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« on: December 09, 2013, 04:07:02 PM »
AsalamuAlaikum,

I was wondering who runs www.answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 11:16:31 PM »
That would be me and a friend of mine  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2013, 08:43:30 AM »
That would be me and a friend of mine  ;D

Hehe. I thought it was! I was impressed by the website and wanted to offer any help I can on any projects or articles you plan on writing. Especially this one:

http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/wiki-islam-debunked.html

I thought I could share my research with you and you could take what you wish from it and incorpate it into your articles when you plan writing them.

Just an idea. Tell me what you think.  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 12:42:41 PM »
That would be me and a friend of mine  ;D

Hehe. I thought it was! I was impressed by the website and wanted to offer any help I can on any projects or articles you plan on writing. Especially this one:

http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/wiki-islam-debunked.html

I thought I could share my research with you and you could take what you wish from it and incorpate it into your articles when you plan writing them.

Just an idea. Tell me what you think.  ;D

That is a great idea!! Wiki-Islam debunked is another large project of ours.

I just wanted to let you know how we are debunking wiki-Islam. We have displayed 3 principles of Islam and we will use them to debunk Wiki-Islam!

Principle one: Allah cannot give you proof of his existence or it would violate your purpose in life
Principle two: the Quran is timeless, so it has to be multi-layered in its translation to support 7th century belief AND modern belief without contradicting either one!
Principle three: Since the Quran is multi-layered in its translations, there are multiple translations that can be kept. If you think there is a contradiction in the Quran, ask yourself:

  • Have I made any unverified assumptions?
  • Have I considered all possible definitions of the words?
  • Have I considered all possible translations of the words?
  • Have I considered all grammatical syntactic definitions/renderings?

If there is one valid translation that does not produce a contradiction, then it is not a contradiction. Simple as that  :)
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So with these three principles, we apply them to wiki-Islam's contradictions. For example:

Wiki-Islam claims the Quran follows the geo-centric model of the universe because of this verse:

[Quran 21:33] And He it is who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

Imagine this verse has said that they are in an orbit floating around the earth. This would be a case in which the Quran supports 7th century belief but contradicts modern belief. Those words were conveniently not placed there so that the Quran maintains its timeless nature. Notice the preciseness of that verse!

Does this verse support 7th century belief that the Sun and the Moon travel around the Earth: Yes  (second principle application)

Does this verse support modern belief that the Sun and the Moon are each traveling in an orbit: Yes (second principle application)

The Sun definitely travels in an orbit. You will find many examples like this throughout the Quran. Certain words were avoided so that the Quran maintains its timeless nature! The mechanism the Quran does this is through vagueness and word avoidance! (here you have a case in which the QUran is sufficiently vague so that it doesn't compel everyone, where the Quran is timeless supporting both beliefs, where the Quran is multi-layered and having multiple possible translations of a word).

This is how we plan on debunking wiki-Islam.

Wiki-Islam assumes that a revelation from God must:

1.) Clearly prove it is from God (WRONG-especially since in Islam it would violate your purpose in life)
2.) Must have only one valid translation-the translation they used at the 7th century (WRONG-especially since Arabic is a rich-language and that the Quran is timeless--this also contradicts Quran 6:67 where it says that for certain things in the Quran there is a time period where it will be made conscious to humans).
3.) Only support modern understanding instead of 7th century (WRONG, imagine the prophet told people the Earth is actually round and we share a common ancestor with apes--people would have thought he was crazy! To them the Earth is clearly flat and they would say that monkeys don't give birth to humans--as people today say).
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Re: Who runs www.answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 01:02:29 PM »
May Allah Almighty greatly bless you and your friend for all of your work, dear brother Mclinkin94.  Keep up the good work, akhi.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Who runs www.answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 11:31:02 PM »
May Allah Almighty greatly bless you and your friend for all of your work, dear brother Mclinkin94.  Keep up the good work, akhi.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Thank you. If many Muslims can open up their own blog and discuss Islamic concepts, It will be better for Islam!

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Re: Who runs www.answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 04:58:52 AM »
That would be me and a friend of mine  ;D

Hehe. I thought it was! I was impressed by the website and wanted to offer any help I can on any projects or articles you plan on writing. Especially this one:

http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/wiki-islam-debunked.html

I thought I could share my research with you and you could take what you wish from it and incorpate it into your articles when you plan writing them.

Just an idea. Tell me what you think.  ;D

That is a great idea!! Wiki-Islam debunked is another large project of ours.

I just wanted to let you know how we are debunking wiki-Islam. We have displayed 3 principles of Islam and we will use them to debunk Wiki-Islam!

Principle one: Allah cannot give you proof of his existence or it would violate your purpose in life
Principle two: the Quran is timeless, so it has to be multi-layered in its translation to support 7th century belief AND modern belief without contradicting either one!
Principle three: Since the Quran is multi-layered in its translations, there are multiple translations that can be kept. If you think there is a contradiction in the Quran, ask yourself:

  • Have I made any unverified assumptions?
  • Have I considered all possible definitions of the words?
  • Have I considered all possible translations of the words?
  • Have I considered all grammatical syntactic definitions/renderings?

If there is one valid translation that does not produce a contradiction, then it is not a contradiction. Simple as that  :)
---

So with these three principles, we apply them to wiki-Islam's contradictions. For example:

Wiki-Islam claims the Quran follows the geo-centric model of the universe because of this verse:

[Quran 21:33] And He it is who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

Imagine this verse has said that they are in an orbit floating around the earth. This would be a case in which the Quran supports 7th century belief but contradicts modern belief. Those words were conveniently not placed there so that the Quran maintains its timeless nature. Notice the preciseness of that verse!

Does this verse support 7th century belief that the Sun and the Moon travel around the Earth: Yes  (second principle application)

Does this verse support modern belief that the Sun and the Moon are each traveling in an orbit: Yes (second principle application)

The Sun definitely travels in an orbit. You will find many examples like this throughout the Quran. Certain words were avoided so that the Quran maintains its timeless nature! The mechanism the Quran does this is through vagueness and word avoidance! (here you have a case in which the QUran is sufficiently vague so that it doesn't compel everyone, where the Quran is timeless supporting both beliefs, where the Quran is multi-layered and having multiple possible translations of a word).

This is how we plan on debunking wiki-Islam.

Wiki-Islam assumes that a revelation from God must:

1.) Clearly prove it is from God (WRONG-especially since in Islam it would violate your purpose in life)
2.) Must have only one valid translation-the translation they used at the 7th century (WRONG-especially since Arabic is a rich-language and that the Quran is timeless--this also contradicts Quran 6:67 where it says that for certain things in the Quran there is a time period where it will be made conscious to humans).
3.) Only support modern understanding instead of 7th century (WRONG, imagine the prophet told people the Earth is actually round and we share a common ancestor with apes--people would have thought he was crazy! To them the Earth is clearly flat and they would say that monkeys don't give birth to humans--as people today say).

Sounds great! I agree the verses have to match the 7th century audience they were recited to, to no cause confusion, but also meet us in the 21st century.

I will send you a PM and we can start working in sha Allah.