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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2014, 03:16:05 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Ilir Ahmeti,

All of the stories of the Glorious Quran are 100% acceptable.  If Allah Almighty Willed for a Miracle to happen, and it is mentioned in the Holy Quran, then there is no argument about it.

The problem is in the hadith collections.  To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.  I don't understand what is the big deal to flush out the false narrations when the collectors of the hadiths themselves did that before.  Did not Imam Ahmed choose his collection from what he claimed 1,000,000 hadiths?  That's one million.  I believe the number is too ridiculously high, and this is a lie on his mouth, but it is nonetheless there.  Similarly, did not Bukhari say that he chose his hadiths from 600,000?  That's six hundred thousand.  So why can't we today clean out the absurd lies and only take what agrees with the Holy Quran?

I've already proven from the Holy Quran that the Prophet's Hadiths are supposed to "detail" the Holy Quran.  So the Quran 100% supports this position.  I don't understand what more hadiths do we need besides the Hadiths that explain:

1-  The details of the Islamic rituals, such as how to pray, fast, do pilgrimage, what amounts to pay for zakat, etc...

2-  The Moral Code of Islam, which I myself was able to extract 195 of those from the Holy Quran.

I don't understand what else do we need from the Hadiths?  Why so much collections?  Like they say here in America:  You've got the milk, why buy the cow??

Do you really need a cow in your apartment or house?  Seriously, why have a vast collection of hate and divisions-generating hadiths and history when we could have a much better and simplified Islam that is more focused on Tawheed and Morality.  Isn't that what Iman is based on??  How many Noble Verses that Command believing in Allah Almighty and doing good and being righteous exist in the Holy Quran?  Countless!

Is that too much to ask?  Do we really need to read about how the Prophet lived, and what food he ate, and how he even used to do the #2 in using the bathroom (seriously!!), and how he had sex with his wives, and what dramas took place between his wives, and who was the hypocrite and who wasn't, and what dramas and conflicts took place between the Muslims, and what civil wars happened between them, and which side should you be on?  Do we need all of this rubbish?  And do we need the false narrations that wipe the floor with the Prophet and Islam, and even insult Allah Almighty and the Glorious Quran?  These last ones are my biggest problem.  I gave ample examples at:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

Do we need these absurdities in our religion?  Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran, and injected all kinds of lies and poisons in them.

Take care,
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2014, 05:18:30 PM »
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2014, 10:39:38 AM »
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To me, what disagrees with the Holy Quran and with established science should be rejected.
The hadiths are not filled with things that either agree or contradict the Quran. There are a lot of things that are not mentioned in the Quran. Example: tattoos are haram in hadiths, but they are not mentioned in the Quran. Now, should we reject it or not? If you say that we should reject it, you are being unscientific because experts of hadith have accepted it as authentic for centuries, based on strong criterions. If you say that we should accept it, this means that not all hadiths talk about things mentioned in the Quran. This means that your standard of selecting hadiths is wrong.

Like the dajjal (anti-Christ) example that we discussed before, and it was demonstrated that the dajjal here falls under the evil dominance of Israel where it will rule the earth in "Mighty Heights" ???? ?????   of evil and power, the tattoos example could fall under the Islamic Morality that the Holy Quran detailed.  This is where we definitely need the Hadiths to help us detail and explain the Glorious Quran's Laws and Commands.  And this is exactly what Allah Almighty Said the Hadiths should do:

[016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm for the ample other Noble Verses and proofs.

So the Hadiths that deal with Morality could be categorized and be put under certain Quranic Laws.  But the hadiths and narrations that contradict the Holy Quran (ex: the Prophet got bewitched, when the Holy Quran ASSURES THE MUSLIMS that Muhammad was not bewitched), they belong to the garbage.

It's like me saying I assure everybody here on this board that Ilir Ahmeti is a person who doesn't commit Zina (fornication).  He is 100% clean from it.  I give my vote for him to be the Admin of this blog.  He WILL MAKE a great example for everybody.  In him, there is a great example for all of you to follow.  And then a week later Ilir Ahmeti is caught in bed with a prostitute!  Do you see how stupid and irrelevant and ridiculous my statement and ASSURANCE would be??

To really understand what I am talking about here, I invite you to visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm.  I know you might be too influenced by the cultists from either the sunni or shia side, but I am also one that studied the Hadiths a lot and read the entire Glorious Quran and analyzed It thoroughly.  I can comfortably tell you that your cultists are dumb and ignorant about how Islam should be taught.  Have they let the Glorious Quran lead Islam, and have everything follow the Quran instead of it being the other way around, and everything be filtered by the Quran, then much of the chaos that this pathetic Ummah is suffering would've been long gone.  After all, did not Allah Almighty Say about the Holy Quran that It is "Muhaymin" ?????  ("Has all Authority above all", or "the dominant Book with the Highest Authority")?  See Noble Verse 5:48.

