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As'salamu Alaikum brother TheEyeofGod,

Welcome to the blog.  I ask Allah Almighty that He will continue to lead you to the Right Path and Truth and Light of Islam.  Ameen.  The following points thoroughly refute your points above, and prove that without Islam to validate it, the Bible isn't reliable at all.  The following points are from:

www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm#paul
www.answering-christianity.com/bible_sinless_men.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1498.msg5824/topicseen.html#msg5824
www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm#capsule


1-  The Disciples were in conflict with each others.  Examples:

-  Sacrificed food to idols: Is it allowed or not to be eaten?
-  The 12th diciples was chosen by a game of chance, not by the Holy Spirit.  And there were disputes over him.
-  Paul was called a false prophet.
-  Peter was called "clearly in the wrong".
-  Circumcision:  Was it mandatory or not?
-  Paul and Barnabas and Mark were one team against the other disciples.  The other side was lead by Peter and others.
-  Yet, when the disciples asked Jesus if the Holy Spirit, that he promised to send them after him, if It will speak in riddles and parables like he used to speak to them, and confuse them, Jesus assured them that the Holy Spirit:

      -  Will speak very clearly and straight to them.
      -  Will guide them all the way.
      -  They must fully rely on it.


-  Yet, we see all of these conflicts and disputes and confusions among them.  So where was the Holy Spirit from all of these conflicts??

-  And these are unsettled issues in the Bible till this day!  They are open debates that are unsettled in the Bible.

-  Paul wanted to be a ruling dictator.
   -  He wanted to kill those whom he disagreed with.
   -  He wanted to be the ruling authority that makes judgment about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.



2-  Furthermore, the disciples books and epistles are not agreed upon:

-  There are epistles and books in the names of John, Paul, Peter and others that are excluded from the Bible.
-  Jesus' Teachings books, such as the Gospel of Jesus and the Didache and other books are excluded from the Bible, because they refute trinity.
-  Jesus' family's accounts are excluded from the Bible.
What do Christians know about Jesus?  Jesus supposedly lived for 33 years on earth. 

   -  He lived the first 5 or so in Palestine, then fled to Egypt with his Mother and Joseph because king Herod wanted to kill him.  No historical account of this story by the way is found anywhere outside the Bible.
   -  Jesus returned to Palestine in his late 20s, perhaps even at the age of 30.
   -  Jesus lived the overwhelming majority of his earthly life in Egypt, and yet, not a single account about him in that land.  What was he doing there?  Did he work?  Was he a carpenter?

3-  Furthermore, Jesus the human fell into satan's temptation for 40 days and 40 nights, and was dying in his coveting of the worldly desires:

-  The Bible says that those who are tempted have "evil desires" in them.
-  The Bible says that Jesus fell spiritually so weak that GOD Almighty had to send down Angels "to attend him", because he was getting spiritually weaker and weaker.
-  Satan had Jesus climb on the top of the temple (a big fortress at that time), and look like he was about to commit suicide in front of all of the people in Jerusalem.
-  Jesus had so much worldly desires during his 40 days and 40 nights temptations that they most certainly were coveting of the world.
-  Yet, coveting is forbidden in the Bible's Old and New Testaments.
-  Jesus himself said that if you even sin in your mind, then you have already physically sinned:

   -  If you even think of a woman in your head lustfully, then you have already committed adultery with her.
   -  Yet, Jesus coveted the world and he did those exact mental sins from lusting, to greed to rule the world, and others.

-  Also, did Jesus the male who lived 33 years on earth ever masturbate?

   -  He was a human, who ate and peed (urinated) and pooped (took dumps).
   -  He was a human who felt hungry and weak and in need.

-  Also, when Jesus was a baby, was he dumb?  Meaning, was he unable to speak as all of our babies initially are?  Did he need to be taught the language by his Mother?

   -  He did work as a carpenter.  This means he had to learn the skill first from his step father, Joseph.

-  Also, when Jesus was a baby, did he have to learn how to walk?  Was he ever discplined as a child?

-  Did Jesus' mother ever believe that he was her creator??

   -  Did Jesus' immediate family from siblings and mom and step dad ever believe he was their Creator??
   -  Their writings are excluded from the Bible, because they all don't talk about trinity at all.  Their books invalidate it entirely.

4-  Jesus according to the Bible never got crucified:

-  Isaiah 53 speaks about him being condemned because of the sins of the Jews.
-  Isaiah 53 says he will be jailed (not killed) because of the sins and lies of the Jews.
-  Isaiah 53 say she will be sentenced to death, but his life will be prolonged (extended).  He won't die.
-  Palm 91 and 116 and 118 clearly speak about Christ will be lifted by the Angels and no harm will ever touch him from the crucifixion.
-  Psalm 91 was directly referenced in the New Testament by Jesus and satan during their conversation.
-  The New Testament speaks about the story of Jesus' alleged crucifixion and confirms that he was never crucified:

    -  He never died, and he even showed his original body to the disciples and the doubting Thomas.
    -  He was put in a tomb, not a grave underground, and laid there for a couple of days (less than 3 days) and received medical treatment by Mary Magdalene and other women.
    -  After he healed, he got up and left the tomb.
    -  He's always been alive in it.

