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In general, the Quran and Allah do not support turning women into tents.

Before presenting the Quranic rules for women's dress, it is essential to be reminded of the following:

1- The Quran is the only source of law that is authorised by God (6:114).
2- The Quran is complete and fully detailed (6:38, 6:114, 6:89 and 12:111).
3- God calls on His true believers to make sure not to fall in the trap of idol worship by following the words of the scholars instead of the words of God (9:31).
4- God calls those who prohibit what He did not prohibit, aggressors, liars and idol worshippers (5:87, 6:140, 7:32, 10:59).

I will very briefly simplify the argument against women covering their whole body or everything except their face. It is very important to state that true Islam is derived from the Quran and not from the culture of the original/current Muslim people.

The strongest argument against this whole scene of head-covers is the fact that there are no words in all the Quran where God commands the woman to cover all her body. We must accept that the Quran has all the details (6:114), and that God does not forget. If God wanted the woman to cover all her body from the neck to the feet God would have said that clearly. Those who make such un-Quranic claims cannot find words in the Quran with such extreme commands, so they manipulate Quranic words, mainly in 24:31 and 33:59, to comply with their false claims.

"Hijab"
It is important to state the word Hijab in the Quran does not refer to the same thing that modern muslims call Hijab. The word 'hijab' appears seven times in the Quran (7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17). None of these 'hijab' words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today 'hijab', that being the head cover for Muslim woman!

Historical background of hijab: The 'hijab' is an old Jewish tradition that infiltrated into the hadith books like many innovations that contaminated Islam through the hadith. Any student of Jewish traditions would know that the head cover for the Jewish woman is encouraged by the Rabbis and religious leaders. Here is a jewish rabbi discussing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysHBoQsg9e4. Many Jewish and Chrstian traditions have entered into our hadiths. One prominent one is the myth of the antichrist or the "dajjal" nonsense.

"Khimar"
The Arabic word khimar means cover. Any cover can be called a khimar, such as a curtain, a dress. A table cloth that covers the top of a table is a khimar. A blanket can be called a khimar and so on. The word khamr, which is used in the Quran for intoxicants, has the same root as khimar. Both words mean that which covers. The khimar covers a window, a body, a table and so on, while khamr is that which covers the mind. Traditional translators, obviously influenced by Hadith and culture, claim that khimar in 24:31 has only one meaning, and that is veil or hijab. Thus, they mislead women into believing that 24:31 commands them to cover their hair! The correct meaning of the word khimar can easily be verified by consulting any Arabic dictionary.
In 24:31 God is telling women to use their khimar (cover/garment), which could be a dress, a coat, a shawl, a shirt, a blouse, a scarf and so on, to cover their cleavage/bosoms.

The Quranic proofs:

[Quran 24:31] "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their private parts, and not to reveal any of their ‘zinatahhunna’ (beauty spots) except what normally shows, and to draw their ‘khumurihhinna’(their khimars) over their ‘juyoob’ (cleavage/bossom)"

There are 2 parts of the above verse that make it clear.

For a start, we note that the words ‘head’ and ‘hair’ are not found in 24:31.
In addition, we must differentiate between two components in the wording of 24:31.
God says to women to draw their khimar (garment) over their cleavage/bossom. Here we have:

1- The subject of the command, which is the cleavage/bossom
2- The tool, which is the khimar.

The command is only obligatory in relation to the subject and not the tool.
If the obligation was for the tool as well God would have said:
“cover your hair and cleavage with your khimar”
God is not short of words, nor is God vague in the commands He decrees for us.
God will hold us accountable on the Day of Judgement to the commands He gave us, so it is not rational to imply for one moment that God would give us vague commands which lack precision and certainty.

In the above verse, notice the first underline: It is saying that you should cover your adornments except what normally shows/normally apparent!

The immediate question is: what are the parts of the body which people (in general) and women (in particular) normally cover, and thus would be described as "normally apparent"? When we have defined what is normally covered, it follows that the remaining parts of the body are what is referred to as "normally apparent", or normally uncovered. In general, people cover the following:

1- People cover their private parts in order to maintain righteousness (7:26). For women this would include all parts of the body which have sexual connotation such as the private parts, the backside, the chest, thighs and so on. It is for this purpose that God commands women in 33:59 to lengthen their garments so as not to be too revealing.

2- People also cover their bodies in order to keep warm. In warm climates people would only cover what is included under item 1 above, which would be the minimum clothing required but also with maintaining righteousness, while as in colder climates people would cover more of their bodies depending on the severity of the weather.

The above two points define what parts of the body would normally be covered under the words “normally apparent”.
To imply that the words “normally apparent” mean all the body, as some Imams preach, is yet another manipulation of God’s words.
If God wanted the woman to cover all her body God would not have bothered with words such as the “cleavage” "bosoms" (in my first underline) nor with “what is normally apparent”! God would have simply said “cover all your body”. But for God to single out specific parts of the body for covering is the proof that God never required women to cover all their bodies.

The fact that God says in 24:31 to specifically cover the breast indicates clearly that there are other parts of the woman’s body that do not have to be covered.

If God wanted the whole body of the woman to be covered, God would not have bothered saying "cover your chest" since an overall command to cover all the body would be a more appropriate command, and it would also be the only command that is needed. But since God specifies certain parts of the woman’s body to be covered, then this is clear proof that here are other parts of the woman's body that do not have to be covered, as long as the are not beauty spots of sexual connotation (zinah), and as long as righteousness in dress is maintained (7:26).

"O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. This is better so that they will be recognized and not molested. God is Forgiver, Merciful." 33:59

The command to "lengthen the garment" also proves that the woman is not commanded to be all covered from head to feet. For if that is the case, and the woman is covered down to the ground, there would be no meaning to “lengthen the garment”. How can the woman lengthen a garment that is already down to the ground?

I hope this will help you expose the extreme hypocrites who are distorting the beautiful religion of Islam.
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For the sake of brevity, I will stop here. I will answer further questions/comments in this thread.

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Summary of the above arguments:

• 1- There are no words anywhere in the Quran which command women to cover all their bodies. Those who preach such un-Quranic rules cannot find words in the Quran to justify this extremity, so they manipulate various words in 24:31 and 33:59 to justify the falsehood.
• The fact that God says in 24:31 to specifically cover the bossom indicates clearly that there are other parts of the woman’s body that do not have to be covered.To elaborate on the indication of the words in 24:31, let us ponder on the following example:
  
  
  Think of your house and in it you have a garden. You have gardener who comes to look after your garden. One day you tell the gardener: please water the area under the big tree and also water the back of the garden.
  
