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Offline Isa27James

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Christians use the book of revelation to disprove Islam
« on: November 11, 2013, 02:11:13 PM »
Assalam alykam  as you know   christians try to use the book of revelation prophecies

regarding  anti christ and false prophet

they say its isa pbuh and imam mahdi

here is a video of a Muslim brother talking about the coming of Isa pbuh and imam mahdi and the dajjal  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hNuI-mgBM


christians try to fit what it says in revelation with  Islamic prophecies 

 they try to say  the beast is Isa and the imam mahdi is the dajjal  or they say that one is the false prophet and one is the anti christ mentioned in revelation

ive seen the refutation to this on AC already

in our islamic prophercy  Isa will annoint people on the forhead as mentioned in the video above 

they say Musilms will be fighting the Jesus of the bible and thinking they are fighting the anti christ,,  they say this because  they say why would Jesus fight against Israel and they say God is coming back

is the book of revelation just hearsay  is there any truth in the book of revelation  or is it just some one on a  acid trip writing a book  ???     why do Christians believe in it so much ???

they say Jesus speaks through book of revelation   

i know a little bit of knowledge on the history  of book of revelation


their  strong argument hey use is that the book of revelation  mentions a religous leader is the anti christ and they say the muslim leader has similarities  and characteristics as imam mahdi

 where do they get this information ???    what is the best way to shut them up


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Re: Christians use the book of revelation to disprove Islam
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 07:55:50 PM »
No here is the problem brother.

There is no Dajjal as per Quran. Why would hadiths have something else besides the Quran once the Quran has told you it is fully detailed in religious matters?

How did this Dajjal story get into the Hadiths? By ancient Jewish/Christians who converted to Islam.

You have hadiths telling the fradulent biblical story that Eve was created from Adam's rib...You have hadiths telling the fradulent biblical story that Allah created humans on Friday and on saturday he did something else. These are not Quranic. Those are based off of the bible. Its a shame that biblical corruption has reached Islamic teachings.

The whole point is to not trust hadiths. They may contain some truth in them, but you simply cannot accept hadiths that deviate from the Quranic saying.

As for the book of revelations and many bible prophecies, Christians have been saying many many things about it. If there is a dajjal/antichrist, then this person applies to any leader. For example, some say that Barack Obama is the anti-Christ. It is just nonsense upon nonsense.

Imam Mahdi? Seriously, biblical corruption is so much like hadith corruption. Imam Mahdi will come and we will follow him. Lets imagine that Hadiths can get corrupted (they CAN, we have seen it), why wouldn't someone like Satan corrupt them and make Imam Mahdi be the good guy for example? The Quran is the book to follow.

SO which side do I take, biblical or hadith? Neither. I take the Quran and I follow whichever leader supports my book. Leave it at that. None of that end of the world dajjal nonsense which originates from Christianity. Perhaps some Christian Hypocrite may have even wanted to make Imam Mahdi purposely the Christian version of the Anti-Christ and corrupted Hadiths...How can we know if hadiths have so many contradictions.

Its because of Hadiths we get the 72 virgins lie. It is because of hadiths we get 6 literal day creationist Muslims. It is because of hadiths we get evolution deniers.

[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.


[Quran 39:23] God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.

Lets take a look at this:

[Quran 4:82] ............If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

If Hadiths were from God in their present state, we wouldn't find numerous contradictions. Yet we have contradictions among the sahih hadiths. Take a look: http://asimiqbal2nd.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/contradictions.pdf

Bible has contradictions in its present state = present state of the bible not from God.  Simple as that.


Muslim Creationist origin:

"Sahih" Muslim book 39 hadith 6707

Abu Haraira reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) took hold of my hands and said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and lie caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i.e. between afternoon and night.

Light was created after plants...hmm...where do we find this nonsense...Oh,yeah, the bible!

Why doesn't the Quran have this nonsense? Isn't that a strong thought? Yet Muslims blindly accept this crapshoot. Hadiths would remove the sect scene. No more shia, sunni etc. All Muslims unite in following ONE hadith--the Quran.

Quran Alone. God Alone.

Important note: Some hadiths may contain truth into them even through they have been passed down through generations orally. In which case, it is important to note that we should not blindly deny hadiths either. We should take them with a grain of salt and not base our faith in them. We must say that there may be some truth in them. If you have a hadith that completely supports the Quran and says exactly what the Quran says--you accept them. If you have hadiths that contradict the Quran..you deny them. If you have hadiths that have something deviant from the Quran or says something 'new', you do not accept them, you look at them with a grain of salt!
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Offline ThatMuslimGuy

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Re: Christians use the book of revelation to disprove Islam
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 08:03:47 AM »

Muslim Creationist origin:

"Sahih" Muslim book 39 hadith 6707

Abu Haraira reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) took hold of my hands and said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and lie caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i.e. between afternoon and night.



I recomend you read my blog:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.com/2013/10/clarifying-issues-heavens-and-earth.html

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So what we find is that this hadith is gharabah (being against other sources) and is 'ma'lul' (defective). Furthermore it is believed not to be a statement of the Prophet SAW but of Abu Hurairah and also it is said to be an Israelite tradition. So this hadith cannot be attributed to the Prophet SAW.

 

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