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Offline Isa27James

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Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« on: May 20, 2015, 03:03:03 PM »

Offline Khan

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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 03:42:48 PM »
Salam Wa Rahmatullah,

The whole premise of this argument is based on the assumption that the Prophet Muhammad SAW was inspired by the devil, which on its own seems rather silly because if he was inspired by the devil then why would every chapter of the book given by the devil start start with ????? ????????? ???? ???????????? ?????????? ?

Furthermore The Quran tells us to enjoin good and forbid evil, it also says that satan is a clear enemy of mankind. Why on earth would satan say that about himself if he was inspiring Prophet Muhammad SAW?

The Quran & bible prohibit falling into sins but unlike the Quran, the bible does not provide solutions to the problems created by satan.

For example both Quran and Bible condemn adultery and fornication but it is the Quran which genuinley provides solutions.

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do [An-Nur:30]


Why would satan curse himself and put these measures to pevent people from sinning and encourage charity, feeding the poor or caring for orphans & widows?


If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. [Mark 3:24-26]


Regarding these so called proofs

Look at the hypocrisy, Because believing in Allah without associating partners with him entitles Muslims to Jannah it is considered vile. What they forgot to mention is that the bible gives a complete free pass to murderers and adulterers, rapists and other sinners as long as they accept Jesus PBUH as their lord and they can all go to heaven. But Muslims do not have that luxury. A muslim who sins will probably go to hell and is only entitled to enter heaven on the basis of his faith when he has completed the period of his punishment. This is ultimate justice.

Non muslims make a choice to reject Allah and they have to live with the consequences of those choices. This is free will.

Athiests, Christians, Jews and polytheists commit shirk a sin that Allah will never forgive, A muslim on the other hand will be rewarded for not comitting shirk but that does not mean he will automatically be absolved of all his/her sins.

I shall bring out of the Fire the one who possesses half a mustard seed of belief. [Tirmidhi]

The  person using these ahadith is clearly looking at Muhammad SAW with glasses of christian divinity, and is trying to show that Muhammad SAW was not some how 'divine'. These Christians miss the point, Muhammad SAW never claimed divinity. He was more like Moses pbuh than the biblical Jesus pbuh. The prophet SAW was the perfect Human, but was human, and all of these ahadith point to that, that is how a normal human would react. It was after the first revelation that prophet Muhammad SAW was told he was a prophet. This shows his humility and humbleness.

The Christians on the other hand use their corrupt scriptures to define how a prophet should react to a revelation, claiming that prophets recognize angels or have unseen knowledge about God and his commands. so why then when angels came to Lot PBUH he kept referring to them as men? And weren't the Angels following Gods command to the letter why did they need to know how many people are in Lots's household in order to save them? Genesis:19. Did God need information before he made his decision?

They also say that because Muhammad SAW was purified, this means he was sinful and needed to be purified and therefore cannot be a prophet.

But speaking in terms of Christianity isn't that the core of the christian faith that everyone is born in sin and needs to be purified by accepting God? And What do they have to say about the prophet hood of David AS? who according to their book committed adultery and killed Bathsheba's husband. Samuel:11

Their Scriptures suggest that a Prophet wrestled with God and God asked the prophet's name? Genesis:22 (Didn't God know his name?) "Based on logic alone, the story reeks of error, stupidity and even blasphemy."

The objections raised by this person are not even remotely based on logic and they are trying to judge every action according to their corrupt bible. Logic would entail considering the teachings the prophet SAW brought, and The Quran  by far is superior in every regard to any other religious scripture.

The fact of the matter is that all of the things this guy is objecting to about prophet Muhammad are present 10 fold in the bible for their prophets and are much more bizarre, and you can clearly see from his writing that he is using translated works of arabic trying to "prove" his point. This is not new and has happened through out history and even during the time of the prophet SAW. The Jews, Christian & pagan Arabs said exactly the same things to discredit the Prophet SAW.


They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! truly thou art mad (or possessed)! [Al-Hijr:6]


But they failed miserably and continue to do so.


They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. [As-Saf:8]
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2015, 07:28:44 PM »

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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 08:18:05 PM »
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 11:23:32 PM »
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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2015, 02:23:28 AM »
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Believers and unbelievers please compare this UNGODLY lengthy period with God's revelation of the Ten Commandments and the Torah DIRECTLY to Moses in 40 days and nights. Already, one should be aware that something is wrong.

Revelations were written to the Jews bit by bit in span of 40 years max.
One can theorize that Musa/Moses (pbuh) receive revelation gradually throughout 40 years span.
Or Moses receive revelations wholly in 40x3 = 120 days but decided to write those verses gradually within 40 years.

Now the problem is.. if Moses memorized the whole revelations in 40 days. There shall not be any 2nd period of 40 days to receive revelations. Nor there should be any 3rd period of 40 days at all. This shows Moses could have not memorize all revelations in 40 days due to repeating cycle of period to learn about the revelations.

Which tells that even after the periods of 40 days, Moses still receive revelations and that is the reason he wrote the books gradually within 40 years span.

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Re: Gabriel or Satan's Revelations?
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