Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 01, 2016, 07:30:10 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 02, 2016, 10:54:26 PM
Welcome to the board. I ask Allah Almighty to remove the ignorance that you're suffering from, and to open up your heart to His Divine Truth, Islam. Ameen.
Either you are fabricating lies on the Glorious Quran, or you are ignorant. I invite you and the reader to visit the following links that should insha'Allah thoroughly demonstrate the Glorious Quran's Overwhelming Scientific and Numerical Miracles:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/my_04.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/bones_then_muscles_wrapping.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sex_determination.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/bringing_forth_its_waters.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/separation_of_salty_seas_waters_miracle.htm
The Quran's Ultimate Proof:
Furthermore, visit the following link to see some STUNNING NUMERICAL MIRACLES in the Glorious Quran. By the way, in this article you'll find Allah Almighty's PROOF AND GUARANTEE to you as a non-Muslim that the Quran is indeed Divine. This is what Allah Almighty Himself Said. Visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
May Allah Almighty guide you to the Right Path of Islam. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 03, 2016, 05:07:27 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 03, 2016, 01:55:15 PM
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I have been to the links you offer and many others by other authors making essentially the same assertions you are making regarding the supposed scientific or numerological miracles in the Qur'an.
In the links that I gave you, we have Western scientists' discoveries and quotations posted there along with scientific pictures that fully demonstrate the Glorious Quran's Miracles. What you have given us is empty talk. And your points on the big bang and iron was sent down from space, the Glorious Quran's Miracles had thoroughly discussed at:
www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm
To the reader, again, please visit the following links to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Scientific and Numerical Miracles, and to see thorough refutations the anti-Islamic claims that were made by him and others:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
No response to the Numerical Miracles:
Notice how he avoided responding to the Numerical Miracles in the second link.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 05, 2016, 09:04:03 AM
Post by: submit on January 05, 2016, 10:47:33 AM
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One of the signs is about How God will meet His creations on The Day of Resurrection. Prior to that, we will have end of days.
This is a link of reference about shape of universe from NASA (http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html).
Almighty God said He is the One that controls the expansive universe. That's why if we search for facts on the final stage of expansion @ End of Days. We can't find any possibilities of it to happen. Thus the argument of Universe expanding-forever remains true for human as human will never know when it will end.
But , Almighty God said,
"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."
(The Qur'an, 51:47)
"Verily, the Hour is surely coming. But I will to keep it hidden, that every soul may be rewarded for that which it strives (to achieve)." [The Qur'an 20:15]
Almighty God explanation on end of days about what will happen to our flat universe.
The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it. (The Qur'an, 21:104)
Indeed , this is a great verse from the Divine Creator reminding us to always prepare before the coming of Judgement Day.
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 05, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 06, 2016, 05:29:54 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 06, 2016, 06:18:25 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 06, 2016, 11:55:11 PM
Dear brother Ahmad, thank you very much for your valuable response. And thank you for reminding me to be more welcoming and responsible. May Allah Almighty bless you for the good advise, akhi. Ameen.
Dear brother Stardusty, I apologize for being cold. You are welcomed to post your thoughts on this board as you please. I won't be a coward who only speaks with the people that agree with him. LOL, we on this board are opposite from this :).
I will insha'Allah start replying to your points either tomorrow or by this weekend. I look forward to engaging you. You seem to be an intelligent man. May Allah Almighty open your heart to Islam. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 07, 2016, 12:00:17 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 07, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 08, 2016, 12:19:28 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 08, 2016, 06:03:41 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 08, 2016, 06:06:15 AM
Please visit this link: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
In it, you'll see me quoting 7 encyclopedic dictionaries that detail the meanings of the Noble Words used in the Glorious Quran. The Words are Scientific Miracles. I will thoroughly refute Stardusty here. The Glorious Quran has many STUNNING Scientific Miracles. I will thoroughly demonstrate all of this in my upcoming response, insha'Allah.
The main section to the Glorious Quran's Scientific Miracles is at:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 08, 2016, 11:20:11 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 09, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 09, 2016, 01:17:10 PM
First, please allow me to apologize for the duplicate post. I received several server error messages, possibly due to a problem on my end, and it seemed like my post did not go through the first time.
I have gone through a number of the links you provide (not all because there are links within links so following them all to their conclusion would take a great deal of time).
I just cannot find anything that is in any way indicative of miraculous origins. I have education and experience in math and science. I really enjoy math and I have a collection of calculus books I have read and worked from. I opened up some scans that show your own application of numerology to the Qur'an.
I see the pictures of the nebulae, your citations about human development, and a number of other claims you make about miracles of science in the Qur'an.
They are all easily explained as either simple observations well within the capabilities of 7th century men, or a few general inferences lacking anything close to miraculous specificity, or numerological constructions well within the capacity of 7th century men to construct. Do you have any specific citations of the Qur'an that are not of this kind?
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 10, 2016, 01:44:08 PM
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They are all easily explained as either simple observations well within the capabilities of 7th century men, or a few general inferences lacking anything close to miraculous specificity, or numerological constructions well within the capacity of 7th century men to construct. Do you have any specific citations of the Qur'an that are not of this kind?
As'salamu Alaikum Stardusty,
You should step back a little bit and understand what Allah Almighty is telling you in the Glorious Quran. Allah Almighty has responded to the likes of you in the Holy Book by giving you the Number 19 Miracle, especially that you exist today in the advanced computer age. He, the Almighty Said in Noble Verses 74:30-37 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm), that He based the Glorious Quran on the Number 19 Miracle for the following reasons:
(a)- As a trial to the disbelievers.
(b)- To help strengthen the Believers' faith more.
(c)- To assure the disbelievers that Islam is Divine.
(d)- Because it is one of the Greatest Signs and Miracles!
#5 is for you:
[074:030] Over it are Nineteen.
[074:031] And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; AND WE HAVE FIXED THEIR NUMBER ONLY (1) as a trial for Unbelievers,- (2) in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, (3) and the Believers may increase in Faith,- (4) and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, (5) and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth God intend by this ?" Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than awarning to mankind.
[074:032] Nay, verily: By the Moon,
[074:033] And by the Night as it retreateth,
[074:034] And by the Dawn as it shineth forth,-
[074:035] This is but one of the MIGHTY ONES (Miracles).
[074:036] A warning to mankind,-
[074:037] To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-
So my advise to you, as your fellow human is:
1- To step back.
2- Remove the arrogance of the atheists from you. You're used to arguing against books that are corrupt and full of scientific blunders.
3- See the Glorious Quran with a different lense and attitude.
This is a Divine Book from the True and Sovereign GOD Almighty of this Universe. You are messing with your Salvation and you are messing with Fire. You said you were 68 years old. This means you have passed the age 40, which is the Age of Wisdom:
www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm
We've given you the STUNNING NUMERICAL MIRACLES of the Glorious Quran, and we've given you STUNNING PROPHECIES, and we've given you STUNNING Scientific Miracles. You dismissed all of them as nothing. I hope you see the Message of Allah Almighty for you in Noble Verses 74:30-37 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm), above. And again, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
I hope this helps, Stardusty. Feel free to always share your thoughts. I just hope that you change your attitude towards the Glorious Quran, because BELIEVE YOU ME, it is not a mere book.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 10, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 10, 2016, 06:16:19 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 10, 2016, 09:03:06 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 10, 2016, 10:26:14 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 11, 2016, 04:45:03 AM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 11, 2016, 05:13:59 AM
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/
Peace Bro
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 11, 2016, 05:48:32 AM
Brother Hamza has some things to say. I found this by following your links :)
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/does-the-quran-contain-scientific-miracles-a-new-approach/
Peace Bro
Thank you for the link, Stardusty, but it really doesn't refute a thing. The brother said that he is uncertain about the Scientific Miracles, and also said that a growing number of Scholars and Academics are embracing this School; the school of the Glorious Quran does have ample and STUNNING Scientific Miracles in It. So really, he has not refuted anything here. And the growing number of scholars and academics adopting this school should give you a clear indication that there is something serious and real in the Holy Quran.
Furthermore, brother Hamza did not AT ALL address any of the Numerical Miracles, nor did he address the Number 19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty Said it is one of the GREATEST MIRACLES IN THE HOLY QURAN. I already quoted that above.
Allah Almighty talked about the Scientific Miracles:
Also, and again, Allah Almighty left it for us, the Muslims and people in general who live in the Advanced Ages such as ours today, to discover the Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles today under our advanced computer technology where we can do split second searches, counts and analysis. Allah Almighty did Promise:
"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"
"...that it is the truth..." refers to the Glorious Quran being proven to be the Truth through the Scientific Signs that Allah Almighty will reveal in the Universe and in our Physiology, Biology and Embryology, and in the Numerical Miracles that all will prove that the Quran is indeed from our Creator, the Almighty.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Why not?
Why shouldn't Noble Verse 41:53 be considered a Divine Promise and Prophecy being fulfilled by Allah Almighty, Stardusty? Why must every STUNNING Miracle and Prophecy be rejected according to you? If the era of unveiling the Glorious Quran's Miracles, which we call today Scientific and Numerical Miracles, has begun, then why must you resist it and reject it as the infidels of old resisted and rejected the clear and evident and indisputable Truth and Signs and Miracles of Allah Almighty and his Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon all of them? And worse, they even killed His Prophets and Messengers, and burned His Books. And they called GOD Almighty's Miracles sorcery, magic, and lies.
