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Offline Hassan Abdulghani

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Question -- Answer needed
« on: October 16, 2014, 03:32:55 PM »
Assalamu Alaikum . The question is for everyone . Should the Islamic Shariah be spread by the sword to everyone including Non-Muslims ? Should we conquer and conquer when we have big area and capabilities ? Some's answer is affirmative some others are not, So should we do it as others substantiate this claim according to their interpretations of Surah 9:29 ??
And they substantiate their claims with the Islamic Conquests that took place previously .

I hope that everyone replies with evidences

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 08:31:46 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Hassan,

Why conquer the world with military and violence when you could reach people and convert them to Islam via the media?  After all, isn't the soul purpose of spreading Islam to all of mankind is to actually reach them and give them the Divine Truth of Islam?

Today's caliber is different.  Even if a group invades a town or a city, it will badly reflect on their cause, because the world today is a small village.  What happens thousands of miles away could be watched live on television today, and uploaded on Youtube and the rest of the internet.  Our Jihad today should be through writing comprehensive websites and creating media channels and reach people.  Late Sheikh Ahmed Deedat scolded the Muslims for not even having the Holy Quran translated into the world's languages.  The Bible is, but the Quran till this day isn't.  Let alone translating materials and books that are very valuable in spreading Islam.

The bottom line is this:  Muslims take the back seat when it comes to caring about spreading Islam.  The oil rich wahabies have really damaged the Sunni Islam BIG TIME.  Their ridiculous backward thinking and corrupt ways of lives and hypocrisies have cost Islam missing out on great gold mines of nations.  I don't refer to money here.  I am referring to great opportunities of spreading Islam to people throughout the world.  Look at how the Christians are operating.  Their missionaries are all over the world!  And of course, forget the Shias and their blasphemies and stupidities.  Their false version of "Islam" is a version of monkies.  This statement is fully materialized when you see them celebrate their "holy" holidays:

1-  Beating themselves with swords and knives and rocks on the heads, and even beating their children.
2-  Worshiping and deifying creations from dust.
3-  Ample corrupt laws that have no basis in the Glorious Quran and Sunnah.
4-  And on and on and on...

Those animals are a whole mental case of their own.

You don't need to fight anyone today.  All we need is to put our resources together to actively spread Islam to all of mankind.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Question -- Answer needed
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 01:10:23 PM »
regarding (Surah 9:29). If we read the verse before that Surah 9:28. We will understand that the command to war is to cleanse the House of God in the East from falsehood.

As Mekkah stronghold grew, there will be skirmishes attacking the place and of course Muslims have to participate in war to protect it.
War does not end in Mekkah but it shall end in the House of God in the West. And thats just about it. Prophecy mentioned about conquest of Al-quds and did not say that they shall do war to India, do war to China or whole world, liberate the world from idol worshiping by brute and sword.

Basically our Holy war revolves around defending these two Houses of God from being infiltrated by falsehood. Even the prophecies of war with Constantinople becoming Islam and descend of Jesus in Syria has got to do with defending the House of God in the West. As Romans keep on doing crusades onto Al-Quds, and in the latter situation Dajjal wish to infiltrate the House of God and bring falsehood into it. So Muslims need to protect it with their life and fight the enemies.

Apart from that, message of Islam should be conveyed to the world with wisdom + beautiful preaching. Sometimes as simple as just writing invitation letters to Islam.

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 12:28:27 PM »
Walaikum Al Salam , Dear brother Osama .

Thanks for replying , to you and to "Submit " . I understand your points, but I wasn't alluding into what Shias or some others believe, I just wanted to make everything quite clear . Now some others let's say, are talking about the Conquests that time as a proof to the claim that Shariah is to be spread through the sword . So how do you reply to such claims ? Why did the Prophet conquer ? that is the point , and the prophet promised of the conquest of Qustantiniyya in Turkey( Not sure about the English correct spelling ) . So how will they be "opened " or "conquered " ( Fath ) ? And HOW will the promised Caliphate return if our enemies are still killing Muslims every where ? ?

Note : What I said has nothing to do with the ideas of political groups like Al Qaeda or etc . .