  
  What does this example tell us?
  It tell us that since you specified only areas to be watered, then this is a clear indication that there will be other areas in the garden that are not to be watered. If you wanted the gardener to water the whole garden you would have asked: please water the whole garden.
  
  When we apply this example to the issue of women’s dress code in the Quran, the same principle applies. If God wanted the whole body of the woman to be covered, God would not have bothered saying "cover your chest" since an overall command to cover all the body would be all that is needed to say. But since God specifies certain parts of the woman’s body to be covered, then there are other parts that do not have to be covered, as long as they are not beauty spots of sexual connotation and as long as righteousness in dress is maintained.
• The command to "lengthen the garment" also proves that the woman is not commanded to be all covered from head to feet. For if that is the case, and the woman is covered down to the ground, there would be no meaning to “lengthen the garment”. How can the woman lengthen a garment that is already down to the ground?
  
  I hope this will help you expose the extreme hypocrites who are distorting the beautiful religion of Islam.

Remember: God calls those who prohibit what He did not prohibit, aggressors, liars and idol worshippers (5:87, 6:140, 7:32, 10:59).

If only people would follow the Quran. If only.

Instead they play the "my scholars are better than yours" game. That's what you get for following fabrications and saying they are inspired by God even though the Quran states it alone is the only source of law and has details of everything.

Dumping the lies of hadiths would eliminate this malicious sect scene and these ridiculous un-Quranic rituals. I'm sure Allah and the prophet would absolutely love to know what has come of Allah's religion: people flogging themselves and little kids get flogged.

As-Salamu Alaikum Brother Mclinkin, I am asking it just out of Curiousity that How many times you pray in a day? (We Muslims pray 5 times) :D

We are only required to pray 3 times daily, anyone who says we are required for more is either ignorant or systematically rejecting Allah's verses.

I do pray my mandatory 3 prayer and I do pray the extra 2 prayers that the other Muslims do. I actually pray more than 5 times daily.

With every prayer, I pray an additional 2-4 quick prayers--especially at night.

There is no limit to how much you can pray to Allah--just recognize the extra prayers as non-mandatory. Just do your mandatory 3 and you are good.

These sect driven Muslims believe in the 5 pillars of Islam. This is the biggest lie. There should be like 200+ pillars of Islam. You break one pillar, commit one sin, you become a disbeliever until your repent.


I underlined the word "Muslims" in your statement because I have a hard time saying that someone is a 'submitter' if they systematically reject Allah's verses and follow the methodology given by the fabrication of hadiths. Any person who calls themselves a Muslim who is conscious of their arrogant rejection of the Quranic verses should rethink their position to Allah's eyes. Indeed they will have a painful punishment as Quran 45:6-8 states. And I do hope that the user [blackmuslim] would realize the extent of his dishonesty.

It ends here linckin . You clearly stop at nothing at all to justify your ideology . The truth seekers are good with one evidence , the stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand . Call it ad nonsense or whatever you want to call it . I did what I have to do . Who wants to believe will believe and who wants to disbelieve will disbelieve . I just had the duty of exposing you . As for changing your mind , if I can't , maybe someone else can . The people of Sunnah and the group take the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace upon him as sources of law and ways of life . Wither you agree or not doesn't affect that the slightest bit . But once you attempt to spread Kufr among people , you will always find someone to expose it . And if you think claiming the majority of humanity is going to hell while hiding behind the "Ad garbage" you spam and the usual "I'm smart and open minded" nonsense is going to help you spread your so called "True Islam" , think again . You're just the black sheep .

Black , out ( No pun intended ) .

Well you can't seem to defend your position, so how is it justified? You just feel like your position is more intuitive even though the Quran has made it clear there is no other source of law besides it. In fact, you haven't once responded to my biggest argument:

"How can you reconcile a verse that says there is no source of law besides the Quran, with your ideology that there is"

^You should know that you cannot reconcile these verses therefore you should abandon your kufr.

As far as Quran 2:144, I have already broken the verse down and shown you that the prophet could have not received another qibla before--and you offered absolutely no response, you just restated your interpretation of the verse without defending it. I gave many reasons that show my case and you have not made a valid response.

Here are the reasons why to reject another source of law besides the Quran:

1.) The Quran is clear it is the only source of law, has details of everything
2.) The Quran has not mentioned another source of law
3.) We cannot believe in anything Islam related unless it is in the Quran (THIS book)
4.) There is no command in the Quran to follow anything besides it


You cannot seem to accept the true Islam. You are right:

"The truth seekers are good with al evidence"

Just as I am.

"The stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand evidence"

Just like you. Of all the Quranic verses that show the Quran is the only source of law, had details of everthing and that we aren't to follow anything unless it is in this BOOK.

Not only that on Quran 2:144, you completely destroyed its true meaning and you made an unjustified misinterpretation! It was freighting to see how much you can twist the Quran. The evidence on that verse is clear.

"I just had the duty of exposing you"

No I did. read Quran 45:6-7. IT exposes you and gives me the duty to warn you of a painful punishment for believing in anything unless it is in THIS book.


And as I had said before. I gave a challenge. The challenge was to show me ONE verse in the Quran that authorizes another source of law besides it. None were given, you gave one at around 2:144 and even your interpretation (which I've proved to be wrong) does not authorize another source of law for us besides the Quran as it is not relevant to us.

1- Was Muhammad given inspiration regarding a previous Qibla? According to you it is possible, to me the verse says it is not, but for the sake of arguments, I will temporarily agree with your interpretation.
2- Is this Qibla applicable to us today? No, our Qibla is given in 2:144
3- Do we need information about this previous Qibla in order to practice our religion? No
4- Does 2:143 justify the call to follow hadith? Never! Not in a million years!
We do not need these details to practice Islam, the Quran is clear that it is all we need to practice Islam. The fact still remains; the Quran is all we need for salvation. If you reject this fact then you are suggesting a contradiction between the Quran and your ideology.

As for the personal hadith of Muhammad, once again we are commanded very clearly not to follow it for the following reasons:

1- God commands us not to believe/follow any hadith other than the Quran (45:6)
2- God tells us that the Quran has all the details we need (6:114) and that nothing has been left out of the book (6:38). As a result, all what may have been inspired to Muhammad and which is not in the Quran is not part of our Islam today nor is required of us.
3- God commands us to use the Quran as the only source of law (6:114)
3- God tells us that the hadith is the fabrication of the devil (6:112)
4- God tells us that we are not accountable to what was given to those before us, which refutes the claim associated with the previous Qibla (on 2:144).

