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Wa Alaikum As'salam akhi Mclinkin94,
You're honestly beginning to sound like an infidel pretending to be Muslim. We get those rotten infidels every once in a while. I just hope you're no one of them.
How so? All I have done is present Quranic evidence, evidence you have absolutely no response for. I do feel that it is impossible to refute the Quranic claims if you believe in the Quran--Allah couldn't have been more clear.
In fact, if we play that game and judge who is Muslim purely based on Allah's words--it would be clear that sunnis are not worthy of the title "muslim"
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1- You're speaking like the atheists when they say "may be there is no GOD", or "we don't know...". Your argument AT BEST is "may be they're false", or "maybe this practice is fabricated by some group of sheikhs....".
I don't argue like that. I don't say that hadiths may be fabricated and the Quran may be the only source of law.
Hadiths are fabricated and the Quran is the ONLY source of law as it was explicitly stated. Even if hadiths contain some truth in them, it doesn't matter as all the details we need to know are in the Quran.
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I don't know then how the Islam that we follow had been perfected by Allah Almighty according to the Glorious Quran:
[005:003] Forbidden to you is the flesh of an animal which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine; and that on which is invoked the name of any other than ALLAH; and that which has been strangled; and that which has been beaten to death; and that which has been killed by a fall and that which has been gored to death; and that of which a wild animal has eaten, except that which you have properly slaughtered; and that which has been slaughtered at an altar as an offering to idols. And forbidden is also this that you seek to know your lot by the divining arrows. That is an act of disobedience. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of harming your religion. So fear them not, but fear ME. This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed MY favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion. But whoso is forced by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, then, surely, ALLAH is Most Forgiving, and is Merciful.
Allah DID perfect Islam and he made it clear that the Quran is the only source of law. Sunni's and shia's are not Muslims. They are disbelievers. They are not following Allah's perfected religion which states that the Quran is the only source of law.
Quran 45:6-8 These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe? Woe to every sinful liar. Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.
You just heard Allah's verse that you cannot believe in anything besides these (quranic) verses. You persist arrogantly as if you had not heard them, so I give you and all sunni/shia tidings of a painful punishment just as the Quran ordered me to. Is this really an unreasonable claim. All I have done is read the Quran to you...
Consider me as a messenger giving you Allah's wisdom. You have relentlessly resisted. Just imagine how the prophet Muhammad felt when he came with really good arguments and the meccans didn't follow because of arrogance.
It is important that you take these Quranic words seriously brother, for your own soul,
do not turn a blind eye to the words of God in the Quran.
Why is it so difficult to believe all the words of God which I showed you?
Do you want to be sorry on Judgement day and say I wish I did not let my ego blind me from the truth?
I am here to help you as a brother and a friend, but I cannot do so unless you decide to believe the Quran,
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For GOD Almighty's Sake, if the inherited Sunnah is all wrong (our Prayer, Fasting, Pilgrimage, etc...) are all wrong, according to you, then how is this in harmony with the Quran?? And how is the Quran in harmony with common sense and logic then?? How could It claim that Islam had been PERFECTED and COMPLETED for us, when everything about It is just false, according to you??
But you are assuming that those who follow the inherited Sunnah are proper Muslims?
Remember what the Quran predicted?
[Quran 25:30] The Messengers will say, "Lord, my people had abandoned this Quran.
This is a prophesy that came true. People have abandoned the Quran and violated the direct commandment of not taking another source of law.
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2- For the millionth time told to you by Muslims, the Glorious Quran details everything as far as Salvation and Commands are concerned, and the Hadiths detail the DEEP DIVES of the practices. Hajj is in the Holy Quran. Salat is in the Holy Quran. The Hadiths tell you how to do them. If a Command in a Hadith isn't mentioned in the Glorious Quran at all, such as drinking with your right hand, or shaving your mustache, then this is all optional Sunnah. Many Scholars agree with this. However, it is best to do it if you could. I personally do the Sunnah as much as I can. But it is not compulsory.
No brother. No!
The Quran has all the details and made no exceptions, you are directly disbelieving in Allah's words!! Please reconsider your thought!
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3- Allah Almighty's Command above in my previous post wasn't just limited to spoils of wars, man! The command is clearly a general one, even if it were mentioned in a specific situation.
Sure, but even so--the prophet Muhammad was instructed by Allah how to give out the spoils of war! That means Muhammad had no legislative power, all power was to Allah and Muhammad just executes his commands and we are commanded to follow him.
If this is not just limited to the spoils of war but is applicable to everything, then the same concept follows--Allah gives the command the the prophet in the Quran, and the prophet executes the commands and we must follow the prophet. This verse in no way validates the sunnah or another source of law besides the Quran. Muhammad has no legislative power, he executes Allah's command in the Quran and if we don't follow the prophet then we are not following the Quran nor Allah.
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Now for the sake of keeping the Muslims' faith balanced, and not to spread any cultists' confusions and lies, and for the sake of the possibility of YOU being a non-Muslims, I would like to humbly ask you to cease at once all discussions regarding the Sunnah. You can resume discussing the Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran and all other topics. But the Quran and Sunnah is something that has gone on for a long time here, and quite frankly, it's becoming quite silly to continue this discussion and keep repeating ourselves over and over and over to you. So please brother, do not discuss this again here. I'll give you the last word on this thread to say and rebut what you wish.
You have my word. This is my last discussion of this topic on this forum unless permission is given to me (from you) specifically.
But I continue urge you to open your heart and mind to Allah and the Quran.
If you cannot defend the most simple of verses that the Quran is fully detailed and that we cannot believe in any verse besides it--then there is something wrong with your belief system.
I hope you may find guidance and become a true muslim.