And last and not least, there are not absolutes.  Nothing is either all false or all true.  Like the Bible, the Hadiths do contain Truth in them.  But unfortunately, they also contain falsehood in them.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links


And to the reader, to see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2014, 11:27:49 AM »
As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,


Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2014, 01:03:42 PM »
As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,


Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother MuslimBoy,

Thank you for the valuable advice, dear brother, and I apologize if I have offended anyone.  I was referring to those who think they own and control Islam, and are willing to call you a heretic and an apostate for any reason.  I was also speaking about the problems of our Ummah and how we can solve its chaotic problems. 

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2014, 01:12:38 PM »
As-Salamu Alaikum Every one,


Brother Osama i do not like your tone, this is not fair and you are very offensive. If you disagre with some one than you just have to say I disagree with you but you are insulting others calling them Cultists, Making ridiculous examples is not fair. And Many people says that The island is some where in Bermuda Triangle. but i too do not agree with this so did i should call them cultists? Absolutely, No. Thanks

Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother MuslimBoy,

Thank you for the valuable advice, dear brother, and I apologize if I have offended anyone.  I was referring to those who think they own and control Islam, and are willing to call you a heretic and an apostate for any reason.  I was also speaking about the problems of our Ummah and how we can solve its chaotic problems. 

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2014, 11:25:12 PM »
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So what now ? You'll ban me for inappropriate talk ? Check your own words again pal .

LOL.  No.  You're too cute to be banned.  But seriously, did you even refute anything here, akhi "Black Muslim"??  Who is ranting here?  Me or you?

Keep believing that Bukhari memorized 600,000 hadiths, and Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 hadiths.  Keep believing in all of the nonsense that was injected into the books that you call sihah (saheeh books).  Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they instead invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran to damage Islam.  A sick conspiracy against Islam that Muslims are finally waking up to.

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2014, 11:43:27 PM »
As to banning, I don't ban easily for it is a cowardly act to bully people, especially when you're holding the keys.  I only banned two shia pests here because:

1-  They were spreading lies on Islam.
2-  One of them was draining the other members' times with his lengthy and spammy posts, while the other requested it himself.

Otherwise, I don't ban.  You can tough talk me all you want.  I take all the heat.  LOL, owning this website from 1999 till now has made me immune pretty much all of the heat :).  I don't get made easily, if at all even.  So speak your mind freely, akhi "Black Muslim".  As long as we don't use actual foul words towards each others, then please speak your mind.  And when I get out of line and a brother or sister here calls me out on it, then I apologize if I am wrong.

And last and not least, I am commanded by Allah Almighty to be the most humble to Muslims:  "....   kind and humble to the believers ....  (The Noble Quran, 5:54)".  So it is a must upon all Muslims, especially the ones who hold positions of authority of any sort, to be the most humble.

Plus the Glorious Quran also commands us to walk in humbleness on earth, and to be humble with all people.  I've covered this at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm.

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2014, 07:06:03 AM »
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But seriously, did you even refute anything here, akhi "Black Muslim"??  Who is ranting here?  Me or you?
It is clearly you , both when it comes to manners and evidence .

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Keep believing that Bukhari memorized 600,000 hadiths, and Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 hadiths.
I don't know about this . But if it's true then it's true . It's not - AGAIN - physically or logically impossible . There are records of people memorizing a huge number of information . And if you take a look at this video - it has sources to what it says - then you'll see a guy able to memorize things the same as Google ! :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r331mHLncyE

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Keep believing in all of the nonsense that was injected into the books that you call sihah
Nonsense with what evidence or proof ? Nothing . THAT'S the point . Your replies are full of "I don't believe" and you don't back up a thing at all with proof of it . They're mere speculations and delusions . Not to mention that these weak delusions can be used to attack Quran itself . You keep saying they couldn't corrupt Quran . What reason do you have to believe that ? Because it says it is preserved ? Any person can say it is corrupted based on your line of thinking . Us on the other hand believe it is with proof and evidence the same way as Sunnah .

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Like I said, they couldn't penetrate the Glorious Quran, so they instead invented books and put them on the same level as the Quran to damage Islam.
A lie with horns as we would say . It seems we talk to dead men when we say that Sunnah is the second revelation after Quran which explains it and doesn't contradict it except in the heads of the foolish .

And why did you ignore everything I said ? I quoted every related thing you said and answered it one by one . Your core problem is that you appeal to emotional authority over everything . You refuse things JUST because you "don't believe" them . And I explained time and time again that the error is in your way of thinking . But rather , you take your words for a standard instead of the words of Allah and his prophet . Everything you object about is possible on the two scales I keep repeating but you "don't believe" it because it doesn't make sense to you .