It is time for you to accept Allah and the Quran.


 

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Tell you what. I will give you an offer to win this debate! Just a simple verse is all I ask.

Give ME one verse that authorizes another source of law besides the Quran and you win this debate. Simple enough?

Keep your puny offer to yourself . It's a matter of evidence and proof . Aside from the numerous signs which I'll mention at the end of this , here's a story told to us by Quran .

Well, I'm waiting. No verse in the Quran authorizes another source of law/revelation given to Muhammad to mankind. You can easily prove me wrong by just listing one verse. Let's get to it.

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2:142 The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path." 2:143 And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful. 2:144 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

So where in Quran , and Quran ALONE , does it tell Muslims to pray toward the Aqsa Masjid ? Don't tire yourself , you won't find any . Going from this point , why did Muslims pray toward Alaqsa while Quran didn't tell them to ? Why did the prophet pray toward Alaqsa ? Will you go so low as to claim this sign is fabricated ? Or maybe you'll claim that the prophet did something in religion that Allah didn't tell him to do ? Seeing how low you've already gone I won't be surprised , but if we think good of you then that's where the next point in line comes .

When we read 2:143-144 we indeed learn of a change of Qibla by God. However, the exact details of this change and the exact location of the previous Qibla does not affect us in any way when we come to observe the Salat. To observe the Salat, we need to know the Qibla which God assigned to us and not to previous people. The Qibla which applies to us is given in 2:144, it is the Masjid Al-Haram. It is important here to remind ourselves of the correct meaning of the Quran being “fully detailed”.
Fully details does not mean all historic events are fully detailed, but only what related to the message of the Quran and the law of God. When a professor says the textbook has everything you need to know--you know that he is referring to everything you need to know for the class, not everything you need to do for life.

It is also necessary to analyse the verses of the change of Qibla more closely:

[2:143] We thus made you a worthy nation so that you would be witnesses over the people, and the messenger would be a witness over you, and We did not appoint the Qiblah which you were on except to know who follows the messenger and who would turn back on their heels. It was indeed a great issue, but not for those who are guided by God, and God would never allow your faith to be wasted. God is Benevolent and Merciful towards the people.

With the words: “We did not appoint the Qiblah which you were on except to …..” we are told of a previous Qibla which God appointed, however we are not told if this Qibla was appointed specifically to Muhammad, or if it was appointed before the time of Muhammad and when Muhammad came it was the Qibla being followed. The words in 2:143 do not say “We did not appoint FOR YOU the Qiblah which you were on except to …..” As a result, the test of who follows the messenger, could be speaking about a previous people and their messenger.

When we read the words of the following verse the matter becomes clearer:

[2:144] We have seen you turning your face about the sky, thus, We now assign you to a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Masjid Al-Haram.

1- The question here is if God appointed for Muhammad a previous Qibla through inspiration, as the claim above states, then why would Muhammad be turning his face around the sky in search of a Qibla to follow?

The state of Muhammad being unsure which Qibla to follow is evidence that he never received inspiration from God prior to the revelation of 2:144 about a specific Qibla. It follows that all the Qibla’s which were appointed by God previously were appointed before the time of Muhammad.

2- The second question is that if God appointed a previous Qibla for Muhammad, to test his people as to who will follow the messenger, then it would not be possible for Muhammad, the servant of God, to reject it or have aversion to it.

However, the words “We now assign you to a Qiblah that is pleasing to you” indicate that the previous Qibla/s were not pleasing for the prophet. Would a previous Qibla inspired to Muhammad from God (as the above claim states) not be pleasing to Muhammad?

Once again, these words confirm that the previous Qibla’s spoken of, and which were previous to the appointment of the Masjid Al-Haram, were not appointed specifically for Muhammad but were appointed at a previous time and for previous people.

These previous Qibla’s, which the prophet was undecided between and thus turning his head in the sky, belonged to the previous people of the book. The Prophet was turning his head undecided between several Qibla’s because the previous people had more than one Qibla as we read in the following verse:

[2:145] Even if you were to produce to those who have been given the scripture every kind of miracle, they will not follow your Qiblah. Nor will you follow their Qiblah. They do not even follow each others' Qiblah and if you follow their wishes, after the knowledge that has come to you, then you would be among the transgressors.

To sum up, the evidence from the above verses indicate that Muhammad did not receive a previous Qibla from God. However, even if he did receive such inspiration, this information is not required by us to practice Islam. For us, our Qibla is the Masjid Al-Haram. Any information of any previous Qibla is only of historic relevance.

As a result, the above claim that we could not follow Islam by following the Quran alone is a false claim.

There are biblical references to the Qiblah if you want--ask me if you want to see them.

In the Quran we know that God appointed previous Qiblah's for other people (as in 10:87) we can say that some of the Qiblah's that were practiced could have been from God, but we can also accept the possibility that some of them may have been man-made. What matters is that the Quran tells us that each people had their own Qiblah as shown below. As a result, in the early years when the prophet received the command to observe the Salat, he was uncertain as to which Qiblah to follow. This verse gives the impression of someone who is not able to make up their mind as to which Qiblah to face. The indecision indicates the plurality of the choice (of Qiblah's), if there was only one Qiblah there would be no indecision. The verse also indicates that the indecision was more of a reluctance to follow other people's Qiblah rather than being a problem of establishing one's positional direction. This is confirmed by the words : "We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you". The words "pleasing to you" indicate that prior to that there was something that was displeasing the prophet. If the prophet received a Qiblah inspiration from Allah, he wouldn't find it displeasing.

 

So let's suppose you take your eyes away from the numerous signs ordering us to obey the messenger 

I've already explained and put up logical premises defending my point. If you disagree with any of my premises let me know and we will discuss.

In coming : More rants and acrobatic displays

I'm very interested on what you mean by acrobatic explanations and acrobatic displays.

Are you saying that analyzing something very closely (like I have been doing), forming logical arguments and critical reflection of the Quran is an invalid methodology?

Analyzing something in depth to explain it (like I did with Quran 2:143) is not some kind of invalid method.

In fact, the Quran wants us to ponder/reflect on it:

[This is] a blessed Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded. [38:29]

Critically analyzing something is not something invalid as explained by the Quran.

I will be as clear and consise as possible.

If you claim that there is another source of law besides the Quran, show me where in the Quran this is stated. You have not done this and this is because it is NOT stated in the Quran. 

If the Quran does not authorize another source of law besides itself, you fail. It is hopeless for you. You have to accept the reality.