I am telling you, Stardusty, Heaven and Hell are real! The Glorious Quran tells us this. And you are shipping yourself to the Doom of Hell with your stubbornness and blasphemies, by rejecting GOD Almighty, rejecting the Holy Quran, and rejecting Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
Yes, Heaven and Hell are VERY REAL! Just like earth's pleasure, happiness, joy, pain, agony, bliss and fire are also real. Heaven and Hell are real. Why can't life be a little preview and/or demo for you and me by Allah Almighty about what to expect in the GRAND LIFE in the Day of Judgment? Why must you chose the Doom of Hell when you have the Bliss of Heaven? And this is no corrupt Bible or any other corrupt book claim. The Glorious Quran has proven Itself over and over and over again to be the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty. Allah Almighty called the Glorious Quran the Book that is "Muhaymin" (?????, "Has all Authority above all") above all books. See Noble Verse 5:48. So why not accept It? Why must you be on the side of the infidels?
Regarding the Holy Quran's Authority, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 11, 2016, 03:28:00 PM
May Allah Almighty bless you. But brother, as I requested before, please do not post the DNA and RNA stuff here, or any related nonsense here. Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. Same with with RNA and NTRA and all other nonsense that you posted. And I told you also that using this method, we can also extract the F*** word and any word we like!
Please do not spam this board with this nonsense, akhi. And worse, please do not make a mockery out of the Holy Quran's Scientific and Numerical Miracles, akhi. I already made this request before, dear brother, and removed these posts before.
Please present your case here as to why they should be allowed. Let's discuss it here in the open. Show me where I am going wrong, please. Don't just impose them on us like this.
Either way, may Allah Almighty bless you for your efforts and sincerity. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: Dawud on January 11, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,
May Allah Almighty bless you. But brother, as I requested before, please do not post the DNA and RNA stuff here, or any related nonsense here. Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. Same with with RNA and NTRA and all other nonsense that you posted. And I told you also that using this method, we can also extract the F*** word and any word we like!
Please do not spam this board with this nonsense, akhi. And worse, please do not make a mockery out of the Holy Quran's Scientific and Numerical Miracles, akhi. I already made this request before, dear brother, and removed these posts before.
Please present your case here as to why they should be allowed. Let's discuss it here in the open. Show me where I am going wrong, please. Don't just impose them on us like this.
Either way, may Allah Almighty bless you for your efforts and sincerity. Ameen.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
i will explain why you are wrong
you say
"Taking partial letters from random words and say they are D and N and A is nonsense. "
if Allah use DNA separated from existing words that would be weakness in the quran beacuse imagine words wich nobody would understand 1400 years taking valuable place in the quran, that would not be logical
so instead doing that, by using letters DNA incorpaorated in existing words is actually double information in same text, wich is for me is clear evidence that the text is divine.
imagine if i knew future and i want to give people proof that this is my book, so i give an example from ancient times about a good woman called Edna
beacuse i know future when science of DNA will be officially started, i put name of Edna 3 times wich is most in entire book
18:65 There was a good relgious woman called Edna, Edna helped poor people and relatives wich cause many people to follow Edna as good example in this life.
every body can understand simple text, both old and new generations, everybody, and i choose to use Edna name exactly at precise position in my book so it correspond to the year when science of DNA/genetics will be started
beacuse nowhere else out of 6236 verses are letters next to each other 3 times except in that verse 18:65 ---> wich correspond to the year 1865 when DNA science started.
same method is with Neutron (NTRN), by using existing words where consonant letters for neutron is used is only in verse 18:39, AND NOWHERE ELSE IN THE QURAN. Neutron is 1,839 times heavier than electron, how can it be so, tell me out of 6236 verses only in that verse wich corresponds to its weight.
same it is with other examples. I call this double information in same text, only God can do something like this, there is no doubt in my mind that these examples are real, and no coincidences, beacuse there is no coincidence with God beacuse God knows everything that is why coincidence dont happen in his creation or his decisions.
i have explained why you are wrong on this matter, now explain to me why i am wrong here. By the why brother Osama did you read my other topic about Iron core miracle with 5100km=5100 verses ?
I have studied and analysed quranic miracles for 3 years now. by the way, when you give that odd and even example with chapter and verse numbers you should always mention golden ratio in that example between repretative and non-repetetive numbers.
Post by: Dawud on January 11, 2016, 04:57:19 PM
For example dna is not enough if it was not mentioned in verse 18:65 , year 1865
Neutron ntrn is not enough if it was not mentioned 18:39, heavier 1,839 times than an electron
Venus and its inclination number verse 17:7, venus inclination 177 degrees
Halley comet(kewkab) astronomical object in verse 76, it takes 76 years for that comet to orbit the sun
Kaba mentioned first time in verse 2:125, kaba has lattitude 21 degrees 25 minutes
Raising to high place only in verse 19:57, first time in human history human raised an objectso high, sputnik satelit was launched year 1957
Do you really think tvat all these examples are coincidences?
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 11, 2016, 11:21:23 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 12, 2016, 12:27:14 AM
1- Brother Hamza Tzortzis is not an Arabic speaker. I am.
2- Brother Hamza Tzortzis didn't use 7 encyclopedic dictionaries to thoroughly demonstrate how each Noble Word that spoke about a Scientific Miracle was used by the Arabs in their sayings and poetry before Islam, and how the Noble Words were used in the Noble Quran and Hadiths and other sayings after Islam. Visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
3- Brother Hamza Tzortzis did not even talk about the Numerical Miracles. I thoroughly demonstrated many of them.
It seems that all you do is throw in empty nonsense to just reject Islam. Have it your way. I did my part, and Allah Almighty is my Witness. You want to continue to stubbornly reject Islam, that's your problem. This is getting out of my hand at this point.
To the reader, please visit the following links:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Let's not get caught up on names:
Let's not get into the nonsense of using peoples' names as proofs. I can name you names that are FAR GREATER THAN brother Hamza's name that fully embrace the school of the Scientific and Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran. These are Ph.Ds with ample research in the Glorious Quran.
Allah Almighty talked about the Scientific Miracles:
Also, and again as I mentioned in the previous post, Allah Almighty left it for us, the Muslims and people in general who live in the Advanced Ages such as ours today, to discover the Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles today under our advanced computer technology where we can do split second searches, counts and analysis. Allah Almighty did Promise:
"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"
"...that it is the truth..." refers to the Glorious Quran being proven to be the Truth through the Scientific Signs that Allah Almighty will reveal in the Universe and in our Physiology, Biology and Embryology, and in the Numerical Miracles that all will prove that the Quran is indeed from our Creator, the Almighty.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Why not?
Why shouldn't Noble Verse 41:53 be considered a Divine Promise and Prophecy being fulfilled by Allah Almighty, Stardusty? Why must every STUNNING Miracle and Prophecy be rejected according to you? If the era of unveiling the Glorious Quran's Miracles, which we call today Scientific and Numerical Miracles, has begun, then why must you resist it and reject it as the infidels of old resisted and rejected the clear and evident and indisputable Truth and Signs and Miracles of Allah Almighty and his Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon all of them? And worse, they even killed His Prophets and Messengers, and burned His Books. And they called GOD Almighty's Miracles sorcery, magic, and lies.
I am telling you, Stardusty, Heaven and Hell are real! The Glorious Quran tells us this. And you are shipping yourself to the Doom of Hell with your stubbornness and blasphemies, by rejecting GOD Almighty, rejecting the Holy Quran, and rejecting Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
Yes, Heaven and Hell are VERY REAL! Just like earth's pleasure, happiness, joy, pain, agony, bliss and fire are also real. Heaven and Hell are real. Why can't life be a little preview and/or demo for you and me by Allah Almighty about what to expect in the GRAND LIFE in the Day of Judgment? Why must you chose the Doom of Hell when you have the Bliss of Heaven? And this is no corrupt Bible or any other corrupt book claim. The Glorious Quran has proven Itself over and over and over again to be the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty. Allah Almighty called the Glorious Quran the Book that is "Muhaymin" (?????, "Has all Authority above all") above all books. See Noble Verse 5:48. So why not accept It? Why must you be on the side of the infidels?
Regarding the Holy Quran's Authority, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 12, 2016, 12:43:15 AM
I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:
1- Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned. Here is the Arabic text:
?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????
[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.
The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is ????. But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.
Show me where following Noble Verses are hinting to DNA?
?4:67 ???? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ?????
[004:067] And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;
?19:13 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????
[019:013] And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
?20:99 ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????
[020:099] Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.
?21:17 ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????
[021:017] If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!
?28:57 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????
[028:057] They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.
I won't argue long with you on this. Please do not use this approach here. The others where you matched Noble Verses' numerical references with dates are ok.
May Allah Almighty bless you. Please honor my request to you.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: Dawud on January 12, 2016, 02:33:05 AM
As'salamu Alaikum akhi Dawud,
I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:
1- Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned. Here is the Arabic text:
?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????
[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.
The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is ????. But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.
Show me where following Noble Verses are hinting to DNA?
?4:67 ???? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ?????
[004:067] And We should then have given them from our presence a great reward;
?19:13 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????
[019:013] And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
?20:99 ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????
[020:099] Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.
?21:17 ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????
[021:017] If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)!
?28:57 ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????
[028:057] They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.
I won't argue long with you on this. Please do not use this approach here. The others where you matched Noble Verses' numerical references with dates are ok.
