90:11-13


4- Have a look here, mostly this will explain them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYraWg8ceM
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193564.html
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_islam_permit_muslim_men_to_rape_their_slave_girls_
https://abuaminaelias.com/what-does-islam-teach-about-slavery/
So just a quick question not an atrack so the prophet thought it was perfectly fine to separate this husband and wife without there consent and most likely unwilingly.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Prisoners of war
« on: January 22, 2018, 05:18:26 PM »
1)One thing I don't get of prisoners of war why do humans become property also when you say a a slave woman becomes impregnated by her master
she will be free well the only way to get escape slavery is to he ransomed or sex then. So this Is kind of rape or is it because a woman would not want to be enslaved so will have to have intercourse unwillingly just to get out even though she is a prisoner of war can she not just request to be freed.

2) Also could you explain this hadith please After the distribution of the spoils of war a man may have intercourse with the female slave after passing one menstrual period, if she is not pregnant. If she is pregnant one should wait till she delivers the child. This is the view held by Malik, al-Shafi?i and Abu Thawr. Abu Hanifah holds that if both the husband and wife are captivated together, their marriage tie still continues; they will not be separated. According to the majority of scholars, they will be separated. Al-Awza-i maintains that their marriage tie will continue till they remain part of the spoils of war. If a man buys them, he may separate them if he desires, and cohabit with the female slave after one menstrual period. (?Awn al-Ma?bud II.213)"  Abu Dawud vol.2
They say that muhmmads war separated families why was this allowed did the husband or wife give consent to be separated.
3) I thought Islam came to end slavery.
4) I have a few hadith I will upload yesterday that I need answering can someone answer them tomorrow night.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: 2 daily questions
« on: January 22, 2018, 03:41:15 PM »
I  believe brother zakir  isn't keen to learn.it seems that,he wants make us believe that there's a lot of videos on youtube which disproves Islam that's all.it seems that he's just advertising. well,his infidel links are being deleted  :'(
No the truth is I just  want to learn and I find you guys help alot.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Science of hadith.
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:28:54 PM »
Assalam alaikum

Main Principles:
I can not express how much I appreciate you answering a lot of my questions rather than waiting for someone else to do it thank you sama  :)
a- Quran and Sunnah must be understood according to Arabic langauge after gathering all narrations together as one narration may explain another.

b- In case a hadeeth or an Ayah is proven authentic then we find it contradicting a fact or a sensible event that is agreed on, we reconsider our understanding of the text because an authentic text cannot contradict a fact or agreed on truth.

Scientific Facts:

a. The egg is always the carrier of the X chromosome (X).

b. The spermcell of a man is the carrier of X and Y chromosomes. [i.e. It carries man and women chromosome].

c. a. Determining the gender of children depends solely on the chromosome of the spermcell of the man.

d. The combination of the "X" chromosome of the woman with the chromosome "Y" of the man creates a boy(xy). However, if the "X" chromosome of the woman combine with the chromosome "X" of the man creates a girl (xx).

e. "Y" is manly while X is womanly.

The hadeeth

" ماء الرجل أبيض وماء المرأة أصفر . فإذا اجتمعا، فعلا مني الرجل مني المرأة ، أذكرا بإذن الله . وإذا علا مني المرأة مني الرجل ، آنثا بإذن الله
قَالَ الْيَهُودِيُّ لَقَدْ صَدَقْتَ وَإِنَّكَ لَنَبِيٌّ ثُمَّ انْصَرَفَ فَذَهَبَ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ لَقَدْ سَأَلَنِي هَذَا عَنِ الَّذِي سَأَلَنِي عَنْهُ وَمَا لِي عِلْمٌ بِشَىْءٍ مِنْهُ حَتَّى أَتَانِيَ اللَّهُ بِهِ ‏"‏
http://sunnah.com/muslim/4#38

The True Translation:

The water of the man is white and the water of the woman is yellow. When they get together, if the semen of the man become above the semen of the woman, the child is male, by the permession of Allah, and if the semen of the woman becomes above the semen of the woman, the child is a female by the permession of Allah.
The Jew said: What you have said is true; verily you are an Apostle. He then returned and went away. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: He asked me about such and such things of which I have had no knowledge till Allah gave me that.

Study of the Hadeeth:

a. As we know that women has no role in deciding the gender of the child when fertilization takes place and the text appears to state something that seem to contradict this fact, we need to resort to laid down principles in order to guideline our understanding. This principle state that in such case, we reconsider our understanding to the texts. How? I will explain it in the following point.

b. It is important to pay attention to the used words in the hadeeth. The key words we would like to highlight (I will translate the words of the text litterally to explain it further).

Notes:

a- The word above here means "dominant" as this is one of the known meaning of the word "above" and has been used in Quran to mean "dominant and controlled".

b. The first half of the hadeeth referred to the man and woman liquids as "water" while in the second half he became more specific as referred to it as "semen".

c. We already know that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم mentioned in other hadeeths that the "water" of women is involved in process of fertilization. Then we realized that this water has a description that does not befit ejaculated fuilds since ejaculated fluids are white in color whereas he described the color as yellow and thin.

d. The sound understanding of this text is that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was referring in this hadeeth to the male and female chromosome of the spermcell of the man (X as the female chromosome and Y as the male chromosome). Based on this, the Prophet meant that when the male factor is dominant then it is a boy but when the female factor is domionant then it is a girl. This is what science states and this is the sound understanding that one should have beacuse the text can be understood in various ways and we know that authentic texts must be in agreement with agreed on facts.

e- He didn't know about that except what Allah told him.

what may be the cause of misunderstanding is that it is because when people "understood" it, they assumed that the word "semen " used in this hadeeth refer to man and woman' water mentioned earlier while as a matter of fact, he صلى الله عليه وسلم was referring to the semen of the man only which is always a carrier of male and female chromosomes. This is supported by the fact that the word "semen" is always exclusively for men while women liquid is always called water only.

In short, it seems according to the words and structure of what was stated, that the issue of "dominance" is purely in targeting the dominance of x chromosome (female) and y chromosomes (male), particularly because women are scientifically not classified as having "sperm".

And Allah knows the best !
http://comparativreligion.blogspot.com/2013/02/re-hadeeth-on-sex-determination-genetics.html

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Science of hadith.
« on: January 20, 2018, 02:39:32 PM »
 I came across an authentic hadith that says during intercourse if a man ejaculates first the child will be a boy but if the woman does so first it will be a girl.
Science has proven this completely wrong and there are many ways to prove it this. They attack mummad calling a man with no common sense and use this to prove Islam is false and based on primitive beliefs.
Any answers.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Answering Islam
« on: January 20, 2018, 12:57:10 PM »
1) These guys have wrote articles opposing this website calling you liars and manipulative people. If you search answering christiaity if you scroll down they have a article on you.
2) They have a list a rebuttals to this websites claims and answers also.


Brother Osama called them clowns and liars.
The point is they have rebbutals to our answers to things and our claims so can we counter there counter arguments.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Answering Islam
« on: January 19, 2018, 08:29:22 PM »
1) These guys have wrote articles opposing this website calling you liars and manipulative people. If you search answering christiaity if you scroll down they have a article on you.
2) They have a list a rebuttals to this websites claims and answers also.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Evolution
« on: January 19, 2018, 05:08:42 PM »
It's just the fact that skeletons have been found like here https://goo.gl/images/bWp37R

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