I keep answering it day in day out but you seem to lack common sense and the basic understanding of BOTH Arabic and English . Indeed , we don't believe in anything after the signs and revelations of Allah . That includes Sunnah as it is a revelation of Allah as all these previous signs say clear as day . The prophet peace upon him doesn't innovate of his own in religion . That's your delusion .

 You say the sunnah is a revelation of Allah yet provide absolutely NO evidence thereof. Why should we believe you?

The prophet does NOT innovate in this religion, PEOPLE innovate and say the prophet did it.

I again will post Quran 45:6 as your failure to understand it is very disturbing.

Quran 45:6 "These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which statement other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?"

What does the word "THESE" refer to?  If I write a book and within the book I say "THESE are the sentences that we write to you. What statement will you follow besides me and my sentences". What does not refer to? It refers to the sentences of the Book. So when ALlah says THESE are my revelations that I recite to you, it means the Quran is Allah revelations that are recited to you--in what statement besdies Allah's revelations (Quran) will you beleive.

THis verse makes it absolutely clear there is no room for Sunnah. Show me how this verse does not and you have an argument. You cannot prove your statement that the Sunnah is a revelation from Allah by just restating it. You must show that Quran 45:6 doesn't make it clear that the Quran is the ONLY source! We both know it does make it clear and that is why you do not produce a counter-argument.

You just restate your argument....How is that supposed to prove your case?

So you're that eager to run away with your tail between your legs ? And again , I am no brother of an enemy of Islam like you . You miserable low life form went as low as to deem the entirety of the Islamic nation disbelievers destined to hell except the great you who will go to heaven . You've bee saying it about me all the time and I beared with it . But you crossed the line . This is war . There is no room for compromise or sweet talk .

I ask again, am I the one to state that the majority of the "Islamic" nation are disbelievers, or did the Quran?

The Messenger will say, my Lord, my people have deserted this Qur’an. (25:30)

Not only that I have told you this argument is a logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. Yet you still persist. I don't understand. This must be some form of reluctance.

83:34 So Today those who believed are laughing at the disbelievers, 35 On adorned couches, observing. 36 Have the disbelievers [not] been rewarded [this Day] for what they used to do?

We will see who laughs linckin . And I swear it won't be you with your current twisted mentality .

Indeed we will see who laughs. The follower of the Quran which states that it is the only source of law or the follower of his corrupted nation who  states that there is another source of law besides the Quran.

So you'd go as low as to accuse Allah of contradiction . It is very SICKENING when I see the likes of you write signs they don't understand just to justify their blasphemy . If you had the slightest bet of common sense , you wouldn't have dared make such a ridiculous statement . Let's see the signs in their context :

25:30 And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned." 31 And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the criminals. But sufficient is your Lord as a guide and a helper. 32 And those who disbelieve say, "Why was the Qur'an not revealed to him all at once?" Thus [it is] that We may strengthen thereby your heart. And We have spaced it distinctly. 33 And they do not come to you with an argument except that We bring you the truth and the best explanation.

So who are those people ? Considering that the verb is in the past tense , it talks about something that already happened while the prophet was delivering the message and not your ill fantasies . The people here are the pagans of Makkah , Quraish , his people . That's how sane people understand the sign , and that's how scholars understand the sign :
http://www.alro7.net/ayaq.php?sourid=25&aya=30

Now I have enough evidence that you truly don't understand the Quran. The good news is, this misunderstanding can be fixed only if you are willing to accept it.

The context of Quran 25:30 is speaking about the day of resurrection and what happens after this life. The prophet will say, Oh Allah, my people have abandoned the Quran. Of course it is in the past tense, this verse is talking about the prophet telling this to Allah in the future (day of resurrection). Let me give an example:

"Five years from now, I say: My people have abandoned the Quran". Now why was the second part of the sentence past tense??? Because it was me speaking in the future about the past! if you notice, the verses before Quran 25:30 were ALSO in past tense and they were about the disbelievers stating: "Oh I wished I had listened to the prophet's warning". Why is that in past tense?

Secondly, if people forsake or abandon the Quran, that means that the had to have already been following the Quran. So they followed it, then abandoned it.

So from this we conclude that Quran 25:30 is speaking about how people will abandon the Quran after following it. This cannot be about the meccans because the meccans never followed the Quran in the first place. How could they abandon/forsake something they never followed?

This verse is not only limited to the Quraish, it is about EVERYONE who abandoned the Quran. It predicts that in the future people will abandon the Quran.

What I'm saying you miserable low life is that your statment - in that premetive view - contradicts itself . Using your statment , I can say people are guided as they follow the way of the prophet . Keep deluding yourself that you're guided and all else will go to hell . You are nothing close to guidance , you and the likes are POISON to the nation . A vile virus that needs to be exterminated . You hold absolutely no respect to Islam and its teachings . You take your desires as Gods you worship . Not to mention your utmost stupidity , retarded logic , and folligh statements contradicting each other . You take that puny brain of yours as holy think you understand everything . While Allah says he will explain Quran , every sane person can see that it is through the prophet peace upon him in spite of you and the likes of you . On the other hand , you're so twisted as to think you recieve revelations that the prophet didn't . You think you're the only one who understands among the entirety of humanity . When you make a blasphemous statement such as that Allah explains Quran especially to you , you have to bring evidence from Quran or Sunnah . And you will always fail miserably with any of them . The almighty Allah is far greater beyond imaginable to talk with such a low life like you . He sent a prophet with guidance and truth for them to reign over all else in spite of disbelievers and in spite of you . That prophet is the one whom Allah explains the noble Quran through , not a nobody like you . Your opponent is Allah . And while you don't equal the shoes of a scholar , there is no room for comparison between you and the almighty , not that there is between him and anything else at all . I'm not the one rejecting his words , YOU ARE .

I hold respect for True-Islam. Not your corrupted version. It is hard to call your version Islam. That is how deviant it is from the Quran.

I don't recall saying that I will recieve revelation. Allah does explain the Quran and I have stated HOW. Did you even read it. Go back to my previous post and I put up an entire description of HOW allah explains the Quran. Go back and read it. I told you that I expect a counter-argument--and you have made none.  Go back to my last post on this thread, I underlined that I want to see a counter argument to the fact that Allah HAS explained the Quran through the Quran.


You are rejecting Allah's words as it has been made clear to you many times. You have not shown me how I am rejecting Allah's words. All I am doing is showing you Allah's words.

So enough with the rant and long posts . I'll finish it directly .

1 - Quran orders us to obey the messenger and what he teaches as they are revelations from Allah himself in numerous places throughout the noble book . If you try to make a ridiculous attemot such as claiming Quran is complete and doesn't need anything else to explain it in such a premetive way of understanding then you are accusing Allah of contradicting and that's where I will immediately say you are a vile "Kafir" flat out . It IS complete when it tells us to obey the messenger . If you don't believe in that then don't dare call yourself a Muslim .

