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SUNNI-SHIA DEBATE! / TO ALL SHIAS: Allah forbade us from dwelling in what the people before us did
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:08:08 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

The following URL has a thorough refutation and adequate response to the Shias' rubbish and fitnah (tumult).  One important point that they should pay attention to is that Allah Almighty forbade us to dwell into what the people before us did.  Their days have passed, and we are forbidden from harming the Muslims by what they did.  Allah Almighty Commanded us to never dwell in the past of the people before us, nor bear responsibility for what they did:

[002:134]  That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!

‏2:134 تلك امة قد خلت لها ماكسبت ولكم ماكسبتم ولاتسألون عما كانوا يعملون

[002:141]  That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case:

‏2:141 تلك امة قد خلت لها ماكسبت ولكم ماكسبتم ولاتسألون عما كانوا يعملون


So forcing the Muslims to live the past of what people did to each others 1,400 years ago is clearly forbidden in the Glorious Quran.

For ample more details, visit:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir
« on: February 05, 2013, 06:08:54 PM »
Quote from: Mujahid Saifullah on February 05, 2013, 04:27:22 PM
It always makes me sick when Muslims call other Muslims kafir. It's divisive and benefits no one.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

Believe me, it makes me sick too.  But it also makes me more sick when we, the mainstream Muslims, stand back like this and let deviant heretics have a field day with Islam through their pagan and idol worshiping practices.  I've already demonstrated this thoroughly by debating a Shia here on this board, as you know.  All of our exchanges were linked in the following URL:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

And I posed a question to all Muslims to answer at the very end of this article.  And I pose direct it to you here as well:

I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship and polytheism, then what is it??

Please read the link before giving a too general answer.  If you want to object to my point, then I expect a more direct answer to the points that I listed in this link above.  And by the way, Allah Almighty did call Muslims as:

1-  Hypocrites.
2-  Mushrikeen (polytheists, idol worshipers, associators partners with Allah Almighty).

In the Glorious Quran.  So yes, you can declare a Muslim as a muskhrik if he does polytheistic and paganistic stuff.  And the Shias are so full of these!

And to answer the other brother who said:

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Calling another Muslim a kaafir has been listed by scholars as The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

Careless use of this word is certainly a big sin, because it promotes tumult (fitnah) among Muslims.  But injecting false polytheistic rituals into Islam, and insulting Allah Almighty, and also declaring that the Glorious Quran is corrupt puts someone outside Islam.  Visit the link above.

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Calling another professed Muslim a kaafir

If that other "Muslim" wants to destroy the basic pillars of Islam, then no, you must fight them.  Did not the 1st Islamic Caliph, Abu Bakr fight the apostates because they wanted to changed the laws of Zakat and leave Islam?  They had several groups and several purposes.  Also, does not satan himself also believe that GOD Almighty is One?  Is satan now a Muslim?

Your point is valid if one carelessly and irresponsibly declares Muslims as infidels or apostates.  Just because, for instance, you and I might disagree on something, it doesn't mean that I should declare you an infidel.  This would be completely wrong, and it's a great sin.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question for Quransearchcom
« on: February 05, 2013, 06:00:57 PM »
Quote from: There is only one God on February 05, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
Have you found the Qur'an yet? It's bugging me seeing you are searching for the Quran everywhere. Even your youtube page is named "Quransearchcom" as in Quran Search Company. Even here we see you are looking for the lost Quran.

I am not sure what you mean by "Have you found the Qur'an yet?".  I did write a detailed article on the Glorious Quran's Moral Code, where I extracted 195 of them from the Holy Book.  This was only possible through this project.  You can visit the link at: www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm.

I was planning on writting many new thorough and detailed articles like this one.  I will insha'Allah do that soon.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:28:13 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

Keep the following Noble Verse in mind as you read the following detailed rebuttal:

[018:102]  Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? (this includes Ali, Fatimah, Jesus, Mary, etc...) Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

18:102 افحسب الذين كفروا ان يتخذوا عبادي من دوني اولياء انا اعتدنا جهنم للكافرين نزلا


More Noble Verses below....

