my reply to " almost every christian is going to hell" posted by QuranSearchCom

[shabeer_hassan]

[shabeer_hassan]

[TheEyeofGod]

According to the bible references you mentioned 1king 22:23 and 2chro 18:21. God allowed the spirit to speak lie out of Ahab's prophets mouth not God's chosen prophet note that, to lead him(ahab) to destruction because of his sin.

Brother TheEyeofGod,
You don't even know your own scriptures.  GOD Almighty not only sent in the past lying spirits, but He also turned David's women into prostitutes because of David's sins.  Please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Hmmmmm good brother ( Osama Abdallah)
I don't even open your link.
    But Yes! God can use your enemies to punish you and your belongings for your sins, or your own belongings to punish you as well , note you mentioned there that "is because of David's sin" so God can never punish you unnecessary or without sin. We can also see that God do punish his people severely  in the Bible especially the Israelites  when they sin against Him, He's using this punishment to correct them so as for them not to fall into the same trap in another time, for instance  if you punish your child because he/she did a wrong thing, he can never do the same another time. When you committed  sins  , that means you've disobeyed God (you are no more in God's side) so if God now punish you because you've sinned, He did that to you, and for you to know that what I've done Is wrong, that I've departed from His way , Is now for you to go back to Him and he will accept you. This king David you mentioned , despite all his sins, although God do punish him but He still love him, because he knows how to seek God's face. So when God want to punish someone for his/her sin , he can use anybody or anything to  punish such person.
But thank God for today, even if we committed sin, and we realised that we've committed and seek His face instantly, He will surely forgive us. That is the Grace we have trough Jesus Christ (God's only begotten Son).
Remember again if God did all this, "Who are you, O man, to talk
back to God?" (Rom. 9:20, NIV). Who are you
and I to judge God's actions wrong? "All the
peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He
does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and
the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his
hand or say to him: What have you done?" (Dan.
4:35, NIV). So you can never quarry God for doing that.
You're blessed!

What I am just going to say about this is, you do not even bother to open the link given. That is where the valid argument lies, the least you can do is to analyse what he has written in both article. It is best to be honest, and if you really feel that you are truthful and on the true side, should you not browse the article he has written and maybe, if you think that the allegation made is not true, you could have make a correction for it and reply them to brother Osama Abdullah. What constitute my point here is that if you progress with your point without taking your opponent's point into account that would be futile, I name it beating around the bush. You are not answering his question, nor correcting his stance, if you deliberate your stance for Christianity is candour and honest one.

That is all from me thank you. No, I won't say anything about the argument in your scripture, because I only have studied a little from them. But please, if you really consider yourself a valid proponent of Christendom, then please heed on Osama Abdullah's question and words. Do not yet skip over his point as you assert yours, or your argument on Christianity will be in vain.

.                                                                                   Thanks my eminence brother, you've spoken well. But what I can compare the matter of the link to , is like you send your boy somewhere to give a speech, and immediately in your presence he started speaking rubbish, so there is no assurance that he won't shoot bullet at where you send him.that means to say, he has shown you the preamble of what he's going to render there.    You said well that "I suppose to make correction on his link if I'd read it" but how many times do I want to make correction? I said it in my last posts that this site is meant for argument, and if he could read my comment/post, am very sure that he would find corrections.                                                Anyway brother you make a point, thanks very much.

[submit]

Isaiah 53 tells about the final prophet of Israelite, the Messiah after death (due to end of prolonged period of life), he will bear sin/guilt for many (Israelites) and intercedes transgressing Jews; not bear sin of world or new covenant as interpreted by Roman Christian authors. As Messiah was sent for the Israelites.
Nowhere can you find anything about waking up after death and stay on earth for forty days before lifted to heaven in Isaiah 53:8. The reason the Messiah needed to be taken away from land of living is that if he continues to stay on earth, the law of life on earth will apply onto Messiah. From baby the Messiah grows until adulthood. If he stays on earth, he will become old age and die due to old age or die due to being killed by enemies.

As Messiah vanish from land of Israel lifted to heaven, 53:9 mentioned about the Messiah's grave among the wicked and transgressing Jews. But if the Messiah grave is known to wicked Jews, then whose body was inside the grave? (Quran mentioned about 'the person' being crucified)

God tested His servant by bruising the Messiah in 53:10 as the transgressing Jews will take away his life for sin/guilt. But God made it clear in later part of verse that the servant will prolong his days. God did not say "He shall prolong his revived days". Also notice that it says prolong which means there will be an end to the Messiah life. Thus the Messiah is not eternal living creature. And how will the life be prolong? Certainly the Messiah will be raised and lifted to heaven by God and be given prolong life in heaven until the need to return for his second coming as commanded by God.

At the end of the Messiah prolonged life. The Messiah will certainly die. And like all other prophets in the afterlife, depending on their covenant of different location and era, the prophets will intercede for their followers's to overcome the follower sins by mediating and seeking more reward from God for their follower; this was described what will happen to Messiah and his followers as described in Isaiah 53:12

[TheEyeofGod]

my brother.. I don't to bother myself on a null thing...because the content he gave has said  the totality of what are in the links ...one adage says"if the head is good..the whole body is good..and it is vice versa" . so I know what he's trying to say..thank you