Finally, now we get into the meat of the matter.

The Quran DOES order us to obey the messenger--I have never denied that.  The Quran did not authorize another source of law besides it. Are you suggesting that Allah is contradicting himself when he says that the Quran is the only source of law/fully detailed and then says that the messenger has more details than the Quran? Is that really what you are suggesting?

The short rebuttal; To obey the messenger means to obey the message. The message is the Quran. If we obey the messenger, we obey the Quran thus we obey Allah.

The long rebuttal: There is no indication that you are to follow the Sunnah, because the prophet's sole duty is to give the message and the Quran has informed us that the message is in THIS BOOK (Quran) and that this message is complete. DONE! NO room for sunnah.

The word Messenger is derived from the word Message. A Messenger delivers a Message. If there was no message there would be no messenger. To Obey the Messenger would thus mean to obey the message he is delivering.

Prophet Muhammad is a chosen man who was of fine character and he was given the duty of delivering the Quran, he did that successfully.

So lets study some verses about the sole duty of prophet Muhammad according to the quran.

Sura 5:99
The SOLE DUTY of the messenger is to deliver the message and God knows everything you declare and everything you conceal

Sura 72:23
I only deliver God's words and messages.

Sura 5:67
O you messenger, deliver what is revealed to you from your Lord - until you do, you have not delivered His message.

Sura 5:92
And obey God and obey the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that the SOLE DUTY of the messenger is the deliverance (of the message).

Sura 64:12
And obey God and obey the messenger, but if you turn back, then upon Our messenger is the SOLE DUTY of the clear delivery (of the message).



Let's Summarize this one more time and I will bold it and increase the size so that it is emphasized

YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE MESSAGE, UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE MESSENGER. IF YOU FOLLOW THE MESSAGE, YOU FOLLOW THE MESSENGER

The whole point of these verses, is Allah reminding you that if you don't follow the messager, you are not following the message. The messenger gives the message and you follow the messenger.

The messenger did NOT add anything to Allah's message as is made clear by Allah's message.

2 - You have absolutely no basis to believe in Quran using your rotten logic . You can't deny the possibility that it was corrupted or altered . You can't prove that a man named Muhammad existed . And if you bring that Da Vinci code garbage again I'll throw it immideately with the rest of garbage . This describes you as a blind believer . You don't have any logical reasons to believe in Islam . Following this rotten line of thinking you take leads us to deny history in its entirety .

EVEN if I had no basis to believe in the Quran, it doesn't mean the Quran leaves room for the sunnah. Do you understand how inconsistent your logic is?

But, I DO have a basis to believe in the Quran. If you are referring to the 19 code of the Quran as Da Vinci Code and call it garbage--I can easily dismiss it as you have not studied such a code. When you do, you will understand the basis to believe in the Quran. I do have logical reasons to believe in Islam--you are just ignorant of the complexity of the 19 code in the Quran. It is not me, it is you.

3 - You rejectors are the most ignorant of Quran . You have no basis for your acrobatic explanations . You rant about how you're the only ones who understand Islam . While the fact is you can't explain a thing with Quran alone . You contradict the book itself ! You can't explain how to pray . You can't explain how to perform pilgrimage . You can't explain a thing . Whenever you are faced with this you used your personal opinions and liking .

EVEN if we can't explain these things, it doesn't mean the Quran or Allah authorized the sunnah or another source of law.

We cCAN explain how to pray, pilgramage. Who says we can't. The explanation though, will obviously be different from your corrupted understanding of prayer/pilgramage/wudu etc.

I'm seriously getting sick and tired of this . So let's make it short . The signs ordering to follow the prophet and in turn tell that there is a nother kind of revelation are numerous . If you deny that , then YOU are the one being an apostate .

You have not mentioned one sign that authorizes another source of law besides the Quran. Not ONE.

I have already told you that you are the one who needs to convert to Islam, pal. Not me. I am a Muslim by the Quranic definition.

The people of Monotheism invite you to bring forth your proof if you speak the truth .

http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/forum.php

I didn't bother at first but apparently deeming whole nations destined to hellfire isn't something to pass as if it's nothing . They want to see your so called evidence in what you claim . So what's your answer ?

I've already suspected that you go there anyway to mention my points onto them.

So what you will do, is you will go to that website and tell them my arguments and then they will tell you how to respond and then I will respond here. That's fine with me. In an arabic forum, I will not be able to pass my points across efficiently as I would in an English forum.

Let me make it clear that this isn't the only forum that I spread the knowledge of Quran-Only Islam. I am on many forums, even the shia forums so I could show them the true path of Islam.

I do consider the Shia's and Sunnis deviant. And I do consider them disbelievers by the Quranic definition. They will recieve their punishments. And your argument from popularity for the LAST time is a fallacious one. So I don't want to hear it again. The fact that you keep commiting this fallacy means you are arrogant and reluctant to believe in truth.

I again will tell you that the Quran predicts that Islamic nation will abandon the Quran in 25:30 and I have already told you that your argument from popularity is fallacious. So you cannot keep saying that the whole Islamic nation cannot be wrong. I have given you Allah's word that they WILL be wrong and a logical reason to show that your argument is fallacious.

PLEASE read up on this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Your argument remains meaningless . I'll make it short : Sunnah is the revelation of Allah . End of the story . When I believe in Quran and follow it , I am OBLIGED to obey it when it tells me to obey the prophet peace upon him .

Where is your proof that sunnah is a revelation from Allah? None.

You have NOT made a counter argument against the verse that defeats the sunnah being a revelation of Allah. I will re-state. I ask that you prove me wrong--which you continuously fail to do.

Quran 45:6 "These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which statement other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?"

THESE are God's revelation that gets RECITED to you. So in what statement other than God and his revelation (Quran) will you believe?

Does this verse leave any room for the sunnah or does it make it clear that the Quran is the only statement you are to believe in?

If you reject the teachings of the prophet because you want a filthy animal like a dog in your house then that's your own bloody problem . And unlike you , when we don't understand something , WE ASK ! In your case , arrogance and worship of your so called "logic" forbid you to do so . If a narration doesn't narrate an order from the prophet or a teaching , then it narrates incidents and writes them down including his high morals and ethics . What does that mean ? It means the Islamic nation doesn't cherrypick its history .

