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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / IMPORTANT:THE BIBLE IS NOT WHAT THE QURAN IS TALKING ABOUT IN 4:136, 2:285,etc
« on: January 07, 2014, 03:25:16 PM »
THIS IS MY REBUTTAL TO Dr.NABEEL QURESHI AND ALSO ANSWERING-ISLAM ON QURAN's TESTIMONY OF BIBLE . PLEASE VERIFY THIS AND ADD IT REBUTTALS SECTIONS OF THIS WEBSITE
I had an argument with a Christian https://plus.google.com/+mohammedzayed97/posts/iGax4um9BXW
and i refuted the false claims , again
THE COMPLETE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE GOSPEL WHAT QURAN IS TALKING ABOUT
you are still not understanding the point , I have Given Better Reply to you then ever before , All references are provided except for obvious ones and I hope you will
be convinced
Making you Understand that Bible" is not the "injil"or the "torah" in the Quran is Sufficient. All those verses saying that we should believe in the torah and and injil , I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH NO DOUBT
BUT , " IS BIBLE THE INJIL "
1.First lets see its literal meaning
you are telling me not to take opinions and you are coming up with opinions and again a complete miss-interpretation.
The Injil means Gospel , notice the WORD IS SINGULAR so therefore is talking about a particular Gospel .
The Word bible means Book in Greek and translated to Arabic means Kitab. and now you tell me where is the bible mentioned in the Quran .
Dear Brother Check those verses you yourself quoted on "Quran asking us(muslims) to follow the Bible" and It is clearly mentioned "Gospel" and NO WHERE IN THE QURAN THE WORD "GOSPELS" EXISTS
Now , is your Bible a Gospel or Gospels ?
Clearly , Your Bible contains 4 "Gospels" or more, I am not sure but what is important is that THE BIBLE IS A BOOK CONTAINING "GOSPELS"
So The Question is which "Gospel" is the Quran Talking about
http://quran.com/5/46
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was
guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous
so by this verse of the glorious Quran It is clear that Allah is Talking about the "GOSPEL OF JESUS"
Now Open your Bible , Show me "THE GOSPEL OF JESUS"
you will find gospel according to mark , luke , john,etc BUT I CHALLENGE YOU THAT YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" or "GOSPEL OF JESUS"
Any Body reading the bible will tell that it was written in REPORTED SPEECH and IS IN THIRD PERSON ,
WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE FIRST PERSON BOOK WRITTEN BY JESUS .
or The Book which was revealed to him . The Next verse
http://quran.com/19/30
[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.
so it is clear That The INJIL MENTIONED IN THE QURAN IS THE BOOK OR GOSPEL OF JESUS OR THE BOOK WHICH WAS REVEALED TO JESUS .
COMMING TO THE TORAH , "The bible is THE TORAH" can be also refuted by the same argument as done earlier . BUT HERE ARE VERSES CONFIRMING TO WHOM THE SCRIPTURE WAS
REVEALED TO or WRITTEN by.
And they did not appraise Allah with true appraisal when they said, " Allah did not reveal to a human being anything." Say, "Who revealed the Scripture that Moses
brought as light and guidance to the people? You [Jews] make it into pages, disclosing [some of] it and concealing much. And you were taught that which you knew not -
neither you nor your fathers." Say, " Allah [revealed it]." Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves.
http://quran.com/6/91
"We gave unto Moses the Scripture, and We appointed it a guidance for
the Children of Israel, saying: Choose no guardian beside Me." Qur'an 17 : 2
"Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the
Prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and
the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to
observe, and thereunto were they witnesses." Qur'an 5 : 44
Then, when the anger of Moses abated, he took up the tablets, and in their inscription there was guidance and mercy for all those who fear their Lord.
Qur'an 7: 154
(Copied from http://www.mostmerciful.com/torah%20revealed%20to%20moses.htm)
When you take the Literal Meaning and the Context you find that the INJIL AND THE TORAH in the QURAN IS NOT THE BIBLE .