Also, let me make it clear that the "Shias" (notice the double quotes) that do not do the things that are mentioned in details below, are not Shias, and they may very well be ordinary Muslims.  Many of the general public of any faith, and even cults, are not that religious, and may not necessarily follow their cults' ways.  Such "Shias" in this case are ordinary Muslims, and not a cult, as long as they truly DO NOT follow nor believe in the polytheistic things that are detailed below.  And such people are strongly advised to distance themselves from this polytheistic and deviant cult.


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@Osama

My comment proves your lies about Shia, you just want to mix other sects beliefs with Shia beliefs. Shias say ya Ali (as) as the prophet (saww) said ya Ali (as) whenever he wanted something done, its sunna. We don't say ya Ali (as) when we make duas, we ask Allah (SWT) alone. If Shias were idol worshippers all Sunni shiekhs would focus on that issue as then Shias can't say nothing as they go directly against the Quran like sunnis (5:6 is an example).

"Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today.  The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna."

You don't follow the sunna of the prophet (saww), you follow Umar's innovations, you follow the sunna of Umar.

Are the Sunnies paying attention here?  Even the Prophet of Islam used to call unto Ali when he needed help and needed to get something done.

"We don't say ya Ali (as) when we make duas, we ask Allah (SWT) alone."

False!  And the proof about this is from your top scholars from Najaf and Qum who said that IT IS A MUST UPON YOU to call unto Ali as well when you make supplication and prayer to Allah Almighty.  Calling unto Allah Almighty isn't enough. 

In fact, one of your scholars in the video mocked the Sunnies by saying "Screem all you want to Allah and you won't be heard".  Would any Sunni Sheikh or Scholar DARE to say this?  The answer is clearly no.

To the reader again, watch these videos and see the ample clips of their top scholars for yoursef:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

Furthermore, in real Islam, we seek and worship Allah Almighty Alone.  Not only that, but the best way to make supplications or requests from Allah Almighty is to ask Him, the Almighty, in humility while your face is on the ground in prostration.  This is a foreign concept in Shiism's polytheistic cult.  You have to ask Ali or anyone from the people of the Bayt to go to Allah Almighty and make the request on your behalf [2].  It's compulsory upon you!  It's not an option.  Otherwise, you're not a Shia if you don't, because your top scholars clearly command this, and it's well known that it is widely practiced among the Shias, and you yourself even strongly defended it here (see links to our dialogue below).  We don't seek Allah Almighty THROUGH any mediator.  This is one major fundamental difference between us and you.  And again, Allah Almighty said regarding the likes of your polytheistic cult:

[018:102]  Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? (this includes Ali, Fatimah, Jesus, Mary, etc...) Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

18:102 افحسب الذين كفروا ان يتخذوا عبادي من دوني اولياء انا اعتدنا جهنم للكافرين نزلا


More Noble Verses of this kind below....

The following video demonstrates how the real Muslims pray to Allah Almighty in contrast with the Christians' mass hysteria and absurdities:

The Christians' Mass Hysteria

The Muslims' Proper Prayer

(Click to play film-clip)
  
 


"You don't follow the sunna of the prophet (saww), you follow Umar's innovations, you follow the sunna of Umar."

Your polytheistic cult MUST vilify some of the Companions of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and upon all of the Righteous Believers, in order for it to justify itself and its very own existence.  Otherwise, it would crumble into devestation from within.  It would self-refute and self-nullify itself.  And even with the vilification, it still self-refutes and self-nullifies itself as the following three main points, among many, clear demonstrate:

1-  Caliph Umar, the 2nd Islamic Rightly Guided Caliph, who spread Islam to Persia and liberated all of Arabia from Persia and Rome, is among the very least narrators of the Hadiths.  Not only that, but he also married Ali's daughter according to even your sources!  So there is no doubt to any ordinary and objective Muslim that he was a righteous believer, even with his short-comings and mistakes in judgement, where he was corrected by Ali and others, peace be upon all of them.  But despite all of this, even if we were to remove all of the Hadiths that Umar narrated, and throw them all out, that still wouldn't even create a dent in the Sunnah and the vast Hadiths collections that we have from the many many Companions, who worked tirelessly to preserve the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.  To the reader, please visit the following link to see the Glorious Quran's Overwhelming Scientific Miracles:

a-  The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.  Allah Almighty Said:

"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

Indeed, this Divine Promise by Allah Almighty has been proven to be 100% True by the Scientific discoveries of today, that are in great harmony with the Glorious Quran's Scientific Notions about how Allah Almighty created certain things.