And no one , I say NO ONE here deserted Quran except you . I can almost bet you don't read it at all except when you want to misquote and lie about it to support your ideologies . YET another cheap - pathetic - attempt to corrupt the other's picture . And you talk about that Homing nonsense ?!

They are NOT teachings of the prophet. The prophet is forbidden to teach anything besides the Quran. You have read the verses I present and made no counter-arguments. That is when we KNOW that you are the one failing to grasp Allah's message.   

I think it is over brother, You have lost. No arguments made, just more rants. I think there is a level of arrogance that you can meet where it is just hopeless for you. I'm truly sorry you are failing Allah's test.

I will ask again, present Quranic verses that validate the sunnah (another source of law/revelation). I know you won't because no such verses exist. Like I said, it is hopeless for you. You have 2 options:

1.) Leave your arrogance aside and accept Allah and the Quran
2.) Continue persisting arrogantly and await your humiliating punishment (just as 45:8)

4:115 And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.

A whole nation cannot be misguided . If you say it can , then your opponent isn't just that nation , the companions , and the prophet peace upon him , not at all , your opponent is the almighty himself . So take your Argumentum ad populum and shove it down the nearest toilet .

Let me ask you this, Who is opposing the messenger? You or me? The messenger never gave another source of law, because Allah said the only source is the Quran.

And a again a whole nation can be misguided. you are again making the argumentum ad populum fallacy. If you cannot accept logical fallacies and tell me to shove it down the toilet, then that when I know you are either too arrogant to accept the reality or remain irrational.

A fallacios argument does not give you any credit.

Secondly, a whole nation WILL be misguided as the Quran informs us:

The Messenger will say, my Lord, my people have deserted this Qur’an. (25:30)

As I had said before, it is hopeless for you. There is no way out of this, you have to face the reality that the sunnah is not Allah's revelation and the nation currently is misguided.

My opponent is that nation. That sick, twisted, corrupted nation that calls itself submitters to Allah. What a shame. Shame on you, shame on every sunni, shia and all the other cults. This nation you are following is NOT the ummah of the prophet.

99.99% against 0.01% . A losing battle .

Argument from popularity fallacy.

And what deludes you that YOU are right in your explanations ? Here we are , every freaking nobody opens his/her mouth and rant nonsense following YOUR line of thought . These are the same people who say a woman can wear a bikini in public , these are the same who say one can follow Judaism or Christianity and go to heaven . Using your twisted logic , you have no right object . You keep ranting how God will explain Quran to you . As if Allah the almighty would talk to you personally and make revelations to you that he didn't to his prophet ! Exalted he is from what you describe ! That's one the dubmest and lamest excuses I've ever heard ! Any bloody person can explain things however he bloody wants with that !! That is why there is a need for people of knowledge . This is a basic common sense for any field of knowledge in life . I wouldn't bring an ironsmith to fix my TV , neither am I gonna bring a joiner to fix the kitchen sink . That said , we DEFINITELY won't let some unknown nobodies talk whatever they want about Quran and Sunnah .

Twisted logic, I'm not committing logical fallacies and continue to commit them even after I know they were fallacies, pal.

Secondly, your underlined statement above means that you reject that Allah guides us? Really? Is that how low you can go? -->Especially when Allah said that HE will also explain the Quran? You rejecting Allah's words?

So your argument is that the prophet had to explain the Quran to everyone, even us. Well this argument falls flat on its face! Let me further show you how bad your argument is:

(Please please slowly read the entire thing-I expect a counter-argument for this!)

While it is correct to state that the messengers duty was not restricted to merely reciting the Qur’an to his people, as is evident by the words: "...He will give them the knowledge of the Book ..." (2:129), it is also an incontestable fact that the books of traditions that are upheld by varous sects and attributed to the messenger, do not contain the explanation of each and every verse of the Qur’an. What exists in those compilations are some ascribed paradoxical reports limited to certain verses only. No book of tradition contains the complete commentary and explanation of the Qur’an from Surah Al-Fatiha, the first chapter to Surah An-Naas, the last chapter, that it could attribute to the messenger of Allah.

This being the case, the question arises that how did the messenger confer the knowledge of the Book of Allah to his audience? And where can we find those explanations? The Qur’an provides us the adequate answer to these questions of extreme importance.

Allah informs us that His Book has been kept independent of all sorts of traditions for its exegesis, by indicating that the Qur’an is its own commentary.

The Qur'an is not like an ordinary book, such that most other books discuss a specific topic at one place and have their subjects compiled and bifurcated within specific chapters.

Unlike this, the Book of Allah has its topics spread out throughout itself within various chapters. For example, if we were to ascertain as to what Allah's Book says about the topic of divorce we find verses dealing with the subject of divorce in Surah Al-Baqara which is the second Surah (chapter) of the Qur'an, Surah Al Nisa the fourth Chapter , then in Surah Al Ahzaab the thirty third chapter and further in Sura At Tal'aaq which is the sixty fifth chapter of the Qur'an.

By compiling all the verses about the topic of divorce as discussed in all the locations of the Qur'an we come to know what the Book of Allah has to say about this subject. And we observe that each verse clarifies and explains the other. It is by this manner that Allah Himself has dealt with different subjects in His Book, i.e. by repeating topics in various chapters throughout the Qur'an. The manner of exegesis is <Tasreef ul Ayaat> or recurrence and repetition of subjects within the Qur’anic verses, and it is by this method that the Book of Allah deals with various topics and provides its own explanation. We are reminded:

<unzur kaifa nusarriful a_ya_ti la'allahum yafqahu_n>

"See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65)

<Wa laqad sarrafna_ lin na_si fi ha_zal qur'a_ni min kulli masal(in), fa aba_ aksarun na_si illa_ kufu_ra>


"And certainly We have repeated for mankind in this Quran, every kind of similitude, but the majority of mankind do not consent to aught but denying." (17:89)

Allah Himself has circulated topics within His Book, and what is unclear at one passage is made distinct by another verse in another passage within the Qur’an itself. One verse will throw light on the other. Furthermore we are informed that the messenger of Allah also explained the Qur’an by the Qur’an itself:

<Wa kaza_lika nusarriful a_ya_ti wa liyaqu_lu_ darasta wa linubayyinahu_ liqaumiy ya'lamu_n>

"And thus do We repeat the verses and that they may say: You have read; and that We may make it clear to a people who know." (6:108)

It is evident from the above that the messenger’s lectures on the Qur’an were based on <tasreef_ul_ayat>, i.e. recurrence of Ayat, to clarify topics within the Qur’an. The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by this manner, and the Qur’an was clarified by the Qur’an itself. This is further supported in Surah Al-Furqan, where a certain objection of the unbelievers is identified:

<Wa qa_lal lazina kafaru_ lau la_ nuz zila alaihil qur a_nu jumlataw wa_hidah kaza_lika linusab bita bihi fu a_daka wa rat talna_hu tartila_Wa la_ yatu_naka bimasalin il la_ jina_ka bil haq qi wa ahsana tafsira>

"The unbelievers say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed gradually) that We may strengthen thy heart thereby and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow well-arranged stages gradually. And no example do they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth and the best explanation." (25:32-33)

The above verses inform us about a matter of grave importance. To the objection of unbelievers as to why is not the Qur’an revealed all at once, it is stated that the Qur’an is revealed in stages due to the following reasons:

1.) So that the messengers heart may be strenghtened. This is confirmed when it is stated: "Thus (is it revealed gradually) that We may strengthen thy heart thereby and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow well-arranged stages gradually." Hence the messenger was encouraged and enjoined to be stead fast by the revelation of Qur’anic verses.
2.) So that the arguments that the unbelievers may bring forth should be answered sufficiently by ‘Haqq’, i.e. the Qur’anic truth. As it is stated: "And no example do they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth.."
3.) The third reason for the gradual descent of the Qur’an is to provide <Ahsan_ul_Tafsir>, i.e. the best explanation and exegesis of Allah’s Book.

<Wa la_ yatu_naka bimasalin il la_ jina_ka bil haq qi wa ahsana tafsira>

"And no example do they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth and the best ‘Tafsir’ (exegesis)" (25:33)

Thus Allah revealed verses which provided Tafsir of other verses themselves. What remained ambigous in one verse, its clarification and exegesis was provided by Allah Himself by the gradual descent of other verses of the Qur’an. Hence Allah provided the Tafsir of the Qur’an by the Qur’an itself, and did not make His Book dependent on any compilations of traditions for its exegesis. It is by this manner that Allah gave the Tafsir of His Book to the messenger and the messenger inturn conveyed to his audience. The messenger did not give any separate book of Tafsir to the Ummah as the Tafsir of the Qur’an which he imparted on the Ummah was contained inside the pages of the Qur’an itself.

While it is identified that the Qur’an explains its self by repetition of verses, we are also instructed to ponder and reflect on Allah’s Book, for the message of the Qur’an will be evident to those who will strive to comprehend its meaning and conduct research on it. It is mentioned that those who will use their faculties of understanding and engage in an inquiry into the meaning of the divine message, for them the Qur’anic verses will be rendered plain:


"Thus do We make the verses distinct for a people who reflect." (10:24)


"Indeed We have made the verses distinct for a people who will utilize their understanding." (6:98)

Along with stating the above, we are also advocated to ponder and reflect on the Book:

"A Book We have revealed to you abounding in good that they may ponder over its verses, and that those endowed with understanding may be mindful." (38:29)

Thus the injunction to reflect and ponder over the Book has been given for all generations, so that in the light of divine guidance they seek the solutions to the problems of their times. The meaning of the Qur’an will be made clear by the repetition of verses and likewise people are asked to use their abilities of reason and intellect to understand the Qur’an. The following verses shed further light in stating that the meaning of Allah’s Book will be evident by <Tasreef ul Ayat> and it is in this manner that Qur’an should be understood:

" See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65)

"See how We repeat the verses, yet they turn away (from the truth rendered by recurrence of Ayat)." (6:46)

Note: the word for 'repeat'  is also correctly translated as 'explain'. So if Allah explains the verses in the Quran through the Quran, is there really a need to follow the prophet's explanation of the Quran? All we need to do is read the Quran to understand it! We don't need another revelation to understand it.

It is Allah, who is the ‘Mufasir’ i.e commentator of the Qur’an, and the Tafsir of one verse was provided by the revelation of other verses which would throw light on the subject under discussion. Thus it is said:

"Ar-Rahmaan (The Beneficent God). It is He who teaches the Qur’an." (55:1-2)

Not only was the revelation, compilation and protection of the Book taken up by Allah himself, but also its explanation. As we are informed:

"Do not move your tongue with this (Qur'an) to make haste with it. Surely on Us (devolves) the collecting of it and the reciting of it. Therefore when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it." (75:16-19)

Here Allah relieves the prophet from explaining the Quran and says the duty is on Allah.

Hence it is Allah who provides the Tafsir of His Book by <Tasreef ul Ayat>, that is, by repetition of verses.

I hope I made it clear to you.

In hopes of making it even more clear, I have one more verse you need to read:

"We know best what they say, and you are not one to compel them; therefore remind him by means of the Quran who fears My Promise." (50:45)

Thus Allah commands the messenger to admonish people by the Qur’an, and the messenger confirms himself that his mission is "Admonishing with the Qur’an", not any other book!

cause I'm not a scholar or someone qualified , I do have a hard time calling you "Kafir" . Somone ignorant of anything of the sort would just rant whatever he wants however . So go ahead and call the majority of Muslims through the entire history as that , that's when I won't hesitate to say that your act is "Kufr" .

I know you do brother, it is because I am following the Quran. I have no issue with calling anyone a kaffir if they reject even ONE quranic verse.

FALSE . The nineteeth sign of Al-an'am is as follows :

Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

It says that Quran is a revelation . It doesn't say there is no other revelation with it . Do you understand the joke now ?

Aha! The whay is defined as the Quran! Not the sunnah! What is the wahy? the Quran. Why would Allah neglect to mention the sunnah if we were to follow it?  In fact, WHERE in the Quran did Allah mention this alleged other source of revelation/law besides the Quran?

Plus did you forget about the other verses that state that the Quran is fully detailed, and that we are only to follow THESE verses??

So back to my argument:

'Also, the next verse 53:4 says that what he speaks is nothing but wahy - revelation. And wahy is defined in 6:19 as the Quran."

Is wahy defined anywhere in the Quran as the sunnah or just as the Quran? Wahy is defined as the Quran.  Especially when the Quran is the only source of law as defined in 6:114 and 45:6?

The wahy that the prophet received is the Quran. did the Quran say there is another wahy?? We both know it didn't. Wahy is therefore defined as the Quran.

The messenger of Allah is ordered to deliver what has been revealed on him. . Now what are those divine teachings and laws that are revealed on the messenger? The following verses clarify as to what consists of "what has been revealed to you".

"And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit." (16:89)

Thus it is the Book of Allah which contains the clarity for all matters requiring guidance, that has been revealed on the messenger. In Surah An-Nisa, the divine teaching received by the messenger is again identified as:

"Surely We have revealed the Book to you with the truth that you may judge between people by means of that which Allah has shown you; and be not an advocate on behalf of the treacherous." (4:105)

Once again it is the book of Allah which has been identified as the divine teaching which has been bestowed upon the messenger and through which the messenger himself is to judge people.