2. History
Since it is clear from the two verses I have quoted 19:30 and 5:46 The book was revealed to jesus and jesus had it .
Now, I would like you to go to Dr.Nabeels Website , or answering Islam or anti-Islamic websites, Check out the Historical Records of Bible and tell me who was the
bible written by or who it was revealed to
this is the video by unchanging word confirming that it was not Jesus P.B.U.H who wrote the bible . Yet he calls the bible as "Injil" to indicate that both are the
same .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMcPmsRz-8&list=PL740A81A0BA0FE450
YOU WILL FIND THAT NOT ONE WORD OF THE "BIBLE" WAS WRITTEN OR RECORDED DURING THE LIFE TIME OF JESUS . ANY SOURCE OF HISTORY IS FAIRLY SUFFICIENT .
you Being a Christian and seeing the Knowledge you have , I don't understand why Christians are still holding on to the "word of God" when a Third Person( who listened to Mathew , mark , luke , john ) wrote it and only 10% of the Bible are the Words TOLD BY JESUS .
Why NOT CHECK THE APPENDIX OF THE REVISED STANDARD VERSION OF THE BIIBLE , THE AUTHORS OF THE FIRST TESTAMENT AND GOSPELS ARE CLEARLY GIVEN.
Isnt this the reason why the word Bible is not even mentioned once in the whole Bible(because it did not exist at that time ) . The word "Christianity" or "Christian" was never told by Jesus . The word "trinity" is not there in the bible . Jesus never told "worship me" or "I am God" .
whereas when you compare the Quran , I would like you to check "history of the Quran" or even this video by unchanging wordon the History Of Quran again And notice How
again he refers the "injil" as the "Bible" even though the two words not similar in meaning or context . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6lXj6ryxE
And This is From Wikipedia "history of Quran"
After Muhammad would get revelations he would memorize the Qur'an by ear, and later recite it to his companions, who also memorized it or wrote it down. Before the
Qur'an was commonly available in written form, speaking it from memory prevailed as the mode of teaching it to others.
And From the book of Dr.Bilal Philips " The true Message of Christ " , Page 33 and 34 , and at the bottom of the page refrences are also provided for you to Judge
from .
it reads " The same principles of Analysis which were applied to bible manuscripts by Bible Scholars and which exposed the the flaws and changes , have been applied to the Quranic Manuscripts gathered from around the World . Ancient manuscripts found in library of Congress in Washington, The chestor beatty Museum in Dublin , Ireland , The London Museum , as well as Museums in Tashkent, Turkey and Egypt From all periods of Islamic history, have been compared . The result of all such studies confirm that there has not been any change in the Text from its Original writing "
Now YOU understand what historical evidence I was talking about ?
So I would like to conlude , That the Bible is not the "Injil" or "torah" the Quran is talking about , BOTH IN ITS LITERAL MEANING AND CONTEXT AND ALSO HISTORICAL VERFICATION .
Furthermore , QURAN DOES NOT SPEAK OF ANY SCRIPTURE REVEALED TO CHRISTIANS.
YOU CAN REFER THE VERSES EARLIER, AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THE TORAH AND INJIL IN CONTEXT OF QURAN WAS NOT REVEALED TO CHRISTIANS BUT THEY WERE FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL AND ALSO FOR MUSLIMS ( you proved this in your comments )
The "injil" was never a book revealed to Christians . The Jesus p.b.u.h was the Prophet TO Children Of ISRAEL ( jews) BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN CONFIRM THIS .
Trinity word mentioned in the Quran ( absent in the Bible ) 4:171 , 5:76
Quran mentioning that it is the Quran ( Bible is absent in the bible ) 15:9
Quran talks about GooD Christians who are closest to Muslims in Faith 5:82
Guide us to the straight path , the path upon which you have bestowed your mercy not of those who have evoked your anger nor of those who are who have gone astray .
