Creation from clay?

[mclinkin94]

I'll let people judge .

Or you could discuss? I don't see my arguments as invalid.

[ali achinxo]

[mclinkin94]

[Md.Mobashir Mallick]

Actually its a 100% misconception about the theory evolution where many of us misunderstand the theory when we say that man evolved from apes , when you superficially read the theory you most probably misunderstand it , actually the theory states that man & apes had the common ancestor from which they evolved , but it doesn't say that man evolved from apes or vice versa

[Md.Mobashir Mallick]

@ Mclinkin 94 if you trust & have 100% faith in the Quran then you have to believe in the SAHIH HADITHS because although Allah sent us the Quran but along with it he also sent its most accurate interpreter I.e Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) many things are wriiten in the Quran but the ways to do them ain't mentioned in the Quran for ex. - reading Salaat 5 times a day is mentioned in the Quran but how to do it , we know from the Hadiths that's why if you believe in the Quran you gotta believe in the Sahih HADITHS I.e SAHIH BUKHARI & SAHIH MUSLIM WHICH ARE CONSIDERED TO BE THE MOST ACCURATE HADITHS & EVEN I DON'T COMPLETELY TRUST THE SCHOLARS BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO CAUSE ALLAH WON'T COME ON THE EARTH HIMSELF TO CLEAR YOUR doubts in the Quran & that's why he sent scholars on earth to explain it to you in a better manner

[ali achinxo]

Md Mobisher:

Asalamualaykum brother.  I have done some research about evolution, and with all the information i have gained evolution seems to be false. Although i do agree that there are bits and pieces of the theory that are true, like adaption and the gene pool increasing. So anyway, what do you say was the ancestor of humans. Am interested in your reply.

[Md.Mobashir Mallick]

My. Dear brother I too know that its not 100% correct but some facts like survival of the fittest & adaptation according to the environment are correct , I myself can prove that this theory is wrong by giving you short but effective points
1)the diagrams given by ernst haeckel of the embryos of different organisms were actually proved to be false when viewed through the microscope
2) the gase used by Urey & Miller in their expt to produce amino acids was a failure cause they produced some basic forms but it was impossible to make the complex compunds & secondly the gase used by them weren't correct acc. To the geologists the earlier atmosphere comprised of volcanic gases & when they were added in the expt the expt failed
3)the peppered moths photographs were fake , that white coloured moths didn't survived & black moths survived due to industrialization , actually the black moths don't even live in the tree barks , the dead moths were pinned on the tree & photographed
4) the fossils of rama pithecus , shiva pithecus etc were fakes , they were actually found to be man made
5)darwins finches who had grown their beaks for a few centimeters during the drought in galapagos island returned back to normal after the drought
Therefore all the basis on which this theory is based itself is wrong so how can the theory be right & moeover its till now called a theory & not a fact so how can a person believe upto 100% in a theory

[Md.Mobashir Mallick]

& my belief is that Allah is much more knowledgeable than any of the worldly scientists so I believe that Allah & his Prophet knows the best about the ancestors of humans & how he brought Adam alayhisalaaam in this world , but still Allah doesn't mention in what form was Adam (p.bu.h) was created in , coz we know hauwa alayhisalaam was produced from his spine or ribs I guess , & neither does the Quran mention anywhere that in which state he was brought into the world so I am not very certain on this topic , only thing which I can say now is that Allah knows the best

[Md.Mobashir Mallick]

& one thing I forgot to mention that till date no animal has been found to change its basic characteristics ( I.e change from one species to another) neither has any kind of mutation proved to be useful although some scientists say that africans have developed sickel cell anaemia in order to protect themselves from malaria but its like cutting your legs in order to prevent yourself from car accidents

[ali achinxo]

Salam

I want to let everyone know that i will not be responding to mclinkins post. I had been writing a reply to mclinkins response since yesterday, i stayed about 4-5 hours writting up in the blog box. I completed up to point 3 and with added more bulletpoints, stayed up till 4am until i fell asleep. so this morning i left firefox as it is and left to work, when i came back i planned to complete it. But my damn damn damn mozilla had a error and closed down. When i reoppened mozilla, the blog page came up but EVERYSINGLE THING that i wrote in the text box has gone. It just bloody went away. Damn this compiuterrr. I am so freaking angryy i cant tell you how much. Allahu Rabiiiii

All the work that i done is gone away. I have not the patience of researching everything from scratch again, and sadly the thoughts i gave in it are no longer in my head as i wrote it down. so i will stop my replies to this topic. everybody that reads this, please make your own research and see the truth for yourselves. If any reader wants to ask me a question about a point or a part of mclinkins reply to my post, please message me or something and inshallah i will answer. Well thats that

salam alaykum

[mclinkin94]

Salam

I want to let everyone know that i will not be responding to mclinkins post. I had been writing a reply to mclinkins response since yesterday, i stayed about 4-5 hours writting up in the blog box. I completed up to point 3 and with added more bulletpoints, stayed up till 4am until i fell asleep. so this morning i left firefox as it is and left to work, when i came back i planned to complete it. But my damn damn damn mozilla had a error and closed down. When i reoppened mozilla, the blog page came up but EVERYSINGLE THING that i wrote in the text box has gone. It just bloody went away. Damn this compiuterrr. I am so freaking angryy i cant tell you how much. Allahu Rabiiiii

All the work that i done is gone away. I have not the patience of researching everything from scratch again, and sadly the thoughts i gave in it are no longer in my head as i wrote it down. so i will stop my replies to this topic. everybody that reads this, please make your own research and see the truth for yourselves. If any reader wants to ask me a question about a point or a part of mclinkins reply to my post, please message me or something and inshallah i will answer. Well thats that

salam alaykum

Sorry to hear that.

You could sum up the response if you'd like. This is a really important topic in Islam and I would really like to discuss. I sincerely believe 100% that Allah has reminded us in the Quran that humans were created in stages and grew from the earth literally in stages like plants. Now, the Quran did NOT specify the details on how humans evolved or exactly all the stages we have been through. There are many reasons for this and the primary one is that the Quran is NOT a science book. The Quran only refers to the creation of humans in stages to give us a message that we should be grateful to our lord.

Let me ask you this: If Allah did not want to state that humans were created out of the earth in diverse stages would he say:

1.) That we were created in diverse stages and then a few verses later he says that we grew out of the earth progressively and gradually.
2.) That Allah created us THEN proportioned us
3.) That Allah created us THEN perfected us
4.) That Allah created us in a long process


^Does that sound like Allah doesn't want us to believe that humans were created out of the earth in stages in a long process
^All of these suggest that humans were created in diverse stages out of the earth and there are other many verses that show that Adam formed in an embryo himself!

Let me just state on thing. You were talking about doing research...What research? Scientific? or were you again looking for hadiths? Do us all a favor and spare me the hadith nonsense. I don't trust man's word, I trust only Allah's word. There is absolutely NO reason to believe in hadiths. I have discussed this before and this could be another debate. But the question we are asking here is: Does the QURAN alone support evolution. We are not asking do hadiths support evolution. The only research you need to do is only Quranic research. This is not a scientific debate, although, if you want it to be let me know.

[mclinkin94]

[Black Muslim]

Actually its a 100% misconception about the theory evolution where many of us misunderstand the theory when we say that man evolved from apes , when you superficially read the theory you most probably misunderstand it , actually the theory states that man & apes had the common ancestor from which they evolved , but it doesn't say that man evolved from apes or vice versa

Wither they calim we descend from apes or that we and apes are cousins is the same .

[QuranSearchCom]

Salam

I want to let everyone know that i will not be responding to mclinkins post. I had been writing a reply to mclinkins response since yesterday, i stayed about 4-5 hours writting up in the blog box. I completed up to point 3 and with added more bulletpoints, stayed up till 4am until i fell asleep. so this morning i left firefox as it is and left to work, when i came back i planned to complete it. But my damn damn damn mozilla had a error and closed down. When i reoppened mozilla, the blog page came up but EVERYSINGLE THING that i wrote in the text box has gone. It just bloody went away. Damn this compiuterrr. I am so freaking angryy i cant tell you how much. Allahu Rabiiiii

All the work that i done is gone away. I have not the patience of researching everything from scratch again, and sadly the thoughts i gave in it are no longer in my head as i wrote it down. so i will stop my replies to this topic. everybody that reads this, please make your own research and see the truth for yourselves. If any reader wants to ask me a question about a point or a part of mclinkins reply to my post, please message me or something and inshallah i will answer. Well thats that

salam alaykum

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Ali,

I am so sorry about what happened to you.  Always save your thoughts in Notepad, akhi, and then copy and paste them to the blog.  This is much safter, Insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

If you guys feel that a thread, any thread, is consuming your times, then let me know and I can lock it from further posts.  Just let me know.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Mohammed]

Assalam 3laikum Everyone

@mclinkin , dont you think Evolution for Humans is a hoax and dissporved multiple times, CAUSE TILL DATE THERE IS NO PROOF FOR IT. And here is a statement from Charles darwin himself

"But I believe in natural selection, not because, I can prove, in any single case; that it has changed one species into another, but because it groups and explains well (as it seems to me) a host of facts in classification, embryology, morphology, rudimentary organs, geological succession and distribution..." - Charles Darwin

The above statement is from Darwin's Letter, in which he explicitly states that he is aware of FAILING TO EXPLAIN evolution.

Darwin wrote this letter to Thomas Thorton Esq. in 1861.

The letter is contained in L'Evolution du monde vivant' [The Evolution of the Living World] [Published by Plon, Paris, 1950].

M. Vernet(the Author of the book) notes that the letter is preserved at the British Museum (Ref A DD MS. 37725f.6)]


Evolution is just an ideology which was accepted SO WIDELY JUST BECAUSE IT WENT AGAINST the catholic Church(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution).

http://www.discoveringislam.org/origin_of_man.htm <---- Enough proof that Evolution is Hoax like the Crucification of Christ.
Why do you have to put in a weak theory into the Quran ?

Who knows when this theory will get Officially disproved and then later, the NON-MUSLIMS, Completely ignoring the meaning of the Arabic Words, WiLL START POINTING THAT "QURAN HAS A SCIENTIFIC ERROR CAUSE IT SPEAKS ABOUT EVOLUTION" .

I think it is extremely best if you show ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC FACTS in the Holy Quran rather than the ones that are weak or disputed.

"Science always takes a U-Turn " - Dr. Zakir Naik

Please let me know if i have understood any of you.