"And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you;" (5:48)

It is confirmed that the messenger received the Book of Allah and he is to govern among people by Allah’s Book and he cannot deviate the slightest bit from the Qur’an. Now it has been confirmed by the above and many other verses in the Qur’an that the messenger has received the Book of Allah as divine teaching. Now what is that teaching that the messenger is to pass on to people, through which they are admonished by him? What is this book?

So what is this book? In 6:19, we learn it is the Quran.

"Allah is witness between you and me; and this Quran has been revealed to me that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches." (6:19)

The book, the revelation that the prophet Muhammad received is the QURAN.

In all these instances, Allah did not mention another revelation besides the Quran (the book). So HOW can you possibly assert that there is another revelation the prophet received besides the Quran!!! The only wahy is therefore the Quran, the book.

Then why do you fail in writing the signs ? Or maybe you fear you'll be exposed ?

16:44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

6:114 [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.

Looking at the first or the second sign , you can't claim that it denies there is a revelation with Quran that explains it for people .

There is NO revelation with the Quran that explains it for people. What there is is the prophet making evident/clear the the people that the Quran was sent down to them and he would preach the Quran through ONLY the Quran. He would not add anything to the book that is fully detailed and the ONLY source of law.

The prophet explained to the people what the Quran wants them to do. Let me give you an example.

A man goes to the prophet and asks him how to do wudu for Salat, so the prophet would show him that by reading 5:6 to him, so the prophet SHOWED him what the Quran says, this is the meaning of 16:44 .... The prophet did not guide the man, for if the man does not accept the Quran there is nothing the prophet can do, he cannot guide anyone, he can only show them what the Quran tells them to do. All the prophet did was teach the man what the Quran requires him to do.

A failing attempt . You claim you explain Quran with Quran and that's a laughable lie . What about THIS sign ?

42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.

So in or out , the prophet peace upon him explains the noble Quran for people .

Did I reject that the prophet explains the noble Quran for people? I said the prophet and Allah had that role.

 I stated that the prophet explains the Quran and DOES NOT add anything to the Quran. He does not make a sunnah or a way of life or other commandments other than the Quran--this is because the Quran is the only source of law.

Secondly, if you look at that verse you stated--the messenger is not the only mechanism in which Allah can explain the Quran because another mechanism is using a partition.

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If someone asks him how to do wudu, the prophet would recite the Quran and tell them exactly what it says without adding anything to the Quran--since the Quran is the only source of law

And where did you bring THAT from ? How could you know that he used to do this when someone asks him ? How could you know there was a man named Muhammad to begin with ? In or out , you'll have to admit that you need Sunnah to view history . And I would like to see you bringing the way Muslims perform it from Quran . Oh right , we are all doomed to hellfire because you said so .

The Quran. The prophet can not add his own teaching to the Quran. That means he cannot add more steps to the wudu. He can only show them the steps in the Quran. This of course, rejects the sunnah.

Then say it flat out . You follow a religion other than Islam so don't call yourself a Muslim ! It is finally revealed . We are no "brothers" . This is a clear fight between right and wrong , belief and disbelief ! Your insanity reached a level of claiming everyone except you and the likes are destined to hell . There is no word to explain this . Ignoranc was a thing , arrogance was a thing , but this , this madness , this outrageous madness , it leaves no room for doubt , you , are an enemy of Allah and his prophet . And I don't show a shred of holding back in battles against such enemies .

Am I the one claiming it, or is Allah almighty telling you that the nation of Islam will be all wrong and most of them will be destined to a punishment.

The Messenger will say, my Lord, my people have deserted this Qur’an. (25:30)

It is a clear fight between right and wrong. Absolutely. You just have realize who is wrong here. Your corrupted tradition that the prophet received another source of law besdies the Quran (which contradicts the Quran).

Now I would support you as a Muslim if you stated that:

1.) The prophet did not add anything to the Quran when explaining it--he just showed people what the Quran requires them to do
2.) The ONLY source of law is the Quran and both the prophet and Allah had a duty in explaining it

Once you support these 2 points, you have to reject the Sunnah (the other source of law besides the Quran)--which means you have to reject all the extra laws that are not found in the Quran.

Once you support these 2 points, you become a Muslim.

It is important that you take these Quranic words seriously brother, for your own soul,
do not turn a blind eye to the words of God in the Quran.
 
Why is it so difficult to believe all the words of God which I showed you?
 
Do you want to be sorry on Judgement day and say I wish I did not let my ego blind me from the truth?
 
I am here to help you as a brother and a friend, but I cannot do so unless you decide to believe the Quran.

I hope you find yourself on the right path.

Hi Mclinkin, :/ You seems to be very rude.

And I have a right to be considering the corruption that entered into Allah's religion. What a shame. This bitterness develops with the more lies and deceptions I see in Allah's religion. Indeed Allah and the prophet would be ashamed of what has come of their ummah.   

Quran 45:6 These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what HADITH after Allah and His verses will they believe?

There is no room for these hadiths and these lies that entered into Islam. This verse specifically tells us that THESE are the verses that get RECITED and that you are NOT to believe in any religious statement other than what is in the Quran.

How about the verses that come right after the one above?

Quran 45:7-9 Woe to every sinful liar Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment. And when he knows anything of Our verses, he takes them in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. Before them is Hell, and what they had earned will not avail them at all nor what they had taken besides Allah as allies. And they will have a great punishment.

So I come with tidings of punishment to every sunni, shia and all the heretic sects of Islam--Just as the Quran commands me to.

There is no human punishment apostasy, there is no direct heaven for martyrs, the prophet's name is not to be mentioned every time when you declare that there is no God but Allah , the prophet is not to be idolized, women do not have to wear the head cover etc. etc.....It is a shame that you make laws that Allah did not authorize.

”Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” The Word of your Lord is complete in truth and in justice” 6:115
”This is not fabricated ‘hadith’; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a guidance and mercy for those who believe” 12:111
”We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance and mercy and good news for the submitters” 16:89

In spite of the very clear words: “fully detailed”, “details of everything” and “explanations for everything” the corrupt interpreters somehow still claim that the Quran does not include all the details! Sadly, they claim that the Quran has only mentioned the major outlines of the religion while as the details of everyday rituals are only to be found in the Hadith and Sunna!

These false claims only go to expose these people’s ignorance of the Quran, and also their disbelief in God's words.