5-  Prophet Muhammad was clearly and thoroughly prophesied in the Bible:

     -  The Old Testament references in Isaiah 41 and 42 and in many other books throughout the Old Testament about the Arabian Prophet who will come:

         -  From the lands of Kedar and Teman.  Those today are located in central Arabia.
         -  From the bloodline of Kedar.  Kedar was one of Ishmael's sons, in the book of Genesis.

      -  The Prophet will bring the Message to mankind.
      -  The Jews ("the House of Jacob") must not reject him, nor fear him.  This is a direct order for them by GOD Almighty in the Bible.
      -  He will smash the idols of Arabia.
      -  He will put Arabia to the sword.
      -  "The burden is upon Arabia."  This verse is interpreted in the Bible as a Divine Message or Task was put upon Arabia.  Burden in the Bible means a Divine Task from GOD Almighty, usually a monumental one.
      -  Prophet Muhammad's Prophetic Name, Ahmed, was found in ITS EXACT FORM IN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS in their Isaiah 42.  Meaning, the Dead Sea Scroll's Isaiah 42 book.  Ahmed or AHMAD was mentioned by the name there.  And in the Bible's Isaiah 42, we see GOD Almighty speaking about His Servant who will come from Arabia, and the land of Kedar.
      -  He will be given the "Book".  This is the Glorious Quran.
      -  He will initially be told to read It, and he won't be able to.  The Bible foretold it, and this is exactly documented on Prophet Muhammad's first reception of the Revelations in our Islamic Texts.


So to put it all together, your faith is false and man-made.  Islam is the Divine Truth.  Again, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm#paul
www.answering-christianity.com/bible_sinless_men.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1498.msg5824/topicseen.html#msg5824
www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm#capsule


And last and not least, I would like to invite you to visit the following link to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran, to see how Islam's True Miracle is Everlasting and forever and ever.  It wasn't just a mere limited Miracle such as parting the sea or healing the sick that no one today could prove it.  The Glorious Quran's Miracle is in It, and It is for all times and all places and all ages.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

Also, the following detailed article is the website's #1 article.  It has what you need to convince you that Islam is 100% the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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this is funny, did anyone ever ask a chritian about what happend to those who lived before isa came ?? did they all go to hell ? if so, then the christians worship a mad devil.

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this is funny, did anyone ever ask a chritian about what happend to those who lived before isa came ?? did they all go to hell ? if so, then the christians worship a mad devil.
Yeah!! And some christians even say that every prophet before Jesus are in hell(Including Abraham, David, Elias and others)!! What a ridiculous thing? the Prophets who had done a lot of service for God how can be they are in hell? According to this Even the so-Called chosen People (Jews) are also in hell. It Really it seems a pagan thinking.
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My Answer:- those who are of the spirit(Holy spirit) knows what of the spirit. You can never understand because you're not of the spirit. Mind you each and every books of the bible has its own writer/author .

- Look my friend , There are more than 5000 manuscripts which contain all or part of the New Testament. No two agree on all particulars. In other words no single manuscript contains the original, unaltered text in its entirety. 
I challenge any pastor in the world to come on a stage and pretend that this copy of the bible is the full word of God , I bet you he cannot ! .. I said you see , whenever you read the most popular version of the bible KJV or NIV , or RSV , you will be seeing a couple of footnotes [a] or and whenever you see them , it means that this version has removed blah blah from that manuscript ! .. So that is a change in the word of God , people are supposedly updating just like updating KJV to NKJV ! ...

As far as the authors , let me show you some books of the bible that have no author  :


Book

Author

Judges

Possibly Samuel

Ruth

Perhaps Samuel

1st Samuel

Unknown

2nd Samuel

Unknown

1st Kings

Unknown

2nd Kings

Unknown

1st Chronicles

Unknown

Esther

Unknown

Job

Unknown

Ecclesiastes

Doubtful

Jonath

Unknown

Malachi

Nothing known

 

The above information can be found in the appendix entitled "Books of the Bible" of the Revised Standard Version of the Bible.


Visit : http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/modappr.html


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this is funny, did anyone ever ask a chritian about what happend to those who lived before isa came ?? did they all go to hell ? if so, then the christians worship a mad devil.
Yeah!! And some christians even say that every prophet before Jesus are in hell(Including Abraham, David, Elias and others)!! What a ridiculous thing? the Prophets who had done a lot of service for God how can be they are in hell? According to this Even the so-Called chosen People (Jews) are also in hell. It Really it seems a pagan thinking.


