Someone Should refute this.

[MuslimBoy]

As-Salamu Alaikum,

I think someone should refute the following link :

http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm

Thanks

[mclinkin94]

I don't need to refute this.

It cites hadiths and not actual Quranic verses. Easy-->Hadiths are lies and fabrications. Problem solved.

/thread.

(by the way there is a TON of evidence showing that hadiths are lies and fabrications)

Edit: If you notice, this article uses Ibn HIsham's book quite often. Ibn Hisham did a biography of the prophet Muhammad's life long after the prophet died. What sources do you think he used to write that biography---->Hadiths/sayings/chinese whispers/rumors etc. etc.

[QuranSearchCom]

I don't need to refute this.

It cites hadiths and not actual Quranic verses. Easy-->Hadiths are lies and fabrications. Problem solved.

Brother, using this EXTREME standard, you'll have to reject all history books as well.  You can't use this standard and expect to be taken seriously.  The Hadiths have A LOT OF TRUTH IN THEM.  We'll just have to use the Holy Quran to filter out the man-made garbage from them.  That's all.  I've detailed what Allah Almighty Said in the Holy Quran regarding all of this at:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm


Furthermore, if we reject all Hadiths, then we'll end up in very very bitter and ugly games of confusion and guess work.  This is what Allah Almighty Himself Said:

[003:007]  He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is a llegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

[016:089]  And remember the day when WE will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and WE will bring thee as a witness against all of them. And WE have sent down to thee the Book to explain everything and a guidance and a mercy and glad tidings to those who submit to ALLAH.

[075:019]  It is (also) Our responsibility to explain to you its meaning.

Quran-onlys are a deviant cult!

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[mclinkin94]

[MuslimBoy]

Well, My main purpose of this post was to refute the claim "Muhammad's Grandfather dug the Zam Zam Well"

[Sama]

Well, My main purpose of this post was to refute the claim "Muhammad's Grandfather dug the Zam Zam Well"

why to refute it ?

[MuslimBoy]

Well, My main purpose of this post was to refute the claim "Muhammad's Grandfather dug the Zam Zam Well"

why to refute it ?

Did not the Zam-Zam well was from the time of Hajar and Prophet Ismail?

[Sama]

Did not the Zam-Zam well was from the time of Hajar and Prophet Ismail?

Yes
"The Well of Zamzam at that time was neglected since it had been buried and its landmarks were hidden completely. It continued to be so until `Abd Al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim, the grandfather of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, rediscovered it. "
http://www.onislam.net/content/english/hajj/landmarks/08.shtml

[MuslimBoy]

Yes
"The Well of Zamzam at that time was neglected since it had been buried and its landmarks were hidden completely. It continued to be so until `Abd Al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim, the grandfather of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, rediscovered it. "
http://www.onislam.net/content/english/hajj/landmarks/08.shtml

Thanks for that Akhi.