Inshallah i hope atleast now you understand what 1:6-7 meant and those who have gone astray .
PLEASE FEEL FREE COMMENT BACK WITH MORE CRITCISM OF QURAN WHICH YOU HAVE OR CONTACT ME VIA EMAIL
Peace upon you
I had an argument with a Christian https://plus.google.com/+mohammedzayed97/posts/iGax4um9BXW
and i refuted the false claims , again
THE COMPLETE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE GOSPEL WHAT QURAN IS TALKING ABOUT
you are still not understanding the point , I have Given Better Reply to you then ever before , All references are provided except for obvious ones and I hope you will
be convinced
Making you Understand that Bible" is not the "injil"or the "torah" in the Quran is Sufficient. All those verses saying that we should believe in the torah and and injil , I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH NO DOUBT
BUT , " IS BIBLE THE INJIL "
1.First lets see its literal meaning
you are telling me not to take opinions and you are coming up with opinions and again a complete miss-interpretation.
The Injil means Gospel , notice the WORD IS SINGULAR so therefore is talking about a particular Gospel .
The Word bible means Book in Greek and translated to Arabic means Kitab. and now you tell me where is the bible mentioned in the Quran .
Dear Brother Check those verses you yourself quoted on "Quran asking us(muslims) to follow the Bible" and It is clearly mentioned "Gospel" and NO WHERE IN THE QURAN THE WORD "GOSPELS" EXISTS
Now , is your Bible a Gospel or Gospels ?
Clearly , Your Bible contains 4 "Gospels" or more, I am not sure but what is important is that THE BIBLE IS A BOOK CONTAINING "GOSPELS"
So The Question is which "Gospel" is the Quran Talking about
http://quran.com/5/46
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was
guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous
so by this verse of the glorious Quran It is clear that Allah is Talking about the "GOSPEL OF JESUS"
Now Open your Bible , Show me "THE GOSPEL OF JESUS"
you will find gospel according to mark , luke , john,etc BUT I CHALLENGE YOU THAT YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" or "GOSPEL OF JESUS"
Any Body reading the bible will tell that it was written in REPORTED SPEECH and IS IN THIRD PERSON ,
WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE FIRST PERSON BOOK WRITTEN BY JESUS .
or The Book which was revealed to him . The Next verse
http://quran.com/19/30
[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.
so it is clear That The INJIL MENTIONED IN THE QURAN IS THE BOOK OR GOSPEL OF JESUS OR THE BOOK WHICH WAS REVEALED TO JESUS .
COMMING TO THE TORAH , "The bible is THE TORAH" can be also refuted by the same argument as done earlier . BUT HERE ARE VERSES CONFIRMING TO WHOM THE SCRIPTURE WAS
REVEALED TO or WRITTEN by.
And they did not appraise Allah with true appraisal when they said, " Allah did not reveal to a human being anything." Say, "Who revealed the Scripture that Moses
brought as light and guidance to the people? You [Jews] make it into pages, disclosing [some of] it and concealing much. And you were taught that which you knew not -
neither you nor your fathers." Say, " Allah [revealed it]." Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves.
http://quran.com/6/91
"We gave unto Moses the Scripture, and We appointed it a guidance for
the Children of Israel, saying: Choose no guardian beside Me." Qur'an 17 : 2
"Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the
Prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and
the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to
observe, and thereunto were they witnesses." Qur'an 5 : 44
Then, when the anger of Moses abated, he took up the tablets, and in their inscription there was guidance and mercy for all those who fear their Lord.
Qur'an 7: 154
(Copied from http://www.mostmerciful.com/torah%20revealed%20to%20moses.htm)
When you take the Literal Meaning and the Context you find that the INJIL AND THE TORAH in the QURAN IS NOT THE BIBLE .
2. History
Since it is clear from the two verses I have quoted 19:30 and 5:46 The book was revealed to jesus and jesus had it .