May Allah Almighty bless you. Please honor my request to you.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Alaikom Salam brother Osama, i want to tell you one thing, wallahi i love you in the name of Allah for your effort on this site, this site has shaped my knowledge about Islam, you dont know how many times i have used your texts from this site in my dawah, i pray to Allah to reward you with paradise.
Before we end this discussion about programming letters in quran i want to tell you one thing, be like one of the sahaba when he wanted to hear what prophet had to say, he was thinking If he speak true i will accept it, if he speak falsehood i will reject it, i am logical man.
SO if i speak the true, you can only benefit from it and use my arguments in your dawah, beacuse so far nobody of atheists could reject those examples even though they wanted to do it so bad, but they could not.
Even if a Child comes to me and say, Hey, do you want to learn from me something new about quran wich can benefit you in your dawah, i would say show me, beacuse i know if something is logical i accept it if it is not i reject it, as easy as that.
when i search in quran i use your quran search on answering-christianity to verify claims of other Before i accept them
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I just did brief checks on DNA and you are wrong for the following reasons:
1- Noble Verse 18:65 is talking about a MALE servant, and no name was mentioned. Here is the Arabic text:
?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????
[018:065] Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We had given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence.
The Arabic word that has DNA letters in Arabic in the Noble Verse is ????. But this Noble Word is also used in the following Noble Verses, and they don't give any hint about the Word's meaning to mean DNA today.
let me explain Before you reject it
in Quran letters DNA are found on many places, 1 occurence/verse many times , 2 occurences/verse many times
so nothing is special with those occurence as far as i know beacuse they occur in many placesnothing support them expect that letters are in correct order next to each other
but you missed this
?18:65 ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????
only this verse contain DNA 3 times and nowhere else in the quran, there were 1, 2 and 3 occurence /verse in the quran but not greater than 3, like 4,5 or more.
So 3 times /verse is only ONCE, that is why it makes it special in verse 18:65--->year 1865
If i picked one verse with DNA 1 occurence you could say, why pick that verse why not pick other, or if i picked verse with 2 occurences/verse you would say why pick that why not other verse with 2 occurences
but you cant say why did you picked that verse with DNA mentioned 3 times /verse and not other one with 3 times, beacuse there is no other verse with DNA 3 times. You can witness this with you own Eyes
copy letter DNA
???
and put it in your search quran program and yo uwill see that only verse 18:65 mentions only DNA 3 time and nowhere else, that is why it is special.
DO you understand me brother now?
If you want to accept this, just accept it, if you want to reject it, just reject it, and we will end our discussion with nummerical programing with letters
Post by: Dawud on January 12, 2016, 02:37:12 AM
DNA letter 3 times in one verse only
Post by: Dawud on January 12, 2016, 02:49:24 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 12, 2016, 03:55:07 AM
Please write your actual writings in text and not in images. Just like your answers to me in your recent posts. This would:
1- Allow for your writings to be picked up by search engines.
2- Allow for them to be searchable by the users.
3- Allows the user to copy and paste and verify.
Now for actual pictures like the Leech, for example, then yes, please do post them as pictures. But please make your text in actual writings and not images. If I have objections or find errors, then I'll just directly respond to you. This way we can interact and reach to the Truth, insha'Allah.
May Allah Almighty bless you, akhi. Ameen. Feel free to express your thoughts as you wish. I won't interfere. I will interact with replies if needed, insha'Allah.
Take care akhi, and keep up the great work!
Osama Abdallah
Post by: Dawud on January 12, 2016, 04:24:44 AM
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud,
Please write your actual writings in text and not in images. Just like your answers to me in your recent posts. This would:
1- Allow for your writings to be picked up by search engines.
2- Allow for them to be searchable by the users.
3- Allows the user to copy and paste and verify.
Now for actual pictures like the Leech, for example, then yes, please do post them as pictures. But please make your text in actual writings and not images. If I have objections or find errors, then I'll just directly respond to you. This way we can interact and reach to the Truth, insha'Allah.
May Allah Almighty bless you, akhi. Ameen. Feel free to express your thoughts as you wish. I won't interfere. I will interact with replies if needed, insha'Allah.
Take care akhi, and keep up the great work!
Osama Abdallah
Alaikom Selam
ok i understand.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 13, 2016, 12:52:34 AM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 13, 2016, 01:32:27 AM
Post by: Dawud on January 13, 2016, 03:42:33 AM
Post by: Dawud on January 13, 2016, 03:44:02 AM
Post by: Dawud on January 13, 2016, 03:49:07 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 14, 2016, 03:31:40 AM
Funny when people keep talking they eventually expose themselves.
He does not believe in God and the creation yet he has no problem whatsoever swallowing the scam known as the evolution lol
Tell me something fella... how many times were your evolutionists caught red handed faking evidence?
Attaching ape jaws to human skellies lololol... and don't get me started on Lucy (more like Lucifer)
Thisguy is here to troll bro... probably Hasbara.. i can smell them miles away
Tell me something Hasbara... what do NASA first look for when they send probes to outer space to check for life?
WATER!!!!
"We created from water every living thing" ....SPOT ON!!
When you are in the grave and you are left to rot... what do you go back to? Dust... earth..clay... SPOT ON!!!
AS for the Embryology... i think i might as well take the word of an expert in the field rather than a troll: Dr. Moore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFq6E0l2J4U
And so on and so forth...
I tell you what is miraculous about the Quran... for every miracle you can say but Muhammad traveled and observed and bla bla bla.... it is the consistency... the utter precision. Not ONE mistake. now if only 2 or 3 miracles hit the nail on the head.. id be skeptic.. but each singleone of them and there are hundreds and thousands yet to be uncovered.
And we haven't even delved into the linguistics of the Quran yet and its miracles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ULa2JzPG0
The language, the predictions...
I dealt with scum like this my entire life.
This guy is a shekels per posts type of guy... AMIRITE?
Assalam :)
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 14, 2016, 07:28:44 AM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 14, 2016, 07:52:55 AM
No, there is no leech stage to human development.
"what is this then?" you ask.
Answer, a human embryo.
Yes, I realize that at that point in development there is a very crude resemblance between a leech and a human embryo.
This resembles a leech
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5Oh_aR1WQ9Q/U9E5p18kanI/AAAAAAAASOw/6gLuAevyh20/s1600/image_2+-+WM.jpeg
This also resembles a leech
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyd.jpg
It is a simple observational fact that human beings resemble leeches in their early development.
All that is needed to observe this fact is a miscarriage.
Miscarriages were, unfortunately, common.
There is no scientific miracle in describing the products of a miscarriage as a leech, or a clot, or a chewed thing. Those are just crude descriptions of the obvious.
Peace Bro
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 14, 2016, 08:05:30 AM
I do not befriend Hasbara shills
Yes m8, we know... I dealt with filth like you my entire life.
If it was someone genuine, i'd be more than happy to oblige.. but not Zionists with agenda who actually call the Quran fake while at the same time fostering the LOL evolution theory
You failed to answer me... how many times have you beloved New Satanic World Order buffoons been caught faking evidence?
Shall i list them for you?
You are a special kind of obtuse Hasbara aren't you?
The Quran is not a Science Book... YET it contains scientific facts in it
The Quran was not meant to address people as if they were astronauts or geologists... rather it speaks in layman terms so it is available for anyone to understand
So far i'd love to see you denuking one miracle in thee Quran ONE... What happened to Dr. Moore? seems you skipped that video
im gonna ask you again... WHAT DO NASA LOOK FOR IN SPACE AS A SIGN OF LIFE? You will avoid that question as well..
The Leech stage has been demonstrated to you, IN PICTURES... you pretend not to see it...
Man is made of earth.. clay, soil... What's the soil made of?
Most soil is mostly comprised of Oxygen, Potassium, Aluminium, Sodium, Calcium, Magnesium, Iron, Phosphorus, Carbon with a small percentage (e.g. 1-8%) of organic compunds of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Sulphur. A few soils have very high organic content (e.g. peaty soils) which will be mostly dead organic material, but also includes a very important living component: the tiny plants and animals in the soil.
Ooops i see lots of common elements between the soil and the human body.
Just accept the debunk and how we exposed you and move with dignity.. i doubt you got any.
Not many shekels for you today, Hasbara
Shalom.. right? :)
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 14, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 14, 2016, 08:37:07 AM
I see clearly that you are prone to make assumptions when you do not have evidence.
Actually, the books of Moses contain even more instructions to wretched actions than the Qur'an. Unfortunately for the indigenous people of what we now call Palestine or Israel those instructions were genocide against them. Fortunately for the rest of the world, the explicit incitement to murder made by Moses was limited to that relatively small geographical area.
Your post is little more than a disjointed rant, filled with anger and accusations based on assumptions for which you have no evidence beyond what you can "smell" through your computer.
The "miracle" I have thoroughly debunked is that life is made from water.
You wish to bring up that the Qur'an also says that man was made from mud. That is also scientifically false. Science tells us that human beings evolved from lower primates, not mud.
You seek to discount the fact and theory of evolution by citing a tiny percentage of individuals in the field who have in fact used fraud to further their own agenda, likely fame and wealth. That is one of the great things about science. It is other scientists who expose false claims through the scientific method.
Indeed, the Qur'an is not a science book and there are no scientific miracles in it. There are a number of very crude and obvious observations in it that are so apparent to any careful observer that they have some alignment with reality if interpreted in the broadest sense, which in no way qualifies such statements as miracles.