Furthermore, let's never forget the Glorious Quran's #19 Miracle, which Allah Almighty called "One of the Greatest Miracles" (74:35) [1], which only our Computer Age today could verify.  This Great Miracle was made and designed for us today.

2-  Furthermore, ask any of your Shia scholars, your "Hadiths" were written at least 100-200 years after our Hadiths.  So if you reject our Sunnah, then certainly you have nothing to stand on.  Also, our Hadiths are widely used by your scholars.  They always quote from them and use them, even when teaching to other Shias.

3-  Furthermore, Allah Almighty Commanded us to never dwell in the past of the people before us, nor bear responsibility for what they did:

[002:134]  That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!

‏2:134 تلك امة قد خلت لها ماكسبت ولكم ماكسبتم ولاتسألون عما كانوا يعملون

[002:141]  That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case:

‏2:141 تلك امة قد خلت لها ماكسبت ولكم ماكسبتم ولاتسألون عما كانوا يعملون


So forcing the Muslims to live the past of what people did to each others 1,400 years ago is clearly forbidden in the Glorious Quran.  And remember also that Allah Almighty forbade creating tumult and inner-conflicts among Muslims.  It is so forbidden, that Allah Almighty said that it is worse than slaughter:

[002:191]  And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Anyway, so much for your tumult, continuous too-lengthy-spams (that I had to remove, and nonsense.  I am going to ban you and lock this topic to prevent further fitnah.  I just wanted the Muslims to see for themselves what these infidels are like.  And yes, they are infidels, because they are polytheists.

To the reader, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/muslim_polytheists.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Also, if you wish to see the direct dialogues that I had with Amar in this thread (since it has too many posts), then visit these links:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2858.html#msg2858
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2753.html#msg2753
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2792.html#msg2792
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2821.html#msg2821

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2831.html#msg2831 (this is also where they inflict bloody punishment on themselves and their children TODAY for betraying and disowning Hussein 1,400 years ago.)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2841.html#msg2841

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2844.html#msg2844 (This is where I explain why he would get banned.  He was spamming.)

Furthermore, again, watch this video to see how they cut themselves and their children for also mere creations as well, as self-inflicting punishment upon themselves and their children for betraying Hussein 1,400 years ago:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship and polytheism, then what is it??

I'd like to end this rebuttal with the following Noble Verses for all Shias to ponder upon (along with every other one I presented):

[018:103]  Say: "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?-

[018:104]  "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?"

And these Noble Verses:

[006:022]  That day, We will gather them all together and We will say to those who associate partners with Him, “Now, where are all those beings you used to claim as partners (of Allah)?”

[006:023]  Then, they will not have any recourse except to say, “(We swear) by Allah, our Lord, we did not associate partners (with Allah).”

[006:024]  Observe, how they will lie against themselves. And the false gods they invent now, shall all vanish.

Your obsession with the People of the Bayt is far beyond mere reverence.  It's clear idol worship.  They are idolized by you.  Do you not see that the following Noble Verses also apply to you:

[009:031]  They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

[003:064]  Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will).

[018:102]  Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? (this includes Ali, Fatimah, Jesus, Mary, etc...) Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

What more could be said?!  Certainly , not every single existing Shia is a polytheist or an idol worshiper.  But the religion of Shiism is nothing but a false polytheistic cult.  I hope this is abundantly clear to everyone.  Stop dwelling in some the stupid past, Shias!  It's not like anyone today has anything to do with it.  So why beat the day lights and cut yourselves and your children (??) to almost-death??  For who??  And for what??  Allah Almighty clearly forbade you from doing this, as I clearly demonstrated in the ample Noble Verses above.  Believe me everyone, there are many many more Noble Verses that I can provide.  But the ones above should most definitely suffice for those who are guided. 

