Need answer please

[Sharon]

Assalam alikum I very confused by verse 15:18 in this verse it says (except if they snatch one a clear burning flame follows them) my problem is the arabic word mubīnun it means visible to see but we can't see the gamma rays with the naked eye and if we say it means fire mass well we can't see that either with the naked eye the only thing is a shooting star a meteor but a meteor does not produce it's own light and they don't come from stars so that causes problems with 67:5 when it says stars are used as missiles the fire so I need help

[QuranSearchCom]

Wa Alaikum As'salam Sharon,

The Glorious Quran talks about certain STARS and other FLAMING CELESTIAL OBJECTS shooting flames by His Will those whom Allah Almighty cursed in space.  I have thoroughly demonstrated this with scientific evidence at:

www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm

No burning "STAR" (notice the double quotes here) is invisible in space.  All of them can be seen with the naked eye.  They're not as glorious as our sun would appear during the hottest and more bright days on earth, but they do, nonetheless, give off light and can be seen.  And Allah Almighty talked about our day layer does glorify the sun's rays:

www.answering-christianity.com/sun_rays_miracle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

So are you say the meteors give of gamma rays is that what you are saying because like I said 15:18 says we can see a burning flame move follow in other words see a flame move and we can't see gamma rays or flames move except meteors but meteors don't produce there own light please forgive me it's not that o disagree it's just I find it confusing 15:18

[QuranSearchCom]

It doesn't say we can see it.  MUBEEN means UNDENIABLE.  It also means clear.  It also means SOMETHING THAT IS FIGURED OUT.  Again, undeniable.  You're adding words into the Glorious Quran.  This is where the Holy Quran's TABAYYANA LAHU (became clear to him) تبين له  comes from.  TABAYYANA and MUBEEN have the root word, BAYAN or BAYYIN. 

It is quite feasible that the creations of the SMOKELESS FIRE (i.e., the Jinns) can be hit hardest from rays that come from stars, pulsars, dark matter that we know little about, get tangled, stuck and struck in the Comic Web, which science has recently confirmed its existence, while it was mentioned in the Glorious Quran 1500 years ago, and so on.  It's very plausible.  No contradiction here.  We just simply don't know the unseen world.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[QuranSearchCom]

Dude.  Your name is quite silly.  You named yourself "Sharon <removed>" in your email, yet, you can't even speak English.  Quite gay.  And your Arabic sounds like an Arab Christian's one.  He only knows the stupid slang Arabic of today, but the Quranic Classical Arabic is FOREIGN to him.  You stink in both English and Arabic.  And you're gay for naming yourself after a woman.

Right Sharon?  You're still welcomed to post here.  But I want you to know that you NEED NOT to resort to these silly ways.  You can come clear as a disbeliever and you will not be bothered.  I've had LONG THREADS of discussions with disbelievers before here on this board.  Here is an example:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,868.msg2616.html#msg2616

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

Assalam alikum I am a women and I am a muslim I was just confused that was all yes my arabic is not that good because I don't speak arabic I am english and I use my mobile witch sometimes puts the words I don't want to use there is no need to speak to me like that I'm your sister in islam

[Sharon]

But the word undeniable and clear means we can see it something with a flame

[Omar Ahmed]

So does saying that Allah swt is undeniable means that Allah is seen?

[Sharon]

Ok so you are saying is if we got hit by it then we could see it but it doesn't mean we have to see it is that correct but 2. Why is the arabic word mubīnun used in all other verses to mean to see something and 3. It sounds like the verse is talking to us humans saying we get them with a flame you can see clear undeniable but your answer is very good tho I just need a bit more info that's all thanks jazzakkallah

[Omar Ahmed]

Maybe we can help if you show us where in the Qur'an the word  mubinun  means to see something.
Maybe you misunderstood some of its meanings

[Sharon]

26:32 : So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest. So it says people can see the snake in moses time and many other verses where prophets say I'm a clear warner so that means people can see them as a warner and what about 37:10 where it say piercing brightness flame so it means it can pierce through darkness like stars and meteors so it all sound like it has to be a flame in the sky that we can see like stars and meteors and the only thing we can see move is meators but that would cause a problem with 67:5 because meteors don't come from stars atall and this is what I am confused about

[QuranSearchCom]

Yes, it was CLEARLY a live snake, and not a fake one.  Moses, peace be upon him, CREATED FROM A WOODEN STICK, - through Allah Almighty's Will, - a live snake and not a fake one.  It was not a magic trick.  It was real.