Peace Mr. Habal
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 14, 2016, 08:57:04 AM
We don't do opinions here.. so far you failed to even disprove one miracle in the Quran.. just making yourown observation
Tell me something Hasbara.. did Sam Shamoun send you here?
Ali Sina, perhaps?
Sitting at my desk here, i can still smell that distinct Hasbara stench.
And no there was NEVER one single shred of evidence to support the claim that humans evolved from primates.
Only hoaxes like the ones mentioned above. Lucifer.. i mean Lucy was just another hoax..
Now with the Nano technology available.. im sure the hoaxes will get even more intricate.. don't you think?
I still shall not fall for them
Out of curiosity... who was behind 9/11?
Post by: Dawud on January 14, 2016, 08:57:47 AM
Brother Dawud,
No, there is no leech stage to human development.
"what is this then?" you ask.
Answer, a human embryo.
Yes, I realize that at that point in development there is a very crude resemblance between a leech and a human embryo.
This resembles a leech
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5Oh_aR1WQ9Q/U9E5p18kanI/AAAAAAAASOw/6gLuAevyh20/s1600/image_2+-+WM.jpeg
This also resembles a leech
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyd.jpg
It is a simple observational fact that human beings resemble leeches in their early development.
All that is needed to observe this fact is a miscarriage.
Miscarriages were, unfortunately, common.
There is no scientific miracle in describing the products of a miscarriage as a leech, or a clot, or a chewed thing. Those are just crude descriptions of the obvious.
Peace Bro
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No, there is no leech stage to human development.
but i provided you a clear micrscopic photo of embryo looking like a leech, are you blind or obviously denying the true???
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This resembles a leech
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5Oh_aR1WQ9Q/U9E5p18kanI/AAAAAAAASOw/6gLuAevyh20/s1600/image_2+-+WM.jpeg
This also resembles a leech
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/bethanyd.jpg
no it does not look like a leech
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/Stage12_sem1c.jpg)
this is seen in microscope, it cant bee seen with naked eye
Post by: Dawud on January 14, 2016, 09:01:44 AM
Post by: Dawud on January 14, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
Mr. Habal,
I see clearly that you are prone to make assumptions when you do not have evidence.
Actually, the books of Moses contain even more instructions to wretched actions than the Qur'an. Unfortunately for the indigenous people of what we now call Palestine or Israel those instructions were genocide against them. Fortunately for the rest of the world, the explicit incitement to murder made by Moses was limited to that relatively small geographical area.
Your post is little more than a disjointed rant, filled with anger and accusations based on assumptions for which you have no evidence beyond what you can "smell" through your computer.
The "miracle" I have thoroughly debunked is that life is made from water.
You wish to bring up that the Qur'an also says that man was made from mud. That is also scientifically false. Science tells us that human beings evolved from lower primates, not mud.
You seek to discount the fact and theory of evolution by citing a tiny percentage of individuals in the field who have in fact used fraud to further their own agenda, likely fame and wealth. That is one of the great things about science. It is other scientists who expose false claims through the scientific method.
Indeed, the Qur'an is not a science book and there are no scientific miracles in it. There are a number of very crude and obvious observations in it that are so apparent to any careful observer that they have some alignment with reality if interpreted in the broadest sense, which in no way qualifies such statements as miracles.
Peace Mr. Habal
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Science tells us that human beings evolved from lower primates, not mud.
no it does not, science is empirical , wich means what you see and test that is science, you cant test and do experiment for million of years to prove evolution, so it stay just a theory
and by the way, if you Think we evolved from primates, tell me how could Kinesin molecular Robots inside your cells evolve, they have 2 arms, two legs and they haul Heavy cargo to destination, they are equiped with GPS system re-route so they can find new paths to the destination if the path is damaged. They save energy by switching to sleep mode, and they can help eachother hauling cargo if it is too Heavy, several robot join to haul the cargo.
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/Kinesin_walking.gif)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/c1cs15005g-f2.gif)
or tell us how did bacterill motor evolved from what??? having 40 different Components, like rotor, stator, clutch, gear, propeller, and use fructose as fuel?
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/flagellum.jpg)
tell us how could MO-1 bacteria evolve wich have 7 motors in one and use magnet to navigate.
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/9018flagella.jpg)
Post by: Dawud on January 14, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 14, 2016, 09:56:19 AM
Brother Dawud!!!
What are you talking about??
Sayyidna Muhammad PBUH was a scuba diver... no not really.. he had a submarine lol
Akhi... don't waste your time.. this guy has an agenda... a NWO one. Maybe Sam Shamoun or some other Zionist sent him here
Let him drown akhi... let him drown. It is his choice
After all brother, Hell-fire needs fuel... that is why such people exist
Assalam brother Dawud
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 14, 2016, 10:10:10 AM
You have given me an very easy task.
"If you Think it is easy to do, let make an experiment, use 10 first chapter, and use what ever verse number to specific chapter as you wish, and make it so that
sum of chapters, = sum of odd
sum of verses, = sum of evens
just do it with 10 chapters if you can"
Ch Vs Ev Odd
1 23 24
2 36 38
3 47 50
4 23 27
5 27 32
6 62 68
7 2 9
8 66 74
9 10 19
10 2 12
Sum Sum Sum Sum
55 298 298 55
There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an. All asserted numerological "miracles" are the result of
1. Intentional human construction
2. Chance
3. Reverse association of numerical relationships by cherry picking
As'salamu Alaikum brother Dawud
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 14, 2016, 10:21:10 AM
While we revel in the Quran's overwhelming miracles.
I pity the few minutes I spent replying to you.. but maybe my replies will benefit another Muslim or non Muslim inshallah
Enjoy your evolution hoax theory... and the new world order. it is made for people like you
Enjoy it while it lasts... life is fast fleeting.
You can now go collect your shekels...
Assalamu 3al.... Ooops
I meant to say: Shalom Hasbara :)
Post by: Dawud on January 14, 2016, 10:33:31 AM
Brother Dawud,you have succeded with first task
You have given me an very easy task.
"If you Think it is easy to do, let make an experiment, use 10 first chapter, and use what ever verse number to specific chapter as you wish, and make it so that
sum of chapters, = sum of odd
sum of verses, = sum of evens
just do it with 10 chapters if you can"
Ch Vs Ev Odd
1 23 24
2 36 38
3 47 50
4 23 27
5 27 32
6 62 68
7 2 9
8 66 74
9 10 19
10 2 12
Sum Sum Sum Sum
55 298 298 55
There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an. All asserted numerological "miracles" are the result of
1. Intentional human construction
2. Chance
3. Reverse association of numerical relationships by cherry picking
As'salamu Alaikum brother Dawud
now program golden ratio into that number and make the chapter and verse numbers symetrical like it is in quran
what you deed is not enough if you want to match quranic programming.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 14, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 15, 2016, 02:09:22 AM
I can feel the butthurt starting to come into light ;D
Take a chill pill and try and remain calm... If it still hurts apply cream to sore area :)
Anyhow... I shall make a thread about this, but first let me post this one here..
"I want to ask how atheists explain how an illiterate man produced the inimitable Quran which contains abundance of scientific and historic facts that were unknown at that time. It corrects scientific and historical mistakes in the Bible too. For instance, at the time of Joseph, the leaders of Egypt were called Kings (not pharoahs) but at the time of Moses they were called Pharoah. The Quran has an entire chapter that relates the story of Joseph and it never refers to the king of Egypt as Pharoah (unlike the bible). When Moses is mentioned in the Bible the ruler of Egypt is called Pharoah and not king.
And the Sunnah as well, which is also revelation from Almighty God:
(https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Me33e54035d1360359743c4d84063ca37o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300)
It is one of the common laugh at hadith by critics and Islam haters, however as we will show below the subject is not be laughed at but rather cried at, because it is another clear proof that Islam is the truth and that Muhammad was a messenger of God as he would not be able to know such information without revelation from God.
The Hadeeth on the Fly
One Wing Carrying Disease and the Other Carrying the Cure
***
Student Research Seminar Team
Course Med 497
Team Supervised By
Dr. Jamaal Haamid
Students:
1-Sami Ibrahim Aj-Taili
2-'Aadil 'Abdur Rahman Al-Misnid
3-Khalid Dha'aar Al-'Utaibi.
Dept. Medical Microbiology
College of Science
Qassim University
Course Co-Coordinator
Dr. Saleh As-Saleh (rahimahullaah)
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
Allah, the Most Might and Most Majestic, sent the Prophet Muhammad
(sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam: may Allah Exalt his mention, and render him
safe from all derogatory things), with guidance and the truth and said about him:
Nor does he (Muhammad sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam) speak of (his own)
desire. It is only a Revelation revealed [Translation of the meaning of the Qur'an;
Ch. 53, verses 3 & 4).
And from this, is the Prophet (sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam) saying:
"If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the
drink), for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of
the disease." [Bukhari, vol. 4: 537].
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/Snapshot 2011-01-02 18-54-51.jpg)
Panel A
Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the E Coli type were identified after taking samples from the
water in the flask for culture.
Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete
inhibition of growth in plate 2
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/Snapshot 2011-01-02 18-55-57.jpg)
Panel B
Same as in Panel A, but from another fly.
Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the Coynebacterium Dephtheroid type were identified after
taking samples from the water in the flask for culture.
Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics (more than 70%) can be extracted. This explains the
complete inhibition of growth in plate 2
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/Snapshot 2011-01-02 18-58-36.jpg)
Panel C
Panel C: Same as before, yet with another fly.
Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the Staphylococcus sp. type. were identified after taking
samples from the water in the flask for culture.
Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete
inhibition of growth in plate 2
The Same results were obtained with another type of disease-causing bacteria of the Salmonellas sp + proteus sp. Type.
Post by: Dawud on January 15, 2016, 03:47:50 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 15, 2016, 03:56:01 AM
The Quran was NOT revealed one Surah at a time.. or in chronological order
The Surah were revealed "haphazardly"
Few verses from one Surah, then Allah moves to another Surah and fills some verses there.... etc
All over a period of 23 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ULa2JzPG0
Quran's Challenge for a Literary Equivalent to God's Words remains unmatched even after One and a Half Millenium.
And now using the most modern of Technological means of communication available to us, The Linguistic Miracles are being re-told so that anyone and everyone can enjoy these Linguistic Miracles of The Divine Book.
To better Appreciate these Miracles do keep in Mind that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) couldn't Read or Write and He (pbuh) couldn't edit or re-edit the words once they had come out of his (pbuh) mouth. As they were immediately spread far and wide. Any case of editing would have been picked up on by his (pbuh) enemies and spread far and wide to discredit him (pbuh) and would have been very very widely reported. so the Whole Quran is one oral attempt with no editing process whatsoever.
None COULD HAVE ENGINEERED THEE QURAN BUT ALLAH HIMSELF
You can boil in your rage and hatred mr. Hasbara
Salam :)
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 15, 2016, 05:43:15 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 15, 2016, 07:28:29 AM
However this guy is not coming here to learn or genuinely inquire
He is like all Hasbara shills here to stir trouble
I been dealing with people like him for more than 10 years now akhi.. i can smell one miles away
If he was sincere, believe me akhi, i'd do my utmost to answer every single question or answer he may bring forth.But he isn't
And Allah knows best
Assalam brother
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 15, 2016, 07:32:58 AM
We all need reminders every now and then
Subhan Allah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 15, 2016, 11:19:05 AM
So, I see you assert that Allah uses an approximation because humans "always" use an approximation.
Very well, if Allah is only approximately correct, I will improve upon his work by using the true approximation, rather than a long decimal that only comes close to the correct number.
I shall precisely truncate the golden ratio in this example
| Chapter | Verses | Even | Odd | Rpt | Non-Rpt |
| 1 | 10 | 11 | 10 | ||
| 2 | 9 | 11 | 9 | ||
| 3 | 8 | 11 | 8 | ||
| 4 | 7 | 11 | 7 | ||
| 5 | 6 | 11 | 6 | ||
| 6 | 318 | 324 | 318 | ||
| 7 | 809 | 816 | 809 | ||
| 8 | 320 | 328 | 320 | ||
| 9 | 809 | 818 | 809 | ||
| 10 | 322 | 332 | 322 | ||
| Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum |
| 55 | 2618 | 2618 | 55 | 1618 | 1000 |
You see that 1618/1000 = 1.618 exactly, so my answer is a better representation of the approximation "always" used.
Your assertion of the 4 criteria as a miracle is false, because a mere human being has met them herein.
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 15, 2016, 01:13:49 PM
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Translation:
Surah Al Jinn:
The total number of the Letters in this Noble Surah is 285
This is a multiple of the number 19: 15 x 19 = 285
This Surah ended with Alah SWT saying "Wa Ahsa kulla Shay2en 3adadan": "and has enumerated all things in number." Surah Al Jinn:28
The wondrous thing here is that the total of the repetition of the letters: 3ayn, Da, Da, Alif (?, ?,?, ?) is:
?: 37
?: 54
?: 54
?: 216
The total of the above amounts to 37+54+54"216= 361
Another multiple of 19: 19 x 19 = 361
Every single Ayah of the Surah Al Jinn ended with a specific word: 3ajaba, Ahada, Walada, Shatata...
The marvel here is that the total of the letters of the words (3ajaba, Ahada, Walada, Shatata... etc) is 114
And this number is equal to the number of the Surahs in the Quran and is another multiple of 19: 6 x 19= 114
None could have engineered the Quran but Allah SWT himself
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 15, 2016, 02:09:02 PM
"Commenters should refrain from using indecent language for "StardustyPsyche".
I appreciate your kind words. I have heard much worse then those of Mr. Habbal :) It will take a great deal more than a few sporadic words of insult and false assumption on a blog to bother me at all.
But, I suspect you are only partly expressing this out of concern for me. I think it likely your primary goal is to maintain your own integrity and the integrity of a community you feel a part of. Fair enough.
You have corrected my apparently false conclusion that you agree there are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an.
Do you have any specific items you assert are scientific miracles in the Qur'an? I don't know you very much at all, but at this point I have the impression there is somewhat of a disconnect between your feeling that the Qur'an has scientific miracles, yet I have not noticed a specific assertion of any from you.
Please correct me if I am wrong in your view.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 15, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
There was much time to engineer the Qur'an before the words were written on our earliest surviving example.
It is not difficult to write text, count up letters and words and verses and chapters, then make adjustments in word choice, ordering, and sentence choice to maintain the desired meaning but conform to the numerological wishes of the scribe.
In fact, numerology might explain the haphazard ordering of the Qur'an.
The Qur'an is not in chronological order as I am sure you know. It is somewhat in reverse chronological order, but there are many exceptions even to that.
It is not even in length order strictly.
When I engineered the examples that clearly prove the errors of brothers Osama and Dawud I started with something close and then made adjustments as needed to fit the criteria. One of my techniques was to change the order of entry to produce certain numerical changes that fit my predetermined criteria.
If I can do it so could 7th century man. I respect the intelligence of ancient men. Some of them dedicated their lives to the Qur'an, without the distractions of modern life, rather, dedicating thousands upon thousands of hours of recitation, memorization, and study in minute detail.
Shakespeare wrote in iambic pentameter, Japanese write in haiku, and there are many examples globally of humans who craft their words to fit their aesthetic tastes in numerological associations.
You have provided only a few simple multiplication and addition examples. The only mystery is why anybody would thing for a moment they are miraculous.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 15, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
I believe I may have applied a different numerological algorithm than the one you specified!
No matter, I solved it with another algorithm, the below entry matches my most recent reading of your algorithm. That is one of the fascinating things about iterative numerical methods. One may curve fit using a wide variety of functions and arrive at a solution to the specified degree of accuracy, in this case 3 decimal places. The solution converges on a different set of coefficients, but is just as valid as any other solution.
Again please note, 1618/1000 = 1.618, an exact representation of the approximation "everybody" uses.
| Chapter | Verses | Even | Odd | Rpt | Non-Rpt |
| 1 | 22 | 23 | 23 | ||
| 2 | 7 | 9 | 9 | ||
| 3 | 22 | 25 | 25 | ||
| 4 | 5 | 9 | 9 | ||
| 5 | 26 | 31 | 31 | ||
| 6 | 9 | 15 | 15 | ||
| 7 | 28 | 35 | 35 | ||
| 8 | 5 | 13 | 13 | ||
| 9 | 20 | 29 | 29 | ||
| 10 | 11 | 21 | 21 | ||
| 11 | 389 | 400 | 400 | ||
| 12 | 388 | 400 | 400 | ||
| 13 | 387 | 400 | 400 | ||
| 14 | 386 | 400 | 400 | ||
| 15 | 107 | 122 | 122 | ||
| 16 | 104 | 120 | 120 | ||
| 17 | 177 | 194 | 194 | ||
| 18 | 90 | 108 | 108 | ||
| 19 | 127 | 146 | 146 | ||
| 20 | 98 | 118 | 118 | ||
| Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum |
| 210 | 2408 | 2408 | 210 | 1618 | 1000 |
If you find any errors in my calculations please me know, after all, the ancient men who embedded these numerological arrangements had decades to do so and I just started a couple days ago!
Peace Bro
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 15, 2016, 06:20:49 PM
The alternate fly wing antidote Hadith is a scientific miracle?
Yes, of course people laugh at that. It makes no sense of any kind. Even brother Osama steers the reader toward the possibility of corrupted Hadiths here:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm
Your petri dish nonsense is debunked here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/01/29/islamic-science-has-come-to-this-pitiful-end/
Other claims of this truly absurd "miracle" are debunked here:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Diseases_and_Cures_in_the_Wings_of_Houseflies
If your child gets a bacterial infection will you really request the physician to use a fly that has that same pathogen on one wing, extract the antidote from the other wing, and give it to your child to swallow?
Please tell me the name of the Islamic university hospital where this is successfully practiced, and please give me a link to the peer reviewed medical journal article documenting the efficacy of this technique.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 15, 2016, 07:16:28 PM
Post by: submit on January 15, 2016, 09:42:51 PM
If your child gets a bacterial infection will you really request the physician to use a fly that has that same pathogen on one wing, extract the antidote from the other wing, and give it to your child to swallow?
The hadith is not saying to catch flies and use it as medicine, but if there is a fly in glass, you dont waste the water in the glass but just dip the fly thru. Water can still be used.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 16, 2016, 12:05:25 AM
Yes, I realize the Hadith does not explicitly call for the extraction of medicine from the wings of flies. I am employing argumentum ad absurdum to demonstrate my position.
Here is an example of how a human being gets sick from a fly:
1. Fly lands on animal feces.
2. Feces containing microorganisms harmful to humans but harmless to flies gets stuck to the fly.
3. Fly flies away from animal feces.
4. Fly lands on human food or drink.
5. Animal feces on fly transfers to human food or drink carrying the harmful microorganisms with it.
6. Fly flies away from human food or drink.
7. Human being consumes human food or drink, along with the animal feces and harmful microorganisms transferred in the above steps.