What you don't know is that, three days that Jesus used in the grave, he was preaching to them, I mean the dead ones

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As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm, to see from the Bible commentaries how almost every single book and gospel of the Bible was:

1-  Written by mysterious people.
2-  Written in unknown places.
3-  Written in unknown dates.
4-  Written by an unknown number of people.
5-  Edited and altered in unknown times, and no one knows what parts were altered or edited.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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this is funny, did anyone ever ask a chritian about what happend to those who lived before isa came ?? did they all go to hell ? if so, then the christians worship a mad devil.
Yeah!! And some christians even say that every prophet before Jesus are in hell(Including Abraham, David, Elias and others)!! What a ridiculous thing? the Prophets who had done a lot of service for God how can be they are in hell? According to this Even the so-Called chosen People (Jews) are also in hell. It Really it seems a pagan thinking.


What you don't know is that, three days that Jesus used in the grave, he was preaching to them, I mean the dead ones
Brother Can you give me the refrence from "Bible" to support your claim?? and I Heard from many Christians that Jesus was suffering in Hell for sins of Adam and Mankind. so who is right? you? or they?
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According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.

Brother TheEyeofGod,

You don't even know your own scriptures.  GOD Almighty not only sent in the past lying spirits, but He also turned David's women into prostitutes because of David's sins.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah


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According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.
Brother TheEyeofGod,
You don't even know your own scriptures.  GOD Almighty not only sent in the past lying spirits, but He also turned David's women into prostitutes because of David's sins.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Hmmmmm good brother ( Osama Abdallah)
I don't even open your link.
    But Yes! God can use your enemies to punish you and your belongings for your sins, or your own belongings to punish you as well , note you mentioned there that "is because of David's sin" so God can never punish you unnecessary or without sin. We can also see that God do punish his people severely  in the Bible especially the Israelites  when they sin against Him, He's using this punishment to correct them so as for them not to fall into the same trap in another time, for instance  if you punish your child because he/she did a wrong thing, he can never do the same another time. When you committed  sins  , that means you've disobeyed God (you are no more in God's side) so if God now punish you because you've sinned, He did that to you, and for you to know that what I've done Is wrong, that I've departed from His way , Is now for you to go back to Him and he will accept you. This king David you mentioned , despite all his sins, although God do punish him but He still love him, because he knows how to seek God's face. So when God want to punish someone for his/her sin , he can use anybody or anything to  punish such person.
But thank God for today, even if we committed sin, and we realised that we've committed and seek His face instantly, He will surely forgive us. That is the Grace we have trough Jesus Christ (God's only begotten Son).
Remember again if God did all this, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). So you can never quarry God for doing that.
You're blessed!
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According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.
Brother TheEyeofGod,
You don't even know your own scriptures.  GOD Almighty not only sent in the past lying spirits, but He also turned David's women into prostitutes because of David's sins.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Hmmmmm good brother ( Osama Abdallah)
I don't even open your link.
    But Yes! God can use your enemies to punish you and your belongings for your sins, or your own belongings to punish you as well , note you mentioned there that "is because of David's sin" so God can never punish you unnecessary or without sin. We can also see that God do punish his people severely  in the Bible especially the Israelites  when they sin against Him, He's using this punishment to correct them so as for them not to fall into the same trap in another time, for instance  if you punish your child because he/she did a wrong thing, he can never do the same another time. When you committed  sins  , that means you've disobeyed God (you are no more in God's side) so if God now punish you because you've sinned, He did that to you, and for you to know that what I've done Is wrong, that I've departed from His way , Is now for you to go back to Him and he will accept you. This king David you mentioned , despite all his sins, although God do punish him but He still love him, because he knows how to seek God's face. So when God want to punish someone for his/her sin , he can use anybody or anything to  punish such person.
But thank God for today, even if we committed sin, and we realised that we've committed and seek His face instantly, He will surely forgive us. That is the Grace we have trough Jesus Christ (God's only begotten Son).
Remember again if God did all this, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). So you can never quarry God for doing that.
You're blessed!

What I am just going to say about this is, you do not even bother to open the link given. That is where the valid argument lies, the least you can do is to analyse what he has written in both article. It is best to be honest, and if you really feel that you are truthful and on the true side, should you not browse the article he has written and maybe, if you think that the allegation made is not true, you could have make a correction for it and reply them to brother Osama Abdullah. What constitute my point here is that if you progress with your point without taking your opponent's point into account that would be futile, I name it beating around the bush. You are not answering his question, nor correcting his stance, if you deliberate your stance for Christianity is candour and honest one.

That is all from me thank you. No, I won't say anything about the argument in your scripture, because I only have studied a little from them. But please, if you really consider yourself a valid proponent of Christendom, then please heed on Osama Abdullah's question and words. Do not yet skip over his point as you assert yours, or your argument on Christianity will be in vain.

 

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