One or United

[Sh Truthseaker]

Dear Brothers,
  When I said to my christian friend about the verse "Hear O Israel,the Lord your God is one" , he said that when Dr Zakir Naik told that, a christian pastor told : the hebrew word used here is 'echad' , which means 'united' ,and not 'one' .Is it right?Isn't there any verse that says 'one' and not 'united'?

  I hope you willhelp me.

-A Muslim Student

[submit]

[Tahmeed]

Assalamu alaikum dear brothers,

I have a completely aramaic old testament and an english transliteration of the hebrew tanakh on my computer. Both says the word is 'ehad' not 'echad', both in genesis 2:23-24 and deuteronomy 6:5 (Listen O Israel...). And you can try any aramaic lexicon and see that 'EHD' (Alef, Het, Dalet) means 'One'.

Transliteration of gen 2:24>

a'l-ken ya'azab-iysh et-abiyv veEt-immo vedabaq beisto vehayu lebasar ehad

Transliteration of deu 6:5>

shema' yisrae YHWH/adonay eloheynu YHWH/adonay ehad

(My transliteration says ADONAY and the complete aramaic says YHWH)

But both agrees that the word is EHD, not 'echad'. I used google translator to find the hebrew for 'united', here is the result- https://translate.google.com/m/translate?hl=en#en/iw/united . There is no word as 'echad'. The introduction of the aramaic OT says that it's text is original so I think it is reliable. I didn't download it myself but took it from Abu Abdullah here, my classmate and closest friend. The book though gives a link from where it can be downloaded.

http://www.moses.uklinux.net/pdf/bible/

And the transliteration I downloaded from here, a christian site:

http://www.whoisthemessiah.org/tanakh/download.htm

Christians will do anything to prove their false doctrine of trinity but their bible itself cancels such claim.

Jesus prayed to the Father: ...And this is eternal life, that they may believe in You, the Only True God, and in Jesus Christ whom You have sent. (John 17:3)

But still, someone should further researh on the original text and see.

And bro Truthseeker, what did Zakir Naik answer?

Peace...
Tahmeed
A Muslim student as well...

[submit]

they are the same, aleph chet/het dalet
European/Ashkenzi Jews cant pronounce het ? but pronounce it as chet ? although they know its het. youtube.com/watch?v=WTGH6XL9T6E

[Tahmeed]

Thanks brother submit,

If u download the transliteration from the site whoisthemessiah, u will see in the beginning of the , 'USING THE PRONUNCIATION SYSTEM BY MOST SCHOLARLY PUBLICATIONS'. And the book says it's pronunciated as 'Ehad'. But does 'echat' really mean 'united'? Please give me a link for a good aramaic dictionary.
JajakAllahu khair
Tahmeed

[Sh Truthseaker]

ThanQ very much,Brother Tahmeed.

[Sh Truthseaker]

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 Brothers,
   I want clarification about the word used in these verses:

 1.  Mark 12:29    "Here, O Israel:  The Lord our God is one Lord."

 2.   1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one   Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
   
3.      John 1:18  "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has made HIM known."

4.      Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!"

5.      Romans 3:30  "since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith."

6.    1 Corinthians 8:4 "So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that "An idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one." "

7.   Ephesians 4:6  "one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

8.  Zechariah 14:9 "The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name."

 Really 'one' or 'united'?Please help

[Tahmeed]

[Sh Truthseaker]

And bro, you still didn't say what Zakir Naik answered!!

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Oh no!Sorry!
Sorry for the late reply,I always forget to ask him.
When I asked him now,he told ,that pastor said it not in his presence.

[Sh Truthseaker]

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