And as I keep saying , I take an insult directed at me with an ear and take it out with the other . I don't bother with them . However , when it comes to Allah , his religion , his prophet , and his companions , then you'll find me ruthless for sure .

And if banning someone is a cowardly act , ignoring them is as cowardly . My post is still here unanswered .

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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2014, 12:28:45 PM »
Ok, since nothing of real substance was given here for rebuttal, and only emotional noise and emptiness, then I will end this debate from my end here.  But I want to make it clear to the reader that I am not a Sunnah and Hadiths rejecter.  These cultists are quick to make these empty assertions and noise, exactly like their empty cult that produces nothing but noise and filthy dirt.  Here is an example of their filth:

Have you guys settled the breast feeding of adult men issue yet?  Or are you still publically debating it?  Do not your sources say that Aisha used to have her nieces and sisters have grown men breast feed from their breasts so she would become their Aunt in Islam, and have private sessions with them?

To the reader, visit the following link to see where I stand on the collections and why:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

Until this Ummah flushes these cults, and the seculars along with them, down the toilet, not only it will never advance, but it will always suffer from their chaotic filth, exactly as we're seeing in Syria and Iraq and elsewhere.

Like I said:  They couldn't penetrate the Quran!  So they had to invent garbage and put it on the level of the Quran and damage Islam through it.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2014, 06:36:53 AM »
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I would advise brother BlackMuslim to be more respectful.
Again , insults against me pass as if they aren't there . But I would never remain silent while someone who's supposed to be a Muslim insults Allah and his prophet . Simple as that . If you want me to respect someone who does that , then the problem is with you . Not to mention how he went as low as to mention the disposals of the human body and such .

As for the acrobatic turn around Osama is making :

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He's basically given a silly opinion about the breast feeding of adults from some salafi "scholars".
Go ahead , call us pure the same way the people of Lut peace upon him hated him and his family for that .

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They said that the breasts feeding doesn't have to be by physical contact between the man's mouth and the breast's nipple.
And so does the Arabic language if you actually know it . See point 3 here :
http://www.almaany.com/home.php?language=arabic&lang_name=%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A&word=%D8%B1%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%B9

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But from the debates I've seen between your "scholars", the woman who isn't even wet (she has dry breasts, because she didn't give birth) can still breast feed.  Putting your mouth in the breast and sucking makes her your foster mother!
This , is one of the most ridiculous ways I've seen in avoiding questions and distracting the topic . It has NOTHING to do with the case we're talking about in any way . You're basically saying "Oh look ! These people made a mistake in a completely non related topic ! Thus you're wrong !" . And let us suppose that you are actually telling the truth , they'd be talking about infants who become related by breastfeeding even though there isn't any actual milk . What does THAT have to do with anything ? And if you can get rid of a small portion of this arrogance toward asking those who know , have a look here to understand the conditions for breastfeeding to make a person "Mahram" to the other :
http://www.fjr-aleman.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2022
Yet again , your reasons for denying anything is your ignorance of it and your personal preference . You just spam the "Conspiracy" like those loons and you can't back your empty claims with anything of scientific value .

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But who cares about the Quran.  It is secondary.  Right "Black Muslims"?
I said I can take insults at me , but lying about me and putting words in my mouth about Islam is cheap and low and passing the line . Don't you agree , "Dead Man" ?

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So again, until Muslims (Bleep) we will never advance.
This , is an extremely STUPID line . Probably one of the most stupid in this topic . You go on about how "I studied the whooooooole Quran and Hadith and no one knows better than me" but you fail horribly at showing any of that . What advancement ? The Islamic nation is the only one which knew glory when it held to its teachings . When they worked with these narrations you despise so much that you might die , they advanced and ruled the world with the rule of Allah . That's what Abu Bakr , Umar , Uthman , Ali , may Allah be pleased of them did . Your battle is against them . That's a losing battle .

I honestly got very disappointed in you . Lying , ignoring , ranting without the slightest shred of evidence , denying what is necessarily known to every Muslim , and lack of manner when talking about Islam itself . And yet again , nothing you say holds an actual value . My answers are in a valley , and yours are on another planet .
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Re: Is Jinn=Bacteria? What is your opinion?
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 10:19:48 PM »
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I honestly got very disappointed in you . Lying , ignoring , ranting without the slightest shred of evidence , denying what is necessarily known to every Muslim , and lack of manner when talking about Islam itself . And yet again , nothing you say holds an actual value . My answers are in a valley , and yours are on another planet .

While I strongly disagree with you, but I still love you as my brother in Islam, akhi "Black Muslim".

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

 

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