Now, I would like you to go to Dr.Nabeels Website , or answering Islam or anti-Islamic websites, Check out the Historical Records of Bible and tell me who was the
bible written by or who it was revealed to
this is the video by unchanging word confirming that it was not Jesus P.B.U.H who wrote the bible . Yet he calls the bible as "Injil" to indicate that both are the
same .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMcPmsRz-8&list=PL740A81A0BA0FE450
YOU WILL FIND THAT NOT ONE WORD OF THE "BIBLE" WAS WRITTEN OR RECORDED DURING THE LIFE TIME OF JESUS . ANY SOURCE OF HISTORY IS FAIRLY SUFFICIENT .
you Being a Christian and seeing the Knowledge you have , I don't understand why Christians are still holding on to the "word of God" when a Third Person( who listened to Mathew , mark , luke , john ) wrote it and only 10% of the Bible are the Words TOLD BY JESUS .
Why NOT CHECK THE APPENDIX OF THE REVISED STANDARD VERSION OF THE BIIBLE , THE AUTHORS OF THE FIRST TESTAMENT AND GOSPELS ARE CLEARLY GIVEN.
Isnt this the reason why the word Bible is not even mentioned once in the whole Bible(because it did not exist at that time ) . The word "Christianity" or "Christian" was never told by Jesus . The word "trinity" is not there in the bible . Jesus never told "worship me" or "I am God" .
whereas when you compare the Quran , I would like you to check "history of the Quran" or even this video by unchanging wordon the History Of Quran again And notice How
again he refers the "injil" as the "Bible" even though the two words not similar in meaning or context . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6lXj6ryxE
And This is From Wikipedia "history of Quran"
After Muhammad would get revelations he would memorize the Qur'an by ear, and later recite it to his companions, who also memorized it or wrote it down. Before the
Qur'an was commonly available in written form, speaking it from memory prevailed as the mode of teaching it to others.
And From the book of Dr.Bilal Philips " The true Message of Christ " , Page 33 and 34 , and at the bottom of the page refrences are also provided for you to Judge
from .
it reads " The same principles of Analysis which were applied to bible manuscripts by Bible Scholars and which exposed the the flaws and changes , have been applied to the Quranic Manuscripts gathered from around the World . Ancient manuscripts found in library of Congress in Washington, The chestor beatty Museum in Dublin , Ireland , The London Museum , as well as Museums in Tashkent, Turkey and Egypt From all periods of Islamic history, have been compared . The result of all such studies confirm that there has not been any change in the Text from its Original writing "
Now YOU understand what historical evidence I was talking about ?
So I would like to conlude , That the Bible is not the "Injil" or "torah" the Quran is talking about , BOTH IN ITS LITERAL MEANING AND CONTEXT AND ALSO HISTORICAL VERFICATION .
Furthermore , QURAN DOES NOT SPEAK OF ANY SCRIPTURE REVEALED TO CHRISTIANS.
YOU CAN REFER THE VERSES EARLIER, AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THE TORAH AND INJIL IN CONTEXT OF QURAN WAS NOT REVEALED TO CHRISTIANS BUT THEY WERE FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL AND ALSO FOR MUSLIMS ( you proved this in your comments )
The "injil" was never a book revealed to Christians . The Jesus p.b.u.h was the Prophet TO Children Of ISRAEL ( jews) BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN CONFIRM THIS .
Trinity word mentioned in the Quran ( absent in the Bible ) 4:171 , 5:76
Quran mentioning that it is the Quran ( Bible is absent in the bible ) 15:9
Quran talks about GooD Christians who are closest to Muslims in Faith 5:82
Guide us to the straight path , the path upon which you have bestowed your mercy not of those who have evoked your anger nor of those who are who have gone astray .
Inshallah i hope atleast now you understand what 1:6-7 meant and those who have gone astray .
PLEASE FEEL FREE COMMENT BACK WITH MORE CRITCISM OF QURAN WHICH YOU HAVE OR CONTACT ME VIA EMAIL
Peace upon you