As to the piercing light, it doesn't refer to light or material that we will be able to see here on earth by merely looking up.  Allah Almighty did speak in multiple Noble Verses about mankind will discover the Universe out there and will reach what is beyond this earth.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.wmv
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm



Who said Meteorites??

Allah Almighty Said that the Jinns are created from SMOKELESS FIRE.  And Allah Almighty also Said that He uses some stars TO SHOOT the evil ones from them.  From where did you get rocks and meteorites from??

Did you read the article that I gave you above:

www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm

[067:005]  And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

Here the JINNS are struck with RAYS from the LAMPS.  Yet, humans, when they reach the deep space, they'll be met with:

[055:035]  There shall be sent against you a flame of fire, and molten copper; and you shall not be able to help yourselves.

‏55:35 يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران


Also, scientists have confirmed that stars are "Giant Plasma Weapons".  This is what they called them.





Section #3 proves its about PULSARS!

The accurate description of the Glorious Quran regarding the stars that shoot the JINNS perfectly matches NASA's descriptions of the PULSARS.  Read the article, please:

www.answering-christianity.com/shooting_stars_miracle.htm


There are a lot more Noble Verses and explanations.  Please read the article.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

Ok thanks jazzakkallah so are verse 55:35 and 37:10 connect or separate since one is meant to be talking about meteors and the other is talking about gamma rays

[Sharon]

Also even tho I agree with what you said about 37:10 but it says stars are piercing brightness and we of course we can see the stars so how do we explain that with the 37:20 but thanks for your help jazzakkallah

[QuranSearchCom]

Ok thanks jazzakkallah so are verse 55:35 and 37:10 connect or separate since one is meant to be talking about meteors and the other is talking about gamma rays

May Allah Almighty bless you as well.  Ameen.

Noble Verse 37:10 speaks about rays shooting the jinns.  Noble Verse 55:35 speaks about both rays and molten metals striking humans when they go deep into space.  So while the physical molten metals may not effect the jinns, since they are not flesh and blood like us, but it would definitely effect us, and also effect our space ships that we would be in.

Notice that Allah Almighty never spoke about any molten metal striking the jinns.  Only rays; gamma rays and rays of other material.  The molten metals were mentioned only for us humans, to inform us on what to expect when we penetrate the deep space.  Plus also the gamma rays would also be another thing to watch for, as they too are mentioned in the same Noble Verse.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  May Allah Almighty continue to bless you and keep you in Islam.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[QuranSearchCom]

Also even tho I agree with what you said about 37:10 but it says stars are piercing brightness and we of course we can see the stars so how do we explain that with the 37:20 but thanks for your help jazzakkallah

Mubeen is referring to them up there.  It doesn't mean that we would see it here on earth.  Again, Noble Verse 55:35 speaks about humans penetrating the deep space, and be met with molten copper and gamma rays.  Do we see the molten copper and the rays, in space here on earth, when we look up to the sky?  We do not.  So Noble Verse 37:20 is not saying that those rays are visible for us here on earth when they're ordered to strike certain jinns.


Also, let us examine the Noble Word MUBEEN in the following Noble Verses:

81:19 انه لقول رسول كريم
‏81:20 ذي قوة عند ذي العرش مكين
‏81:21 مطاع ثم امين
‏81:22 وماصاحبكم بمجنون
‏81:23 ولقد راه بالافق المبين
‏81:24 وماهو على الغيب بضنين
‏81:25 وماهو بقول شيطان رجيم

[081:019] Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger,
[081:020]  Endued with Power, with rank before the Lord of the Throne,
[081:021]  With authority there, (and) faithful to his trust.
[081:022]  And (O people!) your companion is not one possessed;
[081:023]  And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon. بالافق المبين
[081:024]  Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
[081:025]  Nor is it the word of an evil spirit accursed.

Can you and I, here on earth, see the place where Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, stood to speak with Allah Almighty?  Is it visible here to us on earth?  No it is not.  Yet, MUBEEN was used to describe it.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

Thanks jazzakkallah but 2 last points 1. when it says prophet muhammad peace be upon him saw him in verse 81:23 some people say he saw Gabriel because of course the prophet did not see allah in his form and 2. What I meant stars peircing and we can see is verse 86:3 stars peircing so we can see stars peircing brightness so how do we explain these last 2 things it was my fault for the 2 one because I didn't put the verse sorry jazzakkallah but thank for the help

[Sharon]

And what about the verse 44:10 where it says look for visible smoke when it comes visible being mubeen

[QuranSearchCom]

The piercing star in Noble Verse 86:3 is also a star that makes knocking sounds [1].  Allah Almighty called it in Noble Verses 86:1-2 AL-TARIQ.  Here are a few examples:

1-  TARAQA albab means he knocked on the door.
2-  MITRAQA means hammer.
3-  TARQ means knocking, hitting by causing noise.  It doesn't mean punch, because punches don't make knocking sounds.

Ask any Arab Christian about these meanings, and he/she will confirm them.  Also, ask Google.   This is basic Arabic.  So AL-TARIQ star is a star that makes knocking sounds [1].  And it is also a piercing one.  Scientists have recently confirmed that PULSARS DO EXACTLY THAT.  Pulsars:

1-  Making knocking sounds.  I already have links to NASA recordings of the sounds.
2-  Emit rays that are piercing.  Scientists also confirmed this very recently, and I quoted them.


As to the visible smoke that we will see, yes, indeed, it will be undeniable that Judgment Day is coming.  Just like death when it approaches the ill person to take him.  It would be undeniable to that person.




The Prophecy about Space and Science:

Please visit the following link:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm

The fact that mankind was ignorant about many of the things about space, and the fact that Allah Almighty promised to show us His Divine Signs in space and throughout science, proves that MUBEEN for the rays that striks the Jinns are the rays that will be discovered by mankind and become known to him.

So it was not MUBEEN to them, nor the knocking sounds were heard by them, but mankind eventually discovered and confirmed the stars that do have this combination.  Just like the MUBEEN SMOKE of the Day of Judgment.  We haven't seen it yet, but when it comes, it'll be MUBEEN, and there will be no mistake about it.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  Jazaka or Jazaki Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

Ok thanks jazzakkallah so conclusion is that mubeen flame just means it a flame that is manifest  but it not that we can see it but that we could if we found it like now by teliscopes but not have to be by the naked eye is that correct and also that the jinns can see it if there the ones getting hit chased by it if they go up that far then there see it like us but not by the naked eye on earth by us or jinn by the naked eye on earth but only if we or jinn go up there or by teliscope that it is manifest but only if we see it like go up there or by seeing it by teliscope for us and jinn etc is this correct jazzakkallah

[AMuslimDude213]

Ok thanks jazzakkallah so conclusion is that mubeen flame just means it a flame that is manifest  but it not that we can see it but that we could if we found it like now by teliscopes but not have to be by the naked eye is that correct and also that the jinns can see it if there the ones getting hit chased by it if they go up that far then there see it like us but not by the naked eye on earth by us or jinn by the naked eye on earth but only if we or jinn go up there or by teliscope that it is manifest but only if we see it like go up there or by seeing it by teliscope for us and jinn etc is this correct jazzakkallah

Now that is one confusing question
Mind=blown

[AMuslimDude213]

No  offense but really,it is confusing,try to write with better english.Not trying to make fun but your english is kinda..it needs to be worked on.

[Sharon]

I have said this before I am using a mobile so I'm trying to keep it to the point if I write everything properly I would be here all day I don't have a computer if I did it would be put down properly ok

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum sister Sharon,

Yes, the flames that strike the Jinns are MUBEEN for the reasons that you summarized, which were also elaborated on by me, above.  Please do not hesitate to ask more questions.  We are all here to help you, insha'Allah.

Jazaki Allah Khayr.  May Allah Almighty continue to strengthen your faith in Islam, and also protect you as well.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah