How to Convince hadith Rejecters?

[MuslimBoy]

As-Salam Aalekum Everone
Did there is anyway to convince Quranists/Hadith Rejectors.
I am it because i have a lot friends who are Quranists.
And they believe that we have only 4/5 rakah in every Namaz. moreover they say that kissing of Black stone is indeed a corruption of hadeeth. did they are right?

[gandalf the white]

is this some kind of sect cuz before going on the internet i never heard of it, yes some hadiths have things that are ehh you know and these hadiths are called unauthintic ( did i spell it right ) but other hadith have things that blew my mind and these hadiths are called authintic. and how to convince them is easy, tell them : how do you pray ?

[MuslimBoy]

is this some kind of sect cuz before going on the internet i never heard of it, yes some hadiths have things that are ehh you know and these hadiths are called unauthintic ( did i spell it right ) but other hadith have things that blew my mind and these hadiths are called authintic. and how to convince them is easy, tell them : how do you pray ?

Thanks for replying brother, first of all the spelling is authentic and Yes, Quranists/Ahl-E-Quran/Hadith Rejector is a sect just like akhi mclinkin94 they dont believe in hadiths. They even say ALL Namaz only contain 4 or sometimes 5 Rakahs. and i had tried your suggested method but due to thier EGO it wont work.

[gandalf the white]

sigh,someone should put a stop to this before our islam turns into another christianity with 500 sects, hmm did they read the hadiths with greek glasses and never thought about what it could really mean ? or they were created by a zionist infiltrator, can you explain more about them cuz we dont have these kind of people where i come form, and how can they follow the prophet (peace be upon him) and if they dont, then they are not muslims,this is just another shiite like sect with a whole new religion. may they see their wrong doing in life or in death.

[gandalf the white]

hmm, how can a hadith rejecter explain to a christian therules of war and that islam is peaceful ?

[Sama]

This may help
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

[MuslimBoy]

This may help
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

Thnx akhi.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have created a link for this thread in its appropriate section to make it easy for the reader to find it: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1565.0.html.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Yaz]

I have been caled a Quranist person, but i follow the hadiths that are in line with the Quran, and believe me there are not many that do. I follow the Quran as all our pillars and practices are mentioned in the Quran.
 If you put hadiths next to the Quran about anyone subject, you will find much differences. As the scholars do not check hadiths out as to their content, rather they just check the line of authentication, line of transmission. All well and good, but it truly is the content of the hadiths that surely must be in line with the Quran to be classed as Sahih, or authentic.
Also you will find the history behind the hadiths one of a stunning revelation if you were to research. Also if you looked at the hadiths themselves, rather than just quoting, or just believing what you are told, you would be in for another suprise.
Please do some checking out for yourself....choose a subject, lets say Prayer, salat, go look to haiths on the salat, then look to Quran, you will find much difference. #Also there is the actual understanding and translation of the Quran is at odds with most scholars. .....salat is and has been only ever 2 rakats for every prayer, and 1 rakat for the fear, battle prayer.........

And we have bestowed upon thee the Seven of the Pairs and of the Grand Quran 15;87

This verse above, the seven pairs means the surah Al Fatiha, having 7 lines, repeated twice in each prayer, surmounting to 2 rakats per prayer......if you want to learn the full prayer as ordained by the Quran, then check it out here.......And we have .http://sunnahhealthandfitness.blogspot.com/p/salat-virtues-of.html.....

Also you will find the ablution act in the Quran is different to the hadith, which includes the Quranic way with added innovations to it.

The duty of the messenger is only to convey (the message). Allah knoweth what ye proclaim and what ye hide. 5:99

NO DISTINCTION
Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between;  Such are disbelievers in truth; and for disbelievers We prepare a shameful doom.  But those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make no distinction between any of them, unto them Allah will give their wages; and Allah was ever Forgiving, Merciful. ...... 150- 152

Meaning, do not magnify Muhammad, peace and blessing be upon him and his family, above any other prophet or put him alongside Allah.

HADITH
"These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6
(also 7:185, 77:50 and 31:6).