8. Harmful microorganisms invade human being.
9. Harmful microorganisms multiply and the human being becomes infected.
Please consider if we "just dip the fly thru" after step 5 but before step 6. The only result will be further contamination unless there really is an antidote to the microorganisms on the alternate wing of the fly.
Do you really believe in an antidote on the opposite wing?
If so, then it is reasonable to use the information in this Hadith to cure human infections.
1. Capture a fly.
2. Test 1 wing for pathogens.
3. If a pathogen is found dip the other wing in a solvent to capture the antidote in solution.
4. Process the dissolved antidote into a deliverable medicine form.
5. Whenever an individual is identified with an infection of the type of pathogen identified in step 2 administer the antidote medicine obtained in step 4.
I have carried this Hadith to its logical conclusions. If you find these conclusions as absurd as I do then I urge you to do as brother Osama has done and question the validity of this Hadith.
Post by: submit on January 16, 2016, 01:24:05 AM
submit,
Yes, I realize the Hadith does not explicitly call for the extraction of medicine from the wings of flies. I am employing argumentum ad absurdum to demonstrate my position.
Do you really believe in an antidote on the opposite wing?
If so, then it is reasonable to use the information in this Hadith to cure human infections.
1. Capture a fly.
2. Test 1 wing for pathogens.
3. If a pathogen is found dip the other wing in a solvent to capture the antidote in solution.
4. Process the dissolved antidote into a deliverable medicine form.
5. Whenever an individual is identified with an infection of the type of pathogen identified in step 2 administer the antidote medicine obtained in step 4.
You said you realized but then you do not realize what you post. There is no need to capture it. Reread the hadith. Its also not about looking for sick patients after the act of dipping the fly. Hope this will aid in your logical assessment of the hadith.
Post by: Dawud on January 16, 2016, 08:39:29 AM
Brother Dawud,
I believe I may have applied a different numerological algorithm than the one you specified!
No matter, I solved it with another algorithm, the below entry matches my most recent reading of your algorithm. That is one of the fascinating things about iterative numerical methods. One may curve fit using a wide variety of functions and arrive at a solution to the specified degree of accuracy, in this case 3 decimal places. The solution converges on a different set of coefficients, but is just as valid as any other solution.
Again please note, 1618/1000 = 1.618, an exact representation of the approximation "everybody" uses.
Chapter Verses Even Odd Rpt Non-Rpt 1 22 23 23 2 7 9 9 3 22 25 25 4 5 9 9 5 26 31 31 6 9 15 15 7 28 35 35 8 5 13 13 9 20 29 29 10 11 21 21 11 389 400 400 12 388 400 400 13 387 400 400 14 386 400 400 15 107 122 122 16 104 120 120 17 177 194 194 18 90 108 108 19 127 146 146 20 98 118 118 Sum Sum Sum Sum Sum Sum 210 2408 2408 210 1618 1000
If you find any errors in my calculations please me know, after all, the ancient men who embedded these numerological arrangements had decades to do so and I just started a couple days ago!
Peace Bro
you have now succeeded programming chapter-verse-odd-even and golden ratio, good
but that is not all man, yo uthink you have already matched quran that was only easy part, now comes more difficult part wich will rape your mind
you have to syncronaise naumbers with that programming and that numberse are symetrical
look this now
What is symmetri?
Symmetri, Yes
15--16--I--16--15 or 17--17--I--14--14
Symmetri, NO
15--16--I--17--15 or this 16--14--I--7--9
Quran is symmetrical book
Odd and Even numbers
Odd and Even numbers
(Sequence number of Chapter)-(Verses)
4 combination:
odd-odd
odd-even
even-even
even-odd
example first chapter Fatiha has sequence number 1 and 7 verses,
then it is in ODD-ODD section
Look how Quran is constructed
symmetrically, Amazing
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/efnl0p.jpg)
Homogenus are ODD-ODD, EVEN-EVEN
Non-homogenus are odd-even, even-odd
It is also
constructed simmetrically
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/9q90mc.jpg)
Now we divide Quran in half,
first part of quran 57 chapters, and second part quran 57 chapters
even
this is also symetrical between homogenus and non-homogenus
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/21ajl7r.jpg)
Surahs of which the number of ayats are greater than sequence number
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/orp640.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/24lokue.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/2vb0sgk.jpg)
Surahs of which the number of ayats are smaller than sequence number
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/2gt9t3d.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/296cfir.jpg)
Sequence Numbers Set and Number of Ayats Set
example: Chapter/Surah with sequence nr 3, nr of ayats/verses 3 can be found at seequence nr 108 and 110
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/300whtv.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/fnr4i8.jpg)
The numbers which are divided by two and not divided by three
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/2r3yyk3.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/rbm73t.jpg)
The numbers which are divided by three and not divided by two
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/14av4nl.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/359hizb.jpg)
The numbers which are neither divisible by two nor by three
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/2d0gei0.jpg)
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/16a2szm.jpg)
and i you succeed with this wich i doubt you will, await something even greater than all of this.
Post by: Dawud on January 16, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
what does this two words mean
fromverse
76:28
?????? ????????????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ????????????? ???????????
washadadna asrahum
does it mean
We strengthened their form
some translate it like this
We created them and fixed their bones and joints;
We created them and made their joints strong,
We created them and made their joints firm,
We created them, and We strengthened their joints;
We created them and strengthened their joints;
Why do they translate joints, is asrahum (their joints) or ???
why do i ask this beacuse
from the begining of the Chapter Insan (Human)
to the word (We strengthened their joints / We trengthened their form) there is 206 words
and we know today that humans have 206 bones in their body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bones_of_the_human_skeleton
The skeleton of an adult human consists of 206 bones. It is composed of 270 bones at birth, which decreases to 206 bones by adulthood after some bones have fused together
The 206 Bones of the Human Body
http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kleine/anatomy/bones.html
http://www.ivyroses.com/HumanBody/Skeletal/how-many-bones-in-the-human-body.php
There are 206 named bones a normal, complete, adult human skeleton.
evidence
Hal ata AAala alinsani heenun mina alddahri lam yakun shayan mathkooran
Inna khalaqna alinsana min nutfatin amshajin nabtaleehi fajaAAalnahu sameeAAan baseeran
Inna hadaynahu alssabeela imma shakiran waimma kafooran
Inna aAAtadna lilkafireena salasila waaghlalan wasaAAeeran
Inna alabrara yashraboona min kasin kana mizajuha kafooran
AAaynan yashrabu biha AAibadu Allahi yufajjiroonaha tafjeeran
Yoofoona bialnnathri wayakhafoona yawman kana sharruhu mustateeran
WayutAAimona alttaAAama AAala hubbihi miskeenan wayateeman waaseeran
Innama nutAAimukum liwajhi Allahi la nureedu minkum jazaan wala shukooran
Inna nakhafu min rabbina yawman AAaboosan qamtareeran
Fawaqahumu Allahu sharra thalika alyawmi walaqqahum nadratan wasurooran
Wajazahum bima sabaroo jannatan wahareeran
Muttakieena feeha AAala alaraiki la yarawna feeha shamsan wala zamhareeran
Wadaniyatan AAalayhim thilaluha wathullilat qutoofuha tathleelan
Wayutafu AAalayhim bianiyatin min fiddatin waakwabin kanat qawareera
Qawareera min fiddatin qaddarooha taqdeeran
Wayusqawna feeha kasan kana mizajuha zanjabeelan
AAaynan feeha tusamma salsabeelan
Wayatoofu AAalayhim wildanun mukhalladoona itha raaytahum hasibtahum luluan manthooran
Waitha raayta thamma raayta naAAeeman wamulkan kabeeran
AAaliyahum thiyabu sundusin khudrun waistabraqun wahulloo asawira min fiddatin wasaqahum rabbuhum sharaban tahooran
Inna hatha kana lakum jazaan wakana saAAyukum mashkooran
Inna nahnu nazzalna AAalayka alqurana tanzeelan
Faisbir lihukmi rabbika wala tutiAA minhum athiman aw kafooran
Waothkuri isma rabbika bukratan waaseelan
Wamina allayli faosjud lahu wasabbihhu laylan taweelan
Inna haolai yuhibboona alAAajilata wayatharoona waraahum yawman thaqeelan
Nahnu khalaqnahum
copy this and you will get 206 words to the word washadadna (we strengthened)
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 16, 2016, 11:40:39 AM
I have no independent means to verify your latest asserted set of relationships even exits, and I have no intention of counting verses in the Qur'an myself.
To work on your latest set of "miraculous" criteria I would need in text form a summary of all the data cited, preferably in .xls or .csv form. If you could clearly and concisely list in text form all the relations of all the components you wish to engineer into your "miracle" I can work on it over time.
My assertion stands, that there are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an, and the asserted numerological associations are within the capability of 7th century man to engineer into the texts.
