Jinns are not flesh and blood. They can't eat our dust and water and flesh and blood materials.
Evidence from Quran or Sunnah ? I didn't think so . I saw people denying things because they are physically - but NOT logically - impossible . The problem here is that it is neither physically OR logically impossible . And you're talking as if you met Jins and saw their structure and everything . I can safely say you didn't .
Akhi, I read your sources and I am not convinced. The Noble Verse that you mentioned in Arabic by the way is about Prophet Moses' Miracle when he turned the stick into a snake. Peace be upon Prophet Moses. It doesn't say that he got bewitched or anyone got bewitched.
OK , seriously , ARE YOU SERIOUS ?! How can anyone understand anything except that ?!
65 They said, "O Moses, either you throw or we will be the first to throw." 66 He said, "Rather, you throw." And suddenly their ropes and staffs seemed to him from their magic that they were moving [like snakes].
Your forcing your cult's nonsense into the Holy Quran to justify the crimes that had been injected in your "Sahih"
It seems the difference between us isn't some minor disagreement but rather in fundamental basics . And I won't ease for anyone when it comes to that .
wipe the floor with:
1- The Prophet of Islam.
2- Aisha, the Prophet's wife.
3- Claiming that the Holy Quran is corrupt, when Its Overwhelming Miraculous Text and Compilation and Miracles testify to the Holy Book's Divinity.
May the lord wipe the floor with YOU ! Don't you have the slightest jealousy or love for the prophet peace upon him to NOT insult him ?! I took insults directed at me from an ear and had them out of the other . But this is just outrageous to hear from supposedly Muslims . It's not OK to repeat - literally - the insult someone directed at you , but when it comes to Allah , Islam , and the prophet peace upon him , then that's sweet !!
This sick and dumb
And you have the nerve talk about emotional rant ?
Both of you are criminals! Not all of your followers. But this Ummah's problems come straight from both of your cults. Like everyone here sees, you're willing to wipe the floor with Islam to save your false narrations. This is not my Islam. Far be it from me.
It is clear to everyone right now that this is no more a simple conversation . This is a battle between right and wrong . I CARELESS about Shia's . So slam them with the nearest wall if you want . The prophet peace upon him named the surviving group and said it's the one following him and his companions . So trying to insult someone with "Salafi" as in someone following the prophet peace upon him is like what the people of Lut peace upon him said :
But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."
And no one is threatening Islam except those who want it to match their personal liking . The ones who deny whatever there is if they can't comprehend "how" it's done . Just like the guy who denies the existence of the car because he doesn't understand how it can move without a horse pulling it . And evidence and proof are between us .
You want to believe that Aisha used to have her sisters and nieces have their breasts get SUCKED BY GOWN MEN so she would become their "Aunt in Islam" and then have private sessions with them, then that's your BS. I reject such garbage,
Since you decided to take it that low , don't expect any "Akhi" or "Brother" treatment . First of all , the main problem is your ignorance of what رضاع means in Arabic . I mentioned it in the last reply but it seems I'm talking to dead men here . Here's the explanation in qoutes :
لا بد من توضيح شيء مهم جدا وهو :
ان معنى الرضاع لا يكون بالضروري التقام الثدي
ومنه قول الشاعر
وذموا لنا الدنيا وهم يرضعونها * * * أفاويق حتى ما يدر لها رسل
عن عائشة –رضى الله عنها- أن سالماً مولى أبى حذيفة كان مع أبى حذيفة
وأهله فى بيتهم فأتت (تعنى ابنة سهيل) النبى فقالت : إن فى نفس أبى حذيفة من ذلك شيئاً فقال لها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : "ارضعيه تحرمى عليه، ويذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة" فرجعت، فقالت : إنى قد أرضعته، فذهب الذى فى نفس أبى حذيفة"
سؤال اذا كان أبوحذيفة رضي الله عنه في نفسه كراهة بوجود سالم فكيف يرضى ان يرضع بالتقام الثدي ؟؟
قال ابن عبد البر : صفة رضاع الكبير أن يحلب له اللبن ويسقاه، فأما أن تلقمه المرأة ثديها، فلا ينبغى عند أحد من العلماء
وقال عياض : ولعل سهلة حلبت لبنها فشربه من غير أن يمس ثديها، ولا التقت بشرتاهما، إذ لا يجوز رؤية الثدى، ولامسه ببعض الأعضاء.