And last and not least, did you also know that the word "Shia" is also forbidden in the Glorious Quran?  Allah Almighty DIRECTLY told us to not be Shias (divisions) in the Glorious Quran (30:31-32).  It's like you naming yourself a Kafir (infidel) Muslim, or a Mushrik (polythiestic) Muslim.  It doesn't work.  So even the name of this polytheistic and deviant cult is repulsive!  Please also visit: www.answering-christianity.com/muslim_polytheists.htm (see main section 3, sub-section C).

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:58:11 AM »
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3- You comment about Christians is in favour of my case, they say we worship Muhammad (saww). "Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it." I can say the same to you, it doesn't matter how many times I prove to you using the Quran and your hadiths, you "still don't get it."

You quote:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

Did I say Allah (SWT) won't listen to you unless you ask him in the name of Muhammad (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Let me re-paste what I said:

They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

Quran 4:64

Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.

Islam is 100% innocent from your polytheistic and idol-worshiping cult.  You turned mere creations of GOD Almighty into objects of worship.  I have thoroughly demonstrated this from the Glorious Quran in great details at these links:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

One point I'd like to add regarding your cult is that the dead people do not hear us, nor can they help us.  The Believers are alive with Allah Almighty in Heaven.  But they don't hear us, nor do they have anything do with us here on earth after they die:

[007:029] Say: "My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight: such as He created you in the beginning, so shall ye return."

[007:194]  Verily those whom ye call upon besides God are servants like unto you: Call upon them, and let them listen to your prayer, if ye are (indeed) truthful!
[007:195]  Have they feet to walk with? Or hands to lay hold with? Or eyes to see with? Or ears to hear with? Say: "Call your 'god-partners', scheme (your worst) against me, and give me no respite!
[007:196]  "For my Protector is God, Who revealed the Book (from time to time), and He will choose and befriend the righteous.
[007:197]  "But those ye call upon besides Him, are unable to help you, and indeed to help themselves."
[007:198]  If thou callest them to guidance, they hear not. Thou wilt see them looking at thee, but they see not.

[030:052] Of course, you cannot make the dead hear you. Nor can you make the deaf hear your call, (particularly) when they turn their backs to avoid you.

[036:012] Of course, it is We Who grants life back to the dead. We are recording all the deeds they send ahead, as well as all the traces they leave behind! We have preserved an account of all things in a clear and well-protected register!

[006:036]  Those who listen (in truth), be sure, will accept: as to the dead, God will raise them up; then will they be turned unto Him.

[003:169] Do not ever think that, those slain in the path of Allah are dead. In fact, they are living! (Ranked high) with their Lord, they receive their sustenance.

[006:036] In fact, only those who care to listen attentively can respond (to the call). As for the dead, Allah will bring them to life, and then they would be presented before Him (for reckoning).

There is a difference between you asking a pious person here on earth to make Dua (Supplication) to GOD Almighty to help you, and you praying to the dead (Ahlul Bayt and Prophets) for:

1-  Protection.
2-  Aid.
3-  Mercy.
4-  Forgiveness.

They are dead here on earth, and they are alive with GOD Almighty in Heaven.  So praying to Allah Almighty through any creation is completely wrong, and is outside Islam.  And worse, your cult GLORIFIES the certain creations.  I don't want to talk too much about it here, because we have thoroughly demonstrated it from the Glorious Quran at the links that I gave above.



Quote from: Koray on February 05, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
Its starting to get really confusing , i'm following this topic and have read all post i think(ok maybe a few long ones) , i'm a Sunni and i was curious as to why Shia's called kafirs , i asked my mother about it and she said they were not kafirs and its very dangerous to call them kafirs because Allah knows best , if they are telling that they are Muslims , than the rest is between them and Allah , we must respect them because they are our brothers in Islam.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

It's not confusing if you isolate their idol worshing cult practices from everything else.  What this shia was doing here is drown the text and mix everything together.  Hence, creating the impression that calling him and his cult polytheists is against Islam.  This is why I am forcing this topic to be only limited to Tawheed (Oneness of Allah Almighty), and their cult's pagan and idol worshing practices.  The conflicts that happened between some of the Companions is irrelevant to all of this.

