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Re: A question to mclinkin94
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2014, 12:29:41 AM »
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The reason why I support translation 2 is because it seems to better fit the context
For the thousandth time : Ahsana means NOTHING except making something in a good way . So all the points you base on "You can interpret the verse in two ways" are meaningless . You CAN'T interpret the sign in two ways . The word for improving and perfecting something is "Hassana" and it's way different from "Ahsana" . This is the essential matter in the case and you ignore it like it's nothing .

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Re: A question to mclinkin94
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2014, 12:37:59 AM »
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The reason why I support translation 2 is because it seems to better fit the context
For the thousandth time : Ahsana means NOTHING except making something in a good way . So all the points you base on "You can interpret the verse in two ways" are meaningless . You CAN'T interpret the sign in two ways . The word for improving and perfecting something is "Hassana" and it's way different from "Ahsana" . This is the essential matter in the case and you ignore it like it's nothing .


And for the Thousandth time, Quran 32:7 could be interpreted that Allah creates or that Allah makes his creation that he already created good. I support the latter. No, you can't interpret a sign in two ways, that is why I show you which way makes the most sense.

And for the Thousandth time, the difference of translation of "perfected" and "good" is not there. Both meanings work and they both mean the same thing.

Secondly, explain why sahih international used the word "perfected". (this is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with my point, whether the translation is good or perfected, my point remains--you never seem to get that). If you make something you already made good, you have improved it. I made a cake. And then I made the cake good. I just made the cake better than its original form. Sahih international understood that and translated the word as "perfected". I have no issue with this either.

Read the rest of Quran 32:7-9. Allah tells us that a common trend in his creation is that he creates and then he creates the creation good. Then he tells us that be began the creation of the human being. And then when it comes to verse 9, the creation of the human being is now good. Allah makes everything that he creates, good/perfect.


I'll continue tomorrow. I need to get some things done.
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Re: A question to mclinkin94
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2014, 06:48:49 AM »
"Sigh"
I'll stop here . Because you apparently dodge whatever doesn't support your doctrine of Darwin and the likes of him .

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Re: A question to mclinkin94
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Re: A question to mclinkin94
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2014, 12:19:59 PM »
The Qur'aan itself refers to revelation being received from Allah that is not found in the Qur'aan and here are few examples:

Allah says in the Qur'aan, "And We made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad)." [Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 143]

This verse shows that Allah had assigned the previous Qiblah of the Muslims but there is no verse in the Qur'aan designating Jerusalem as the previous Qibla. This means that there has to be an alternative form of 'Wahy' (revelation) apart from the Qur'aan through which Allah revealed the previous command of facing towards Jerusalem. This Command is in the Sunnah of the Prophet PBUH.

"And (remember) when the Prophet PBUH disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. Aa'isha), and Allah made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said, 'Who told you this?' He said, 'The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allah) has told me." [Soorah at-Tahrim (66): 3]

The verse says, "Allah made it known to him," and yet, there is no verse in the Qur'aan that makes mentions this.

To obey the Prophet is to obey Allah:

He who obeys the Messenger [Muhammad] has indeed obeyed Allah.. (Qur'an 4: 80)

Say [Muhammad to mankind]: 'If you [really] love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins.' ...(Qur'an 3: 31)


See whoever follows the Prophets Sunnah follows Allah.

Do not hold the Messenger's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other; Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves; therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement. (24:63)

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Re: A question to mclinkin94
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2014, 01:05:58 PM »
If the Companions were with the Prophet and they wanted to leave to go somewhere, it was considered to be one of the necessary aspects of emaan that they should first seek his
permiission:

The true believers are only those, who believe in Allah and His Messenger, and when they are with him on some common matter, they do not leave until they have asked his permission. Verily! Those who ask your permission, those are they who [really] believe in Allah and His Messenger. So if they ask your permission for some affairs of theirs, give permission to whom you will of them, and ask Allah for their forgiveness. Truly, Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an 24: 62)

If Allah made it a necessary element of faith for the Companions to seek permission to go somewhere when they were with the Prophet, then it is even more obvious that it is a
necessary element of faith for them not to adopt a view in Religion without fIrst seeking his permission.


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Re: A question to mclinkin94
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2014, 06:13:14 PM »
"Sigh"
I'll stop here . Because you apparently dodge whatever doesn't support your doctrine of Darwin and the likes of him .

Do you guys want me to close this thread?  Please brothers, I didn't mean for this blog to be compulsive and time devouring.  I don't mind disagreements and debates, but I do mind for brothers and sisters here to waste their times and hurt their personal lives.  I know that many of you are also students.  I don't want this blog to be a distraction.

I tell you what.  I am going to close this.  And please no more evolution debates!  I will debate brother Mclinkin94 on evolution and also on the Hadiths some other time.  I owe him these two debates.  Brother Mclinkin94, there are stunning End of Times Prophecies and and also Miracles in the Hadiths that are mind-blowing.  I did make a post about this in another post yesterday.  I will update it with ample Hadiths Insha'Allah.  We can't just reject all Hadiths, akhi.  I will prove it to you Insha'Allah scientifically and logically.

Ok, this thread is closed.  I am very sorry beloveds :(.  I hope you understand.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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