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Dear brother egyptian
How about the hadith is musnad ahmed that says:
"Is it Assabiyyah for a man to love his people?, and he (PBUH) said: 'No, tribalism is to support your people in an injust cause."

It is always referenced by (relianble) Islamic scholars that say that love for ones race is Good, but as long as you are not racist and blindly follow them because of what they are, thats Facism and Nazism

Can you please give me the number of the hadith as tell me if its week or not.
Thanks for the (good) hadith that tells us that supporting youtr people in injustice is asabiyyah, but not nationalism, however that hadith is in "al adaab a sharia" not Musnab Ahmed, and i find musnad ahmed more reliable.

Dear Tanveer
Nationalism is love of your people, ethnicity, race, etc. Nothing wrong with that
Patriotism is love for ones country, state, etc. Again, nothing worng
Asabiyyah IS NOT nationalism, it is extreme nationalism similar to fasicism, and racism, think of Hitler.
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Peace
I have 2 questions for you
I have come across hadiths that supports my theory that "asabiyyah", is blind patriotism extreme nationlism, not just love for ones country (patriotism) and race (nationalism).

A woman called Fusayla said that she heard her father say, "I asked, 'Messenger of Allah, is it part of disobedience for a man to help his people in something which is unjust?' 'Yes,' he replied."

حَدَّثَنَا زَكَرِيَّا، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا الْحَكَمُ بْنُ الْمُبَارَكِ، قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنَا زِيَادُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنِي عَبَّادٌ الرَّمْلِيُّ قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَتْنِي امْرَأَةٌ يُقَالُ لَهَا‏:‏ فُسَيْلَةُ، قَالَتْ‏:‏ سَمِعْتُ أَبِي يَقُولُ‏:‏ قُلْتُ‏:‏ يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ، أَمِنَ الْعَصَبِيَّةِ أَنْ يُعِينَ الرَّجُلُ قَوْمَهُ عَلَى ظُلْمٍ‏؟‏ قَالَ‏:‏ نَعَمْ‏.‏

Reference    : Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 396
In-book reference    : Book 21, Hadith 12

and heres another

Narrated Wathilah ibn al-Asqa':
I asked: Messenger of Allah! what is party spirit? He replied: That you should help your people in wrongdoing.

حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا الْفِرْيَابِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا سَلَمَةُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، عَنْ بِنْتِ وَاثِلَةَ بْنِ الأَسْقَعِ، أَنَّهَا سَمِعَتْ أَبَاهَا، يَقُولُ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا الْعَصَبِيَّةُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ أَنْ تُعِينَ قَوْمَكَ عَلَى الظُّلْمِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference    : Sunan Abi Dawud 5119
In-book reference    : Book 43, Hadith 347
English translation    : Book 42, Hadith 5100

Hoowever both these hadiths are considered weak by Al-Albani. Can someone give me the reason why its weak, and what Al Albani said on it.
Also, there is a third hadith in Musnad Ahmad of similar wording, but i cant find its exact location, and scholars reference this one the most, can you please give it to me. Also is it a authentic, weak, good, etc.
Thanks
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but the government is filled with extermist wahhabis. Saudi should be a home to the arabs, but a safe haven and pilgrimagae destination for all muslims.
I dont think they should lead the ummah because that it would be lead by Arabs only.

Well, KSA should be kind to the whole community, since they hold mecca and medina for pilgrimage, yet its inhabitants are arabs, such as the people of france are french.
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Ataturk was NOT jew, he was either muslim or cultural muslim/agnostic, but not jew. He killed and pushed out thr foreigners: Greeks, Armenians, French, Italian, and British who were occuping turkish lands. I believe that saddam should have been stopped when he invaded IRAN, before kuwait, so im with you on that, however, they didn't didn't give him the "blessing", the internationalcommuniy merely claimed that they wont be invovlved in Arab-Arab trade deals, even though the stressed the peace and stability in the ME. As for the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, it was brutal, my fathers family moved from Kuwait to KSA because of that, the told us about the occupation and how brutal saddam was one was even executed, also, one missile hit a place where my mother waas living, although alhamdullilah that she lived, saddam NEEDED to be driven out of kuwait and ousted from power, thaks to the coalition of 1991, they accomplished the first goal. The coalition of 2003 thoguh was horrible and not rightful, i ask now, [censored] ARE THE SO CALLED "WEAPONS" BUSH? Also if they were going to get rid of the dictator, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SO IN 1990 (ivasion of Kuwait) if no 1981 (invasion of iran), then the should have condemned him as a dictator, but only after they got in his nerves then they decided to get rid of him, shame on them.
Although i was against the foreign ontervention in Libya, definetly I was against gaddafi and supported the revolution to overthrow him.
The House of suad's first ansestor was Mani' ibn Rabiah Al-Muraydi, who a diriyan muslim, and even at some point his were jews, it doesn't matter for 2 reasons, first our ancestors were of author beliefs before islam, (Mine were zoroastrian, pagan, christian, and jews), the second is that islam cancels every previous beliefs you had, we see them as muslims not as ex-jews, christians etc. In addition KSA seems to be getting better, thanks to our better than average king Abdullah, although it needs MUCH more imprvement,
Although the iraqi soldiers in 1991 were conscripts, it is saddam who should take the blame not the kuwaiti-saudi-coalition forces who fought to liberate kuwait, but to the dictator who sent them to their deaths.
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Just for the record, Donmrh are crypto jews who lived in turkey and hid their beliefs from fear of persecution. Although there is little love between us, i dont think the house of saud are "crypto jews".