Oh, but I did another solution! This time I duplicated the exact numbers of the so called golden ratio supposedly created in code by Allah. And I can assure you, I am not Allah, yet I produced these numbers. There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
| Chapter | Verses | Even | Odd | Rpt | Non-Rpt |
| 1 | 16 | 17 | 17 | ||
| 2 | 7 | 9 | 9 | ||
| 3 | 16 | 19 | 19 | ||
| 4 | 5 | 9 | 9 | ||
| 5 | 20 | 25 | 25 | ||
| 6 | 9 | 15 | 15 | ||
| 7 | 28 | 35 | 35 | ||
| 8 | 5 | 13 | 13 | ||
| 9 | 20 | 29 | 29 | ||
| 10 | 1962 | 1972 | 1972 | ||
| 11 | 1961 | 1972 | 1972 | ||
| 12 | 1960 | 1972 | 1972 | ||
| 13 | 1959 | 1972 | 1972 | ||
| 14 | 1104 | 1118 | 1118 | ||
| 15 | 1177 | 1192 | 1192 | ||
| 16 | 1090 | 1106 | 1106 | ||
| 17 | 1127 | 1144 | 1144 | ||
| 18 | 154 | 172 | 172 | ||
| Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum | Sum |
| 171 | 12620 | 12620 | 171 | 7906 | 4885 |
Post by: Dawud on January 16, 2016, 11:54:35 AM
I have conclusively proved that the claim of a miracle made by brother Osama is false and should be removed from his posted claims.
I have no independent means to verify your latest asserted set of relationships even exits, and I have no intention of counting verses in the Qur'an myself.
To work on your latest set of "miraculous" criteria I would need in text form a summary of all the data cited, preferably in .xls or .csv form. If you could clearly and concisely list in text form all the relations of all the components you wish to engineer into your "miracle" I can work on it over time.
My assertion stands, that there are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an, and the asserted numerological associations are within the capability of 7th century man to engineer into the texts.
Oh, but I did another solution! This time I duplicated the exact numbers of the so called golden ratio supposedly created in code by Allah. And I can assure you, I am not Allah, yet I produced these numbers. There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an
Chapter Verses Even Odd Rpt Non-Rpt 1 16 17 17 2 7 9 9 3 16 19 19 4 5 9 9 5 20 25 25 6 9 15 15 7 28 35 35 8 5 13 13 9 20 29 29 10 1962 1972 1972 11 1961 1972 1972 12 1960 1972 1972 13 1959 1972 1972 14 1104 1118 1118 15 1177 1192 1192 16 1090 1106 1106 17 1127 1144 1144 18 154 172 172 Sum Sum Sum Sum Sum Sum 171 12620 12620 171 7906 4885
then you are a liar in that case to deny obvious facts from verses and hadith, yo uactually lie to yourself.
here is another challenge for you, let see how you will manage to challenge it
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/xfxmjn.jpg)
to verify this use this calulator
http://web2.0calc.com/
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 16, 2016, 12:28:41 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 16, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
No, not mind blowing.
"This Hadeeth has been proven by NON MUSLIM SCIENTISTS and BIOLOGISTS."
No, the Hadith asserts a pathogen on 1 wing and and antidote on the other wing. All the above fails to support the alternate wing prediction.
No, it is not mind blowing that medicines are made from extracts of living things. That's what penicillin, aspirin, and many other drugs are.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 16, 2016, 01:44:28 PM
Post by: Dawud on January 16, 2016, 05:57:40 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 16, 2016, 06:30:49 PM
Post by: Dawud on January 16, 2016, 06:31:34 PM
Question to arabic speakers
what does this two words mean
fromverse
76:28
?????? ????????????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ????????????? ???????????
washadadna asrahum
does it mean
We strengthened their form
some translate it like this
We created them and fixed their bones and joints;
We created them and made their joints strong,
We created them and made their joints firm,
We created them, and We strengthened their joints;
We created them and strengthened their joints;
Why do they translate joints, is asrahum (their joints) or ???
why do i ask this beacuse
from the begining of the Chapter Insan (Human)
to the word (We strengthened their joints / We trengthened their form) there is 206 words
and we know today that humans have 206 bones in their body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bones_of_the_human_skeleton
The skeleton of an adult human consists of 206 bones. It is composed of 270 bones at birth, which decreases to 206 bones by adulthood after some bones have fused together
The 206 Bones of the Human Body
http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kleine/anatomy/bones.html
http://www.ivyroses.com/HumanBody/Skeletal/how-many-bones-in-the-human-body.php
There are 206 named bones a normal, complete, adult human skeleton.
evidence
Hal ata AAala alinsani heenun mina alddahri lam yakun shayan mathkooran
Inna khalaqna alinsana min nutfatin amshajin nabtaleehi fajaAAalnahu sameeAAan baseeran
Inna hadaynahu alssabeela imma shakiran waimma kafooran
Inna aAAtadna lilkafireena salasila waaghlalan wasaAAeeran
Inna alabrara yashraboona min kasin kana mizajuha kafooran
AAaynan yashrabu biha AAibadu Allahi yufajjiroonaha tafjeeran
Yoofoona bialnnathri wayakhafoona yawman kana sharruhu mustateeran
WayutAAimona alttaAAama AAala hubbihi miskeenan wayateeman waaseeran
Innama nutAAimukum liwajhi Allahi la nureedu minkum jazaan wala shukooran
Inna nakhafu min rabbina yawman AAaboosan qamtareeran
Fawaqahumu Allahu sharra thalika alyawmi walaqqahum nadratan wasurooran
Wajazahum bima sabaroo jannatan wahareeran
Muttakieena feeha AAala alaraiki la yarawna feeha shamsan wala zamhareeran
Wadaniyatan AAalayhim thilaluha wathullilat qutoofuha tathleelan
Wayutafu AAalayhim bianiyatin min fiddatin waakwabin kanat qawareera
Qawareera min fiddatin qaddarooha taqdeeran
Wayusqawna feeha kasan kana mizajuha zanjabeelan
AAaynan feeha tusamma salsabeelan
Wayatoofu AAalayhim wildanun mukhalladoona itha raaytahum hasibtahum luluan manthooran
Waitha raayta thamma raayta naAAeeman wamulkan kabeeran
AAaliyahum thiyabu sundusin khudrun waistabraqun wahulloo asawira min fiddatin wasaqahum rabbuhum sharaban tahooran
Inna hatha kana lakum jazaan wakana saAAyukum mashkooran
Inna nahnu nazzalna AAalayka alqurana tanzeelan
Faisbir lihukmi rabbika wala tutiAA minhum athiman aw kafooran
Waothkuri isma rabbika bukratan waaseelan
Wamina allayli faosjud lahu wasabbihhu laylan taweelan
Inna haolai yuhibboona alAAajilata wayatharoona waraahum yawman thaqeelan
Nahnu khalaqnahum
copy this and you will get 206 words to the word washadadna (we strengthened)
answer
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Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 16, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 17, 2016, 12:12:51 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 17, 2016, 12:18:16 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 17, 2016, 12:46:56 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 17, 2016, 12:39:07 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 17, 2016, 12:53:23 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 17, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
Here is the text
"The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537"
There is no evidence that one wing has a disease and the other wing has the cure for that disease.
It might be that we derive certain treatments from insects, such as the fly. There is no evidence that one is well advised to "dip it in the drink" because the fly can carry a wide variety of pathogens, and antidotes to those pathogens have not been found on one wing of the fly or anyplace else on they fly.
You are engaging in fallacious thinking. If you do not understand how your reasoning is fallacious then I invite you to study logical fallacies and how to make an argument that avoids them.
Brother Osama questions the validity of this Hadith here:
The Hadith of the fly is not a Mutawatir one
http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm
The topic of this thread is "There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an" and that is the topic I intend to address here.
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 17, 2016, 02:59:40 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 17, 2016, 04:35:29 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 17, 2016, 05:13:44 PM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 17, 2016, 06:51:29 PM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 17, 2016, 07:47:39 PM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 17, 2016, 11:28:07 PM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 18, 2016, 01:51:18 AM
Mr. Habbal,
Here is the text
"The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537"
There is no evidence that one wing has a disease and the other wing has the cure for that disease.
It might be that we derive certain treatments from insects, such as the fly. There is no evidence that one is well advised to "dip it in the drink" because the fly can carry a wide variety of pathogens, and antidotes to those pathogens have not been found on one wing of the fly or anyplace else on they fly.
You are engaging in fallacious thinking. If you do not understand how your reasoning is fallacious then I invite you to study logical fallacies and how to make an argument that avoids them.
Brother Osama questions the validity of this Hadith here:
The Hadith of the fly is not a Mutawatir one
http://www.answering-christianity.com/hadiths_of_the_fly.htm
The topic of this thread is "There are no scientific miracles in the Qur'an" and that is the topic I intend to address here.
"Maybe if I keep denying it, it will go away: Stardust
The Hadeeth on the Fly
One Wing Carrying Disease and the Other Carrying the Cure
***
Student Research Seminar Team
Course Med 497
Team Supervised By
Dr. Jamaal Haamid
Students:
1-Sami Ibrahim Aj-Taili
2-'Aadil 'Abdur Rahman Al-Misnid
3-Khalid Dha'aar Al-'Utaibi.
Dept. Medical Microbiology
College of Science
Qassim University
Course Co-Coordinator
Dr. Saleh As-Saleh (rahimahullaah)
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
Allah, the Most Might and Most Majestic, sent the Prophet Muhammad
(sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam: may Allah Exalt his mention, and render him
safe from all derogatory things), with guidance and the truth and said about him:
Nor does he (Muhammad sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam) speak of (his own)
desire. It is only a Revelation revealed [Translation of the meaning of the Qur'an;
Ch. 53, verses 3 & 4).
And from this, is the Prophet (sallallaahu 'aleihi was-sallam) saying:
"If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the
drink), for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of
the disease." [Bukhari, vol. 4: 537].
Panel A
Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the E Coli type were identified after taking samples from the
water in the flask for culture.
Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete
inhibition of growth in plate 2
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eCjzHFVfBEY/TSCShw8Z31I/AAAAAAAAAJo/cd-rWhtFJNw/s320/Snapshot+2011-01-02+18-55-57.jpg
Panel B
Same as in Panel A, but from another fly.
Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the Coynebacterium Dephtheroid type were identified after
taking samples from the water in the flask for culture.
Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics (more than 70%) can be extracted. This explains the
complete inhibition of growth in plate 2
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eCjzHFVfBEY/TSCSuo5gDcI/AAAAAAAAAJs/qBxwxsMyc94/s320/Snapshot+2011-01-02+18-58-36.jpg
Panel C
Panel C: Same as before, yet with another fly.
Plate 2- Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and
where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing)
bacterial colonies of the Staphylococcus sp. type. were identified after taking
samples from the water in the flask for culture.
Plate 1- Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping
of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is
clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one
from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete
inhibition of growth in plate 2
The Same results were obtained with another type of disease-causing bacteria of the Salmonellas sp + proteus sp. Type.
Ooops... the study confirms the Hadeeth
Than you for strengthening my faith
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 18, 2016, 02:08:22 AM
Not very honest... but that's expected with the Hasbara brigade
Who was behind 9/11
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 18, 2016, 07:14:35 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 18, 2016, 07:26:08 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 18, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
Over 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhammad told his followers to submerge the fly completely to be protected from any diseases. 1400 years later, scientists and student put it to the test and the results are as you see.
I cited peer reviewed scientific experiments which you most likely didn't even read because "Hasbara"
Check the links, and follow the research - it is actually MIND BLOWING and proves the hadeeth true.
You do not want to admit that, I get it :)
It gotta hurt
And now.. About 9/11 attacks....
I am still waiting. Hopefully you won;t keep me waiting for too long now
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 18, 2016, 08:03:38 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 18, 2016, 09:13:56 AM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 18, 2016, 11:00:13 PM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 19, 2016, 01:41:22 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 19, 2016, 03:00:04 AM
I know where to squeeze
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 19, 2016, 09:15:22 AM
We are getting into a rather fine detail of parsing an English word I am not certain is absolutely the correct or best translation, but "overtake" does seem to be a fair word to use in this case.
When driving on a multi-lane road in the same direction one car overtakes another when it passes the other. If they were in the same lane there would be, instead, a rear end collision.
To overtake on a curve is similar, one car passes the other, but in different lanes. On a circular track the runners run in different lanes, and to overtake means to pass but along a different path. Passing means to achieve a greater distance run which can also be expressed as a greater angular measure traversed.
In the 7th century nearly all people accepted the Ptolemaic system.
(https://www.wpclipart.com/space/diagrams/ptolemaic_system_T.png)
Note, the moon, mercury, venus, sun, mars, jupiter, and saturn were treated the same in terms of motion and were all considered planets of the earth.
Also, note the position of the stars in a spherical shell outside the planets, hence the reference to spheres in the Qur'an.
It is interesting to note that this system got the order of the planets correct, is correct in that the moon is closest to the earth, and interchanges the position of the earth and the sun such that mercury and venus are inside whereas mars, jupiter, and saturn are outside which is also correct.
This model was no accident, rather, it fits quiet well with careful naked eye observations. Not shown in this image are the epicycles needed to account for retrograde motion.
So, brother Ahmad, we can see that the verses in the Qur'an are simply poetic and very simple words that describe the prevailing view of that day.
But, those words are in error to the extent that the planets do overtake each other as they move in their circular tracks, just like racers who stay in their own lanes but overtake by running faster.
The heliocentric model was known to learned people as a hypothesis dating back to ancient Greece, and at least one Muslim scholar did in fact promote that hypothesis. But, it seemed rather fantastic to people that the Earth, which is obviously standing still, would actually be moving, and the sun, which is obviously moving, would actually be standing still. That idea seemed so outlandish to nearly all humans that Aristotle and Ptolemy ruled the day for millennia.
It was Christian Europe that deduced the truth we all know today, and corrected the scientific errors of the Qur'an and nearly everybody else, thanks to Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton.
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 19, 2016, 09:22:04 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 19, 2016, 09:41:28 AM
Still i will take the scientists' words over yours.
And they confirmed the Fly's miracle
Subhanallah
How did Sayyidna Muhammad know about pathogens and anti-pathogens 1500 years back.. one revelation among 100s others i may add :)
Mind blowing
Shalom! :)
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 19, 2016, 10:45:59 AM
Post by: AhmadFarooq on January 19, 2016, 02:04:07 PM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 19, 2016, 07:37:38 PM
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Note, the moon, mercury, venus, sun, mars, jupiter, and saturn were treated the same in terms of motion and were all considered planets of the earth.
Stardusty,
In space, any object can be the center of its system or even the Universe. Not that Allah Almighty ever said this about earth in the Glorious Quran, but the Noble Verses that speak about the sun and the moon and other planets in relation to the earth are not in contradiction with sceince. You can technically and scientifically speak a system with the earth being the focus or the center. After all, this is our planet that we live in. Consider the following images. All rotate around each others even when the sun appears to be the center and the focus:
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/solar_system_traveling_in_space_2.jpg) (http://www.answering-christianity.com/solar_system_traveling_in_space.gif)
The Earth's Movement in Space:
Watch this video to see the Noble Verses that speak about earth's movement in space:
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Also visit this article: What
about the sun
"running" (different
from the "sun's orbit" or "orbit of the sun" in other Noble Verses)
in Noble Verse 36:38?
A must-watch video:
Scientists today believe that our galaxy is currently traveling towards a Black Hole and Star Vega. So the sun, which is the mother of our Solar System, will not just exist forever. There will come a time where it will come to a halt in both motion and light. Also, the Glorious Quran [1] declares that the earth is: 1- Spherical. 2- Suspended in Space. 3- Rotating around itself. (emphasis on dahaha and its derivatives) 4- Is traveling in Space. 5- Also, all celestial bodies are Yaa'rujoon (traveling in orbits) in space. Another Video: The countless orbits in the Universe, and the day-layer reveals the sun's brightness [2] [3] [4] [5].
A STUNNING Hadith [1] [2] [3] [4] from Prophet Muhammad regarding the rising and setting POINTS:
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To the reader, the following links thoroughly demonstrate many of the Glorious Quran's STUNNING and Overwhelming Numerical and Scientific Miracles:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 20, 2016, 01:01:21 AM
Post by: StardustyPsyche on January 20, 2016, 02:35:21 AM
Post by: Tarek Habbal on January 20, 2016, 02:40:39 AM
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 20, 2016, 06:10:49 AM
Debating with you has devolved to ridiculous levels. You just like to endlessly argue and argue even when you know your position is weak, or even soundly refuted. I won't let you drag the brothers here into your endless spiral, especially when we have thoroughly refuted you here.
You keep bringing your nonsense about what brother Hamza Tzortzis said as if he is the ultimate authority. I have already refuted you and him by pointing out that he never even addressed the Numerical Miracles (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1999.msg8259#msg8259) in the Glorious Quran. And you also danced around this point. And he also said he's uncertain about the Scientific Miracles. So he wasn't even speaking with certainty, and worst, he is not even an Arabic speaker! I have used 7 encyclopedic Arabic dictionaries that demonstrated the Noble Words' Scientific meanings. The reader can visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
I also showed you Allah Almighty's Divine Prophecy and Promise about someday revealing (http://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm) His Miracles in the Universe and inside ourselves so that the Miracles of the Quran would make it abundantly clear that this Holy Book is indeed the Divine Truth.
I am going to freeze this thread. People have lives, and I don't like it when they start getting obsessed with blogging. It becomes addictive and compulsory.
To the reader, to see where Stardusty had been thoroughly refuted, begin reading here:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1999.msg8248#msg8248
Also, my refutation to brother Hamza Tzortzis is located here:
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1999.msg8259#msg8259
You're still welcomed to blog on this board. Just don't spam please! I still want to be fair to you.
This thread is now locked.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 20, 2016, 02:40:51 PM
1- Black holes, www.answering-christianity.com/black_holes.htm
2- Pulsars (knocking and piercing), www.answering-christianity.com/pulsars_are_knocking_and_penetrating.htm
3- Our sun will turn into a White Dwarf (Science says because it lacks iron). The Glorious Quran said also that our sun will turn into a White Dwarf: www.answering-christianity.com/sun_becomes_white_dwarf_star.htm
4- The expansion of the earth. Science declares that it was 10% of its current size today. The Glorious Quran fully supports this: www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm
5- The moon reflects light, www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_eldin/light_of_moon.htm
6- The earth's egg-shaped physical form and orbit: www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
7- The moon's S-Shaped orbit around the earth: www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm
8- The Universe is full of Cosmic Webs: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe
9- When a Solar System explodes (Samaa' is singular Heaven and not Plural Samawaat) it blows up and forms a shape of a rose: www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#explosion_of_universe
(http://www.answering-christianity.com/warda.jpg)
There are literally 10s of other STUNNING Miracles mentioned in the Glorious Quran. See them at:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
This brief post does not do it justice!
Don't forget also to visit the Glorious Quran's stunning Numerical Miracles:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah