Quran 2:62 makes it clear that those who believe in Islam, those who believe in Christianity and those who are Jewish and ANYONE who believes in God and the last day and leads a righteous life will not grieve! The Quran then makes exceptions to that rule throughout (like when it speaks of those who follow the trinity).
Correction : The Quranic rule and stand point is the following verse:
Holy Quran 3:85 Anyone who desires something other than Islam as a religion will never have it accepted from him, while in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.
the exception : Are those who never heard of Islam after the prophet's mission... eg; the red indians etc....
nowadays few are those who never heard of Islam and many though heard of it,they either had superficial insufficient message or disorted one...
for all those I hope they are forgiven and given justice.....the whole rest without any reasonable doubt destined to hell,according to the Quran....
So who is Quran 2:62 speaking of?
-The previous Christians and Jews (before Islam)
-The ignorant Christians and Jews who have not heard Allah's verses in the Quran
I even disagree partly with that...... The christians before Islam can't be easily included into the noble verse ... they believed is Jesus as God,and they believed in the last day as bowing in their knees to Jesus the God creator...
The Christians and Jews who heard the Quran and deny it are disbelievers!
If they heard it and believed? they will convert to Islam,withoout doubt.... and God fulfills his promise for them in verse 2:62 .... they are now and only now believe in God as it must be and believe in the day of judgment as it must be and do righteousness as it must be .
Quran 2:62 by the way, makes it clear that you must not only believe in God and the last day--
you must also lead a righteous life. The Jews and Christians who hear Allah's verses in the Quran and deny them are not living a righteous life.
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the fact is that all those Jews and christians who ever hear Allah's verses in the Quran would deny them (unless some of them convert)...,those are actually the majority of jews and christians,and according to you ,by doing so, they are not living a righteous life. in other words most jews and christians can't be included in the verse 2:62 ... and are destined to hell ...
again the rule crystal clear
Holy Quran 3:85 Anyone who desires something other than Islam as a religion will never have it accepted from him, while in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.
again the only exception :ignorance of the message,or a distorted message.
If there are clear texts from Quran or Sunnah saying he will return , there is no meanining in anyone - no matter who he or she is - rejecting it .
If there are clear texts from Quran or Sunnah saying he will return,then why some Sunni orthodox salafi scholars eg; the Titan Salafi scholar Muhammad Rashid Rida rejected,or doubted it?
After I balanced the arguments for and against the notion of the second coming ,studying throughly the origin of the creed itself in the jewish and christians sources ,checking it in the islamic sources ,I became a second coming skeptic ....
the matter needs more than a post (actually needs a whole thread)... but can be summarized:
1- there is no clear proof of a second coming of jesus or anyone else in the Quran.
2- the most authentic proof text of the notion (in Albukhari) , is narrated by "Abu Hurrairah" , and for some reasons his narratives regarding the beliefs are to be highly doubted "the problem of Kaab Alahbar -Abu Hurrairah link).....
3- The origin of the creed itself from the christian sources shows how it is faked creed, to reason how Jesus couldn't fulfill the messianic prophecies....
several other reasons to be added but that needs a full thread dedicated....
by the way I'm neither Quranist, nor Qadiany ...I'm orthodox Sunni ..... so I don't have any agenda to deny such notion....
peace