To help you understand this much better, visit the following three videos, and insha'Allah, the picture will become clear to you:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

Watch what their top scholars say (from Qum and Najaf) about how to make supplication and prayers to Allah Almighty.  It's invalid if Ali or any member from the people of the Bayt is not in it.  In other words, you're not allowed to pray to Allah Almighty directly and to Him Alone.  Imagine!  Also, when you teach your baby child how to summon his/her strength and walk, you must teach them to call upon Ali for help and stregth.  Also, pay attention to the little girl who doesn't even know how to thank Allah Almighty!

Furthermore, watch this video to see how they cut themselves and their children for also mere creations as well:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship, then what is it??

In the Name of Allah, what is it??

I demand an answer from every single one of you here, because this is THE bottom line to all of this discussion.

Amar, I will refute, again, your nonsense in details later on.  Any post you make on any creation of Allah Almighty will be deleted.  I want you to be locked in this topic and this topic only to show everyone how ridiculous and polytheistic your cult is.

Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today.  The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna.

Osama Abdallah

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 05, 2013, 07:49:09 AM »
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Shut. The. bad. Up.

Hahahaha!  Thank GOD my filter worked :).  Bad bad bad Tanveer! :). hehehehhehe

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:42:53 PM »
Amar,

I have removed your last 10-page post.  You're really begening to get on my last nerve here, because you continue to drown the debate with stupid links that only mock some Sunni imams in some Mosques for exposing some of your toy guns that you give to your children with modified voices, which say "Shoot Aisha!" (ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4_7nw1AEs), and give silly narrations about off-topic discussions about the some of the Prophet's Companions.

For the 10th and the last time for you (next time I will ban you), please address the points that I mentioned to you above, which thoroughly demonstrated that your cult is a cult of polytheists.  I don't care about your opinion about our Mother Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar and so on.  You can keep your opinions to yourself, because they are irrelevant to this discussion.

I am sick and tired of you intentionally posting excessively large posts that do not answer the main point here.  Again, reply directly to my points, or I will ban you.  Reply point for point, or you're out.  Ok?  Spammers are not welcomed here.  I let you post all of the excessive links to give you the room and the benefit of the doubt.  But you seem to be a ludicrous clown who doesn't want to address the main point directly.

So for the last time, either address me DIRECTLY, or I am sorry, I won't let you drown this discussion.  If my points are a threat to your cult, then maybe it's time to reconsider.  But don't intentionally drown my posts with 10-page garbage that is completely off topic.

And no, I am not scared of your stupid narrations.  I just don't care for them.  They're irrelevant to me, because I have TONS OF PROOFS that demonstrated that your cult is all polythiest.  This my friend by itself, if true, will DOOM YOU TO HELL FOR ENTERNITY.  So I don't think your stupid opinion about a mere creation such as Aisha and others really matters beyond this.  First prove that you're not a polytheist, and then we can talk about your silly links about making fun of Imams in Mosques, and critiquing some of the Companions.

I hope this is clear.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: "with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you, says the Lord"
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:31:06 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Again, I recommend everyone to visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm.  Trinity is refuted there, the crucifixion is refuted there, and many other topics.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:04:59 PM »
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Just to add, I'm honestly suprised you chose to ridicule the act of tatbir after reading my previous comment, you are basically ridiculing the prophet (saww).

As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

You guys do realize that tatbir (tat-beer) is the act of cutting and beating yourself with sharp objects, right?  Notice how this polytheist here didn't even object to the guy who almost killed himself by almost splitting his entire back deeply and wide open with the sharp sword that he swung at himself:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Not only that, but I am now the one who is ridiculing the Prophet of Islam too.  I just want everyone to take notice of this.  These polytheists are way too deviants and heretics.  Let's see what is that Hadith again Amar?  Oh, the person who hit his face with both of his hands because he was grieving?  This now justifies all of the evil garbage that you and your pagans do?  Quite ludicrous to say the least.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 02:42:55 PM »
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Shia is the original Islam, Imam Hussein (as) before he sacrificed himself said he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather preached. It was the Sunnis who deviated following the innovations of Umar and co. I will prove this soon from your sources but I first want brother Osama's reply before I move on.

Imam Hussein, peace be upon him, did not sacrifice himself to restore the original Islam.  Islam was already there and original:

[005:003]  Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

What Imam Hussein went out to fight was the corruption that was caused by Muawiyah and his and his son, Yazid.  I don't dispute that, and I said countless times before that I am with Ali and Hussein against Muawiyah and Yazid anyday any time.

Hussein was strongly advised by the people of Medina to not go to Iraq.  They told him that it was going to be fruitless and dangerous for him, because the people of Iraq have already betrayed his father and his older brother, Hasan.  Hussein wasn't gonna be any different, and he wasn't really that much anyway as far as popularity and status and power among the people of Iraq.  You can say he was probably almost irrelevant to them.  And sure enough, he didn't take the advise and set out to Iraq.  He was cut off by and killed.  And no one from Iraq (his supposed army) gave a hoot about him.  And to add further annhialation to injury, his head was dragged from karbala all the way to Damascus by a horse, while his head was on the ground.  And no one from his supposed army lifted a finger to even care.  And now you bark like rabid dogs for him, and injure yourselves and your own children almost to death for him.  It's like rushing to the soccer match when the game is up and everyone left home.  You're too late.  So give it up and start worshiping Allah Almighty for once.  They're all dead.  And they're all with the Judge of Judges now.  Let Him, the Almighty, sort it all out as He should and would.  You're all idol worshipers.

It's a horrible tragedy!!  No Sunni on this earth denies it!  But we don't worship Hussein and turn him into a god because of it.  It's against Islam, and I've already thoroughly demonstrated this in my previous reply.  And we don't do the following to ourselves as your pagan people do (as self-inflicting punishment):


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

You are no more than rabid idol worshipers.  Plain and simple.  You are polytheists, and this is what the Glorious Quran describes you, and I've given the ample Noble Vereses above that thoroughly proved it.

Give it up.  It's all over.  You should worry about your own salvations now, because that seems to be too compromised by your rabid pagan practices.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 02:34:57 PM »
Quote from: Tanveer on February 04, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
Brother Osama, why did you create this section? It's pointless, no one's going to change their views. Can we please just stop this bull?

No bull about it brother.  Truth seeking is never bull.  I am not fighting with anyone here, and I am allowing Amar to speak his mind freely and to quote freely as he wishes.  I really honestly want to see what the Shias have from evidence.  I want their best arguments to be put forth.  Plain and simple akhi.  No need to be offended about it.  I promise you and everyone that I'll tone down the responses.  And yes akhi, people do change.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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SUNNI-SHIA DEBATE! / Re: Br. Osama Abdullah is the biggest hypocrite
« on: February 04, 2013, 01:34:56 PM »
LOL, I find it funny that you guys are delving into Ataturk's history under the title: "Osama Abdullah is the biggest hypocrite".  LOOLLL.

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 01:25:42 PM »
Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 04, 2013, 01:14:10 PM
As'salamu Alaikum,

Before we begin, I'd like all readers to first watch this brief video about the despicable Shias and their pagan rituals to get a real perspective and feel of what we're talking about when we declare them to be true 100% polytheists and pagans:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Now to the refutation...

Quote from: amar on February 03, 2013, 10:49:23 PM
Sallam

before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.

Wa Alaikum As'salam,

I know you're too polluted with your false religion of worshing creations.  I get the same thing from the ignorant ones from the Christians about us supposedly worshing Prophet Muhammad.  Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it.  You are in the same absurd category of ignorance and polytheism.  You continue to reduce Islam to debating mere creations, while I continue to say over and over and over that the reason why you're an infidel and believe in a repulsive religion of idol worship is because:

1-  You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointless, which is why you pray to Him through supplicating and praying THROUGH MERE CREATIONS.  This is in direct conflict with ample Noble Verses such as the following:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

I also showed this from ample clips from your top scholars:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

2-  You worship mere creations (the people of Bayt) by directly and openly and shamelessly seeking their:

1-  Protection.
2-  Help.
3-  Aid.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Blessings.

You even bow to their graves, come crawling to their graves, and openly worship their graves.

Here is what Allah Almighty Said about your people and repulsive pagan religion:

‏6:22 ويوم نحشرهم جميعا ثم نقول للذين اشركوا اين شركاؤكم الذين كنتم تزعمون

‏6:23 ثم لم تكن فتنتهم الا ان قالوا والله ربنا ما كنا مشركين

‏6:24 انظر كيف كذبوا على انفسهم وضل عنهم ما كانوا يفترون

[006:022]  One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): "Where are the partners whom ye (invented and) talked about?"

[006:023]  There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By God our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with God."

[006:024]  Behold! how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.

And also:

‏9:31 اتخذوا احبارهم ورهبانهم اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم وماامروا الا ليعبدوا الها واحدا لااله الا هو سبحانه عما يشركون

[009:031] They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

3-  Your bloody rituals, where you cut not only yourselves almost to death, but also your children are beyond repulsive:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Yet, according to Islam, you do not even own your own body.  It belongs to Allah Almighty Alone, and it will testify for you and against you in the Day of Judgement.  Yet, you not only cut your bodies, but you also cut your children as the video above shows:

"That day, their tongues, their hands and their feet would testify against them regarding what they used to do.  (The Noble Quran, 24:24)"

"When you used to cover up and conceal your evil deeds, (you never considered) that your ears, your eyes and your skin would testify against you. In fact, you thought that (if you hide your deeds) Allah would not find out much of what you do.  (The Noble Quran, 41:22)"

What more could be said about your repulsive and sick and demented pagan religion??

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Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims.

This is where you and your pagan Shias get ridiculous.  Like I mentioned before:

1-  The polytheist trinitarian pagans do not represent Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon them.  Christ and his Mother are innocent from them and their idol worship.  Yet, the pagans constantly claim that everyone else HATES CHRIST, and is anti-Christ.

2-  Similarly, the people of Bayt are innocent and pucking and disgusted from your pagan and false religion and people, and they are far far away from you.  Your repulsive religion is so despicable, that Hell is too cold of a place for you.  This is clearly shown in the video above.

And to answer your silly point:  No, no Sunni on this earth hates the people of Bayt.  In fact, we revere them so much, and love them so much that we defend them from infidels like your pagan people who worship them.

As to the rest of your ridiculous points and examples about people got upset that they slapped themselves or punched themselves, or grieved bad, those are examples of genuine grievances that don't mean anything here.  You worship the people of the Bayt as I thoroughly demonstrated above.

And as to intercession, again, there is a difference between asking a pious person to make supplications or prayers for you before Allah Almighty, and you DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD, and the only way to do get GOD Almighty's Attention is by praying through the people of the Bayt.  Your top scholars say this.  Again see the ample clips about what they said:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

You and I are talking about totally different things here.

This dialogue has further demonstrated how hopelessly deceived your pagan people are.  Keep cutting yourself with knives.  The Doom of Hell is your final Abode.

Osama Abdallah


As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Can you please allow the reader to read my and Amar's responses? 

Thank you,
Osama Abdallah

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POLLS & VOTING / Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« on: February 04, 2013, 01:14:10 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum,

Before we begin, I'd like all readers to first watch this brief video about the despicable Shias and their pagan rituals to get a real perspective and feel of what we're talking about when we declare them to be true 100% polytheists and pagans:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Now to the refutation...

Quote from: amar on February 03, 2013, 10:49:23 PM
Sallam

before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.

Wa Alaikum As'salam,

I know you're too polluted with your false religion of worshing creations.  I get the same thing from the ignorant ones from the Christians about us supposedly worshing Prophet Muhammad.  Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it.  You are in the same absurd category of ignorance and polytheism.  You continue to reduce Islam to debating mere creations, while I continue to say over and over and over that the reason why you're an infidel and believe in a repulsive religion of idol worship is because:

1-  You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointless, which is why you pray to Him through supplicating and praying THROUGH MERE CREATIONS.  This is in direct conflict with ample Noble Verses such as the following:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

I also showed this from ample clips from your top scholars:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

2-  You worship mere creations (the people of Bayt) by directly and openly and shamelessly seeking their:

1-  Protection.
2-  Help.
3-  Aid.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Blessings.

You even bow to their graves, come crawling to their graves, and openly worship their graves.

Here is what Allah Almighty Said about your people and repulsive pagan religion:

‏6:22 ويوم نحشرهم جميعا ثم نقول للذين اشركوا اين شركاؤكم الذين كنتم تزعمون

‏6:23 ثم لم تكن فتنتهم الا ان قالوا والله ربنا ما كنا مشركين

‏6:24 انظر كيف كذبوا على انفسهم وضل عنهم ما كانوا يفترون

[006:022]  One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): "Where are the partners whom ye (invented and) talked about?"

[006:023]  There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By God our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with God."

[006:024]  Behold! how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.

And also:

‏9:31 اتخذوا احبارهم ورهبانهم اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم وماامروا الا ليعبدوا الها واحدا لااله الا هو سبحانه عما يشركون

[009:031] They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

3-  Your bloody rituals, where you cut not only yourselves almost to death, but also your children are beyond repulsive:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Yet, according to Islam, you do not even own your own body.  It belongs to Allah Almighty Alone, and it will testify for you and against you in the Day of Judgement.  Yet, you not only cut your bodies, but you also cut your children as the video above shows:

"That day, their tongues, their hands and their feet would testify against them regarding what they used to do.  (The Noble Quran, 24:24)"

"When you used to cover up and conceal your evil deeds, (you never considered) that your ears, your eyes and your skin would testify against you. In fact, you thought that (if you hide your deeds) Allah would not find out much of what you do.  (The Noble Quran, 41:22)"

What more could be said about your repulsive and sick and demented pagan religion??

Quote
Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims.

This is where you and your pagan Shias get ridiculous.  Like I mentioned before:

1-  The polytheist trinitarian pagans do not represent Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon them.  Christ and his Mother are innocent from them and their idol worship.  Yet, the pagans constantly claim that everyone else HATES CHRIST, and is anti-Christ.

2-  Similarly, the people of Bayt are innocent and pucking and disgusted from your pagan and false religion and people, and they are far far away from you.  Your repulsive religion is so despicable, that Hell is too cold of a place for you.  This is clearly shown in the video above.

And to answer your silly point:  No, no Sunni on this earth hates the people of Bayt.  In fact, we revere them so much, and love them so much that we defend them from infidels like your pagan people who worship them.

As to the rest of your ridiculous points and examples about people got upset that they slapped themselves or punched themselves, or grieved bad, those are examples of genuine grievances that don't mean anything here.  You worship the people of the Bayt as I thoroughly demonstrated above.

And as to intercession, again, there is a difference between asking a pious person to make supplications or prayers for you before Allah Almighty, and you DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD, and the only way to do get GOD Almighty's Attention is by praying through the people of the Bayt.  Your top scholars say this.  Again see the ample clips about what they said:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

You and I are talking about totally different things here.

This dialogue has further demonstrated how hopelessly deceived your pagan people are.  Keep cutting yourself with knives.  The Doom of Hell is your final Abode.

Osama Abdallah


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Muslim cutting open his own back?
« on: February 04, 2013, 10:17:01 AM »
Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 04, 2013, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: There is only one God on February 04, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: QuranSearchCom on February 04, 2013, 09:45:30 AM
As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

I have uploaded the video to my Youtube channel and also to the main website at: www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links.



Take care,
Osama Abdallah

...Why are you so obsessed with violence? Are you a masochist?

Obssessed with violence? LOL.  I believe this question should be directed to the Shias, akhi :). 

Where is brother Amar (the Shia Hero) from this post??  No comments?  Please quote us the Quranic verses that support this ritual.

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