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2014, 04:39:18 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Hassan,

Like I mentioned above, akhi, the caliber of today is different.  We can reach all of mankind (literally!) without firing a single bullet.  We can do far greater Jihad today than literalist might think.  Literalists are always a problem in any religion, because they don't think past their rear ends.  They rarely see the Wisdom behind any Law.  They're just mere robots. 

The Wisdom of Jihad 1,400 years ago was to reach people.  It is an obligation upon every Muslim to spread Islam.  That is a must.  But how you go about it makes all of the difference.  Did not Prophet Muhammad say: ???? ??? ??? ??? (Spread Islam after me even with one Noble Verse)?  And did not Allah Almighty also Say in the Holy Quran:

"Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with It (the Quran)(The Noble Quran, 25:52)"

Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/peaceful_jihad.htm

Like I said, building comprehensive websites and channels, and reaching people through the media and in person is far better than declaring wars on them.  The world today is a small village when it comes to spreading information.  Any violence will reflect negatively against the Cause. 

Look at the missionaries of today.  Christianity has spread to many nations through missionary work.  Now I grant that there are some countries (ex: China) that criminalize the spreading of any religion.  But throughout the overwhelming majority of the world, you could just send your missionaries and spread Islam openly and freely.

There is so much Islam has to offer to humanity.  And there are deep roots of Islam throughout the religious texts of several of the big religions out there.  People are just ignorant about all of this.  The average Jews and Christians, for example, are almost entirely ignorant about Islam's roots in their Bible, and the how the Bible thoroughly speaks about Islam and the coming of Islam.  Even Jesus Christ will return as an Arab, not an Israelite, according to the Bible itself.  You can read about all of this at:

www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com
(and see the main capsule table of the main page)

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2014, 09:26:12 AM »
Now some others let's say, are talking about the Conquests that time as a proof to the claim that Shariah is to be spread through the sword . So how do you reply to such claims ? Why did the Prophet conquer ?

first the basis of spilling blood. we know even before the creation of humans, sayings of angels mentioned about killing and bloodshed wars among humans. This is nature of human when conflict of interest arose between them, so they end up with killings and wars.

conflict of interest that may led to bloodshed even among muslims can be due to choosing political figures governing state, dispute of sovereignty of lands.

reason to war is to counter the hostility made by enemies. if enemies choose peace, then there should not be any reason to war.

that is the point , and the prophet promised of the conquest of Qustantiniyya in Turkey( Not sure about the English correct spelling ) . So how will they be "opened " or "conquered " ( Fath ) ? And HOW will the promised Caliphate return if our enemies are still killing Muslims every where ? ?

if muslims are being killed, thus if they do not have any means to defend and retaliate. they should leave the transgressors until they possess the means to reclaim back what was theirs. But if the transgressors are among muslims, thus mightier third party should jump in to initiate peace between them.

about prophecies of conquest, it is certainly due to enemies engaging in wars and hostile towards those who spread the religion of God. and if they seize to be hostile, so does Muslim need to stop to be hostile and seek peace.

sharia being implemented by swords,
prophet s.a.w sent out his companions to preach about one God to many regions without troops. Only once Islam grew in those regions, and if those that dislike the growth of Muslimeens began to be murdering Muslims and thus retaliation is needed by means of war too.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2014, 12:28:59 PM »
I know all what you mentioned , I am not talking about force conversion or anything you appealed to , Thanks for the references anyway .

But the case stands here , some Muslims post  :

9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

And they substantiate the claim of Shariah is to be shared through sword with some narrations existing in Tafsir books like of Al Qurtubi . And they conclude the following :

"" When you have a place and ability and power , you have to expand , calling the ones beside your state , Accept Islam , Pay the Jizyah , Or be ruined in our attack , with no compulsion to the people to accept religion but to merely share Shariah and rule the earth by what Allah revealed ""

And the above is indeed considered as an offensive method to share Shariah , So do you agree with them or their sources ? and how do you reply ? with evidences please .. Thanks .

Note : I am not attempting to interrogate anyone , I am just trying to collect opinions . Osama, I want also your opinion and with evidences  . Salam .

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 09:52:48 AM »
I see , thanks all of you for the beneficial answers . May Allah make your help heavy in the scale ...

 

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