قال الإمام الزرقاني : "وكأن القائلين بأن ظاهر الحديث أنه رضع من ثديها، لم يقفوا فى ذلك على شئ فقد روى ابن سعد عن الواقدى عن محمد بن عبد الله ابن أخى الزهري عن أبيه قال : كانت سهلة تحلب فى إناء قدر رضعته، فيشربه سالم فى كل يوم، حتى مضت خمسة أيام،فكان بعد ذلك يدخل عليها وهى حاسر،رخصة من رسول الله لسهلة"
وبهذا نستبعد أن الرضاع حصل بالملامسة ، للرواية من جهة ولرأي الجمهور من جهة أخرى .
فجمهور الصحابة على أن قصة سالم واقعة عين خاصة به، ولا يصح الاحتجاج بها لغيره، وتابع على ذلك جمهور علماء الأمة من التابعين فمن بعدهم، وانفردت عائشة –رضى الله عنها- مع قلة من الفقهاء منهم : عروة بن الزبير، وعطاء بن أبى رباح، والليث بن سعد، وابن علية، وغيرهم رأوا أن قصة سالم عامة، وأن إرضاع الكبير يثبت به التحريم وللكل وجهة نظر ودليل
ثم ان عائشة –رضى الله عنها- ومن قال بقولها من الفقهاء فرأوا أن قصة سالم عامة للمسلمين، لمن حصل له ضرورة : وللكل في هذا الخلاف وجهة نظر ودليل، ولم يكن لهذا الاختلاف بينهم أى أثر فى اعتقادهم صحة الحديث، الذى يحاول دعاة الفتنة وأدعياء العلم تضعيفه أو النيل من عدالة رواته، ومن أخرجه من الأئمة الأعلام فى كتبهم.
And these are some links about it :
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?2641-%E3%E6%C7%CC%E5%C9-%C7%E1%D4%D1-%C7%E1%E3%D3%CA%D8%ED%D1-%CD%E6%E1-%E3%D3%C3%E1%C9-%D1%D6%C7%DA-%C7%E1%DF%C8%ED%D1&p=20787#post20787http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?126-%C7%E1%D1%CF-%DA%E1%EC-%D4%C8%E5%C9-%D1%D6%C7%DA-%C7%E1%DF%C8%ED%D1http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?9252-%C7%E1%D1%CF-%DA%E1%EC-%E3%E4-%D8%DA%E4-%DD%ED-%CD%CF%ED%CB-%C5%D1%D6%C7%DA-%C7%E1%DF%C8%ED%D1Further more , that was an opinion by the mother of the believers may Allah be pleased of her and she was mistaken in it . What , you'll say she's divine and doesn't do anything wrong ? And even so , it doesn't touch her validity in any way .
You want the wipe the floor with Islam and the Prophet of Islam for believing the poisonous lies about him got bewitched, then that's your nonsense and your problem. This is not my Islam. I don't believe a Jew (notice it's a Jew, not a pagan) stole a piece of hair from the Prophet, did abakadabra on it, then hid it under a rock and caused the Prophet to get bewitched for 1 full year is true. I believe it is a false lie injected into Islam.
It is your nonsense and load of garbage to deny the noble Quran where it says clearly that Moses peace upon him was bewitched .
And while we're at it. Has your cult been able to find the so-called chained dajjal in the "island"? They inspected all of the Middle East's Islands and found non. And so far, no Island in the entire world has any chained dajjal.
Screw your inspections and satellites ! Do you view yourselves as Gods ?! Are you so foolish and deluded as to believe you can attain all the knowledge there is ?! What's the difference between that and the bloody Atheists ?! Just because you are utterly ignorant of something doesn't mean it's not ture ! Furthermore , whoever said he is chained on the Arabian Island ?!
عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرٍ الصِّدِّيقِ - رَضِيَ الله عَنه - قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - قَالَ: ** الدَّجَّالُ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ أَرْضٍ بِالْمَشْرِقِ يُقَالُ لَهَا خُرَاسَانُ يَتْبَعُهُ أَقْوَامٌ كَأَنَّ وُجُوهَهُمْ الْمَجَانُّ الْمُطْرَقَةُ } حديث صحيح رواه الترمذي .