TRUTH
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbour any doubt. The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." 6:114-115

WARNER
Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but  a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe. S. 7:188

SEAL
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. S. 33:40

FABRICATIONS
"This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions." 6:113

QURAN
 Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
"Do not write anything from me except Quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Moslim, Zuhd, Book 42, Number 7147]

Worsd of warning, the Jews have been very crafty and have made muslims become as the Jews and Chrsistians themselves by worshiping partners besides Allah, by the very fact that Muhammads name, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, is mention in prayer with Allahs, as the shahada, as you think it to be.!!!....but this is subtle trickery to worship another in prayer by the mere mentioning and praising of another name along side Allahs......taking partners with Allah.......Please people wake up and think about it. Say your shahadah any other time, but not in prayer when this is soley for Allah only.

(This lamp is found) in houses which Allah hath allowed to be exalted and that His name shall be remembered therein. Therein do offer praise to Him at morn and evening. 24;36

[shabeer_hassan]

[Yaz]

The summary of hadiths by shabeer_hassan is all well and good. But in the Quran where there are many verses pertaining to the protection and guarding of the Quran....only apply to the Quran.....NOT TO HADITHS.......you are sadly mistaken.
The hadiths are mans own words and and are susceptible to corruption, as mentioned in the Quran.
Do you not read the Quran......it states to follow the Quran rather than the hadiths of other sources....which do you then believe ...can you not see with your eyes or heart as to the truth.

The hadiths are corrupted beyond belief, and so much so they have corrupted the faith of Islam,,,way way off the the true practices.......

Has anyone checked the haiths for the salat yet.....You will not find the prayer formular nor the amount of rakats...other than 2 rakats.....
Has anyone found a hadith that states zakat is payable at 2.5 %.....this is pure fabrication. zakat is 10% of your weekly wage....its that simple.

Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family never wanted his life studied and recorded because he knew it would be taken as a rule of law above that of the Quran.....he only would allow any hadith that was to do with the Quran to be writen down.......
All preceding scholars were told to burn the hadiths and struggled within themselves to do this,,,,,and some didnt......and have the hadiths that have been corrupted by the Jews to this very day passed down to us to follow and believe and be so utterly deceived and blinded by....that we all trun away from the Quran.

DO YOU READ THE QURAN ....DOES ANYONE ...?
If you did, you would realise the hadiths are fabricated and your practices of salat, ablution, fasting, zakat are all innovations and that you are taking partners with Allah.......

[submit]

the problem Yaz is that all Islamic nations practise Islam with explanations from hadiths
. The one that came up with ideas of hadith not to be used as supports to interpret Quran are from selective individuals and not Islamic nations.

These individuals might have find the content of hadith contradicting their way of life as they try to fit their lifestyle in West. Thus for them, they must reject hadith that cant be relate to verses in Quran or to not make things worse for them, they reject hadith entirely.

[Tarek Habbal]

Brothers and Sisters,

This is very dangerous... Are we witnessing the rise of yet another sect? that is the last thing we need now... Another infiltration.. as if we don't have enough hypocrites masquerading as real Muslims.

My wife and I we take religious lessons once every week, with a great Sheikh, here in Lebanon.

He is a walking Islamic Encyclopedia, may Allah increase his reward. We did touch on this subject once. I do understand people's skepticism... we live in dangerous times.. the worst in my opinion and i fear it is only going downhill for us Muslims.. Yet we cannot just dismiss EVERY single hadeeth..

Our Sheikh told us that he only relates to us Hadeeths that have a very strong reference.. Weak Hadeeths will not be considered.

So this is my take on it... I trust our Sheikh. Whatever he recites and whatever he deems trustworthy, so do I.

Keep in mind, that i have no doubt that SOOO many Hadeeths have been forged and manufactured throughout the ages...

I think we should approach this subject carefully..

Moreover brothers and sisters, this is my one of my most beloved Hadeeths (Hadeeth Qudsi), narrated by Sheikh Mohammad Shaarawy, may God have mercy on him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUBTeXpSGw

Can you brothers and sisters give me your take on it?

[The Comforter]

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that's what should all muslims think like, it's not black or white, Many hadiths are Forgeries, many hadiths are true, leave the first and take the latter, the Quranists are missing this very important point.

[shabeer_hassan]