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the link seems to further strengthen the fact that the name Ahmd was in there.
The translators of Greek Septuagint had to placed in the word Jacob/Israel in verse 42(1) due to the fact that somewhat a change in name suddenly appear in passage 42.
If the word was just a simple verb. Then they would not emphasize on the name Jacob in the greek version. as for servant being the messiah, it should not have been an issue for the jews as well. but when you have sudden change in name, then one must emphasize to the audience that the verse is referring to Jacob rather than a foreign servant outside the lineage of Jacob/Israel.

, say to me one of his reason converted are isaiah 35:4-6 which for him announced the coming of jesus in God on earth and say it also connects with Matthew 11:3-6
She speak also about deuteronomy 13:1-5 say this is relate to prophet Muhammad(sws).

Do bear mind that during the period of verse Isaiah 35:4-6 the gods of Christianity were of three old looking men. Jesus at that time was known as Logos the God.

Then the Christian accepted that for the story told in Matthew 11:3-6, the old looking Logos the God decided to become human flesh and being son to the to other counterpart God.

Its interesting to note in the story, that God the Father sent prophecies to prophet John the Baptist at passage Matthew 11:13. But kept hiding some details and uncertainty.

The understanding of Christians are that human look like all three Gods as the outer appearance is direct copy them.

however the behaviour of God are not like man.

according to Christians, Jesus is always aware that he is one of the three Gods where all three had the appearances of old bearded men and none of them being superior to each other.

Its just that Logos the God decided that he shall incarnate his self as a human on earth and also as the son of the other God namely Father the God to provide opportunity of salvation to mankind.

In the passage that you quoted, Logos had to act as if he's in despair and shout to God the Father while being God his self. and Logos will return to earth to punish those  who rejected his offer of salvation.

Seems like the traditional interpretation of Paul's writings or his followers writings in the passage Romans 13 still remains valid in 21st century. When Christian nations (e.g. USA, Russia) wage unpeaceful wars and to justify their act of bombarding cities and settlements. They will cite the passage Romans 13.

As for normal citizens who are not part of the military, they will choose to live in peace instead.


(2nd century sculpture)

images of one the ancient Gods by the many names of either Cupid @ Aries @ Erotes  in an Ancient Roman gods sculpture which was later adopted as loving angels as can be seen in many Christian sculptures.

« on: September 22, 2021, 04:40:00 AM »
in sura 6 verse 14 stands

Say, “Shall I choose as a supporter someone other than Allah, Who is the Originator of the heavens and the earth and Who feeds and does not need to eat?” Say, “I have been ordered to be the first to submit myself (to Him), and O people, do not be of the polytheists.”

God was teaching the messenger on how to be firmed with the polytheists. When interacting with Arab polytheists, the messenger will definitely say he is awwal since none among the polytheist receive any command prior to the messenger.


What we can see here from the image is the belief of Roman Christians during the Council of Nicae era (early 4th century) depicted through the sculptures on the coffin. The sculptures resonate the stories from passages about Jesus during the Nicene period after selecting the canonical or sacred scriptures which is true to the Nicae decree.

It is interesting to note that one of the ancient roman God (Ariel) is used to depict angels or loving creature in show in the sculptures.

The Roman Christians interpreted that God are of 3 divine men of equal status. God the Spirit. God the Father. God the Logos (before manifesting as infant Jesus inside the womb) as shown in the sculptures. This is most probably due to their encounter with the so called 'Old' Testament stating that Adam was created from the image of God. With such custom belief for a millennia that that ancient Gods were human looking, they easily interpreted the verse from the passage likewise to what they were accustom with.

If we look at Adam's figure  (in 1st image). Its exactly sculptured like that of God the Father minus the beard. Which means the genital in between Adam's thigh which is covered by the leaf (refer image) too was inherited from God the Father. Christians may perceive that the function of such bodily part shall be dissimilar for divine men as opposed to created men.

Image of Ancient Roman Gods Prometheus sculpturing man. Athena breathe in soul. (3rd century scuplture)

For ancient Romans, having a new belief in Christianity or accepting doctrine of 3 male looking Gods in one equal stature regarded as the one creator of mankind would be not much of a reform to their culture en masses. Afterall, its still the same male God with male beard, wearing clothing that created mankind.

The teaching of Christianity of having men looking Gods made the religion to be acceptable to the standard of ancient Romans of that era.

« on: August 01, 2021, 07:58:20 AM »
Is Noah's flood local or global? I know that you say it is local because why would Allah punish all nations just for one nation? However, the Quran seems to suggest that the flood was global.

Is Noah's flood local or global? I know that you say it is local because why would Allah punish all nations just for one nation? However, the Quran seems to suggest that the flood was global.

If flood was local, the river and sea level had rose beyond the tallest mountain within Noah's (pbuh) nation. That means the other side of planet experienced recede in water level.

If flood was global, then water level around the globe will just rose to the extent where the tallest mountain in Noah's nation submerged. Still other parts of world higher than the said mountain would not be affected at all.

But I think the Christians have to be religious at least, don't they? Anyway, do all Christians clean the blood of their meat? Because most Christians are not religious.

This raises another question: Do the People of the Book sacrifice their meat pronouncing the name of God? Even if they did, the Jews' god is the same as our god but the Christians' god is not the same as ours! Only 1/3 of their god is the same as ours! I know that your article said the trinity existed during the Prophet's times but the Verses in Surah Anaam say to eat meat sacrificed only in God's name. I understand why the meat sacrificed by the Jews would be Halal (because their god and ours is the same) but I don't understand why the Christians meat would be Halal (because they have 2 more gods and Surah Anaam says to only eat meat sacrificed in God's name!)

Christian nations used to be religious before modernization. Also Christians in Arabia back then used the name Allah. Then you can eat it the slaughtered food.
They believe in Allah that either appear as human or produces son on earth.

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