How can you be so deluded as to believe that they know ALL there is on Earth ?! They bloody don't know what's in their bloody noses !! Day after day , they discover something new and admit they were wrong before . Time after time , they discover new islands here and there , in addition to islands surfacing from the bottom of the sea . And further more , this isn't even PHYSICALLY impossible . If your so called inspectors can know everything then NO ONE they chase would be able to hide . They wouldn't have chased criminals here and there . But it's just the disease of arrogance and the belief that your so called "logic" is supreme and can decide what's right and wrong in any way and any case . Add to that sheer ignorance of fundamental and important basics and rules in Islam which you see yourself higher than learning them .
And thus far , you only sprouted nonsense of "I don't believe , I don't think , that doesn't make sense" . Well screw your screwed sense ! If we refuse everything because mad men "don't find it logical" then we should forget life as we know it . You made your personal - lacking - abilities of comprehending the standard to decide right and wrong . You just ignored Quran , Sunnah , and any and everything else . All that matters is your personal "I don't think so" ! Your problem is deep to the core ! To the basics of the methodology ! And any non Muslim can just say "You claim this narration is wrong because it contradicts Quran ? Well I say it is true and it does contradict it and thus Islam is wrong" and BOTH of you are bloody wrong !! He's deluded and thinks it contradicts it . And you are full of arrogance to ask about what you can't understand ! And if your logic actually works , you should deny the whole Islam because Quran itself mentions things physically impossible but logically possible . A scholar once said something close to this :
قد يأتي القرآن بمحارات العقول و لكنه لا يأتي بمحالات العقول
And with a rough translation it becomes :
Quran might say things our minds are confused with , but it never says things impossible to logic .
The problem is in the hadith collections. To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.
Well keep your nonsense to yourself ! Both Quran and Sunnah are revelations from the almighty . This basic knowledge we are taught in the first elementary year !
I don't understand what is the big deal to flush out the false narrations when the collectors of the hadiths themselves did that before.
That's either a lie or ignorance . No scholar rejected anything based on his personal opinion . There is a whole science of narrations - that is the best humanity can have - which you see yourself too important to learn . A science that inspects a single alphabet or even the way that alphabet is said . With help o Allah , they were able use this science to know the true from forged . Fact is , they didn't need it at first , but with liars and unknown people here and there talking however they want , it was necessary or we would have become like Jews and Christians and their unknown writers . THAT'S how they deemed a narration weak or wrong . Claiming that they are forged means to call the whole body of scholars liars and conspirators . And I can almost swear that you don't have the smallest shred of knowledge about right and false narrations . It's just what you prefer that matters .
Did not Imam Ahmed choose his collection from what he claimed 1,000,000 hadiths? That's one million. I believe the number is too ridiculously high, and this is a lie on his mouth, but it is nonetheless there. Similarly, did not Bukhari say that he chose his hadiths from 600,000? That's six hundred thousand. So why can't we today clean out the absurd lies and only take what agrees with the Holy Quran?
Again , the thing of "I believe" goes to the nearest trash dumb . No science or form of knowledge follows this way . And it seems it would kill you to look over Google for a possible explanation . But nooooooooo "The great me can never misunderstand anything" apparently .
Is that too much to ask? Do we really need to read about how the Prophet lived, and what food he ate, and how he even used to do the #2 in using the bathroom (seriously!!), and how he had sex with his wives, and what dramas took place between his wives, and who was the hypocrite and who wasn't, and what dramas and conflicts took place between the Muslims, and what civil wars happened between them, and which side should you be on? Do we need all of this rubbish?
Rubbish my foot ! This is called honesty and truthfulness ! We don't just shove everything aside because you mister "don't believe" it is necessary . Islam is a whole way of life . YES , it teaches you how to do a load of things in a right way even cleaning after using the bathroom . Or maybe you don't want it to teach people to use water in this case ? Oh wait , you DON'T DO THAT IN USA !! Your bathrooms don't have the basic and important thing called "water" to wash . And here's something just to shock you more about using the toilet while sitting :
http://www.babble.com/kid/10-reasons-why-you-should-teach-your-sons-to-pee-sitting-down/http://mentalfloss.com/article/53154/should-men-sit-down-peeThere . You just had to make me show the other face . Insults against myself are meaningless . Absurd slanders and ridiculous claims against Allah and his prophet are the red line . You showed that your sole reason for rejecting whatever the flip you want to reject from Islam is your personal "I don't think , I don't believe , I believe" . That is , from the bottomline , meaningless in methodology and any form of knowledge .
So what now ? You'll ban me for inappropriate talk ? Check your own words again pal .
