A Christian is keep repeating this, please answer.

[arman114]

He/she said that Jesus said whoever marry divorced women while her husband is alive he commit adultery so Muhammad married Zainab while Zaid was still alive so he committed adultery.

Please answer this.

[Sama]

1- For every nation was sent a Messenger for their guidance. The important matter was the concept of Tawheed, or (belief in the Oneness of Allaah). The secondary matter was Sharee'ah, or religious Law, which kept changing from tribe to tribe and nation to another.
Allaah the Most High alone knows what is good for His creation.

2- There is no direct chain of transmission from Jesus (PBUH) that prove this statement.

Allah knows best.

[submit]

in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 a divorced woman can marry other man. And if the the new husband dies, the first husband cannot remmary his ex-wife, nothing about adultery in here.

But the Greek books state that Jesus disagrees with Moses and changed the permission in Deuteronmy 24 as quoted in Greek book Mark 10.

In short the Christians are saying Bible is not entirely words of God due to Deut 24  not a revelation from God.

[thetruthseeker]

[thetruthseeker]

Oops, my scripture made an emoticon, sorry about that. I meant to say: Matthew 19:8

[submit]

You interpret it as not in contradiction. Some Christians interpret it as Moses creating some Laws by himself. And Jesus abolish it with his sayings that divorce = adultery.

The divorce mentioned in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 is not a command from God, but was permitted by Moses

Thats is exactly what i wrote in the end,

In short the Christians are saying Bible is not entirely words of God due to Deut 24  not a revelation from God.

It is something written by Moses.

[thetruthseeker]

You interpret it as not in contradiction. Some Christians interpret it as Moses creating some Laws by himself. And Jesus abolish it with his sayings that divorce = adultery.

The divorce mentioned in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 is not a command from God, but was permitted by Moses

Thats is exactly what i wrote in the end,

In short the Christians are saying Bible is not entirely words of God due to Deut 24  not a revelation from God.

It is something written by Moses.

You said:

in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 a divorced woman can marry other man. And if the the new husband dies, the first husband cannot remmary his ex-wife, nothing about adultery in here.

But the Greek books state that Jesus disagrees with Moses and changed the permission in Deuteronmy 24 as quoted in Greek book Mark 10.

I have demonstrated by my previous comment that Deut. 24 includes adultery as it would be uncleanness. I also showed the Jesus did not disagree with Moses as the reason Moses gave for divorce is the same reason Jesus gave... UNCLEANNESS. It was wicked hard-hearted men who twisted uncleanness to be whatever they wanted it to be.

[thetruthseeker]

You interpret it as not in contradiction. Some Christians interpret it as Moses creating some Laws by himself. And Jesus abolish it with his sayings that divorce = adultery.

The divorce mentioned in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 is not a command from God, but was permitted by Moses

Thats is exactly what i wrote in the end,

In short the Christians are saying Bible is not entirely words of God due to Deut 24  not a revelation from God.

It is something written by Moses.

Divorce is not adultery. A Christian can divorce and remain unmarried and it is not adultery to do so. When a divorced Christian remarries, it is adultery if they divorced from their first spouse for any reason except for uncleanness (porneia in Greek) which covers every sexual act with any person who is not your spouse.

[arman114]

Divorce is not adultery. A Christian can divorce and remain unmarried and it is not adultery to do so. When a divorced Christian remarries, it is adultery if they divorced from their first spouse for any reason except for uncleanness (porneia in Greek) which covers every sexual act with any person who is not your spouse.

Basically, once you get divorced then you cannot get married with someone else, right? Why is this law? What if two people were forced to marry and later they want divorce?

The definition of adultery is to have physical relations with someone who is not your spouse, it is not to marry a divorced women. You cannot call marrying a divorced women adultery if its not.

[thetruthseeker]

Divorce is not adultery. A Christian can divorce and remain unmarried and it is not adultery to do so. When a divorced Christian remarries, it is adultery if they divorced from their first spouse for any reason except for uncleanness (porneia in Greek) which covers every sexual act with any person who is not your spouse.

Basically, once you get divorced then you cannot get married with someone else, right? Why is this law? What if two people were forced to marry and later they want divorce?

The definition of adultery is to have physical relations with someone who is not your spouse, it is not to marry a divorced women. You cannot call marrying a divorced women adultery if its not.

God considers the two to be one flesh. If you divorce a woman for any reason other than uncleanness, it is adultery when you marry someone else because you are still married to the first woman in God's eyes. That's right, adultery is physical relations with someone who is not your spouse. Because God sees you as still married to the first wife, by you marrying another and having sexual relations with her, you are committing adultery. Some in the Christian circles believe also that abandonment is reason for divorce too in the case of a Christian who is married to a non-Christian and I would agree with that as Paul talks about this in Corinthians, but in the case of two Christians who are married to each other, they are not to divorce unless one has been sexually unfaithful. If you divorce and your wife was not unfaithful, then when you marry another, you commit adultery. Hope that makes more sense.

[thetruthseeker]

Divorce is not adultery. A Christian can divorce and remain unmarried and it is not adultery to do so. When a divorced Christian remarries, it is adultery if they divorced from their first spouse for any reason except for uncleanness (porneia in Greek) which covers every sexual act with any person who is not your spouse.

Basically, once you get divorced then you cannot get married with someone else, right? Why is this law? What if two people were forced to marry and later they want divorce?

The definition of adultery is to have physical relations with someone who is not your spouse, it is not to marry a divorced women. You cannot call marrying a divorced women adultery if its not.

My apologies, I forgot to answer your other question: What if two people were forced to marry and later they want divorce?

Christians are never forced to marry. I have never heard such a thing in Christianity.

[submit]

reread what was written in Deut 24:1-4 as to how Jesus disagreed about divorce and remarriage as permitted by Moses

1) the Greek story states that Jesus abolish 24:1 by saying only reason to divorce now is  adultery,  while Deut 24:1 states that divorce can be done so if the husband feel displeased with wife.

2) the Greek story then states Jesus abolish Deut 24:2 by saying whoever marries a divorced woman is doing adultery. while Deut 24:2 permits man to marry a divorced woman.

that is why divorce = adultery. the Greek story is showing Jesus attacking the fundamental of divorced woman that wishes to remarries.

[thetruthseeker]

[submit]

Indeed what you post is of what your faith taught as in the Greek chapters about Jesus. But do you really believe that during the time of Moses. A woman with a divorce certificate means  a woman with the sin of adultery?

And as a man saw a woman with a divorce certificate. He chose to marry the woman with sin of adultery. And later the 1st husband also wanted to remarry the woman with past immoral sin after her new husband dies.

That is also like saying Moses failed to carry out punishment of stoning on adultery due to Moses not able to find any witnesses. And in the end, Moses created a method of issuing divorce certificate = woman that had carried out adutlery.

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Deut 24:1 means divorce due to wife displeasing husband, not solely due to doing naked or illicit sex. and the Greek books abolish the permission given by Moses by saying Jesus only allow it if its due to adultery.

[thetruthseeker]

Indeed what you post is of what your faith taught as in the Greek chapters about Jesus. But do you really believe that during the time of Moses. A woman with a divorce certificate means  a woman with the sin of adultery?

And as a man saw a woman with a divorce certificate. He chose to marry the woman with sin of adultery. And later the 1st husband also wanted to remarry the woman with past immoral sin after her new husband dies.

That is also like saying Moses failed to carry out punishment of stoning on adultery due to Moses not able to find any witnesses. And in the end, Moses created a method of issuing divorce certificate = woman that had carried out adutlery.

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Deut 24:1 means divorce due to wife displeasing husband, not solely due to doing naked or illicit sex. and the Greek books abolish the permission given by Moses by saying Jesus only allow it if its due to adultery.

Of course not. The woman with a divorce certificate was often put away for any reason at all, even though Moses said for "uncleanness". Without the certificate, it looked like she was still married. The certificate was her proof that she was divorced. Yes, the man "could" have been marrying a woman who may have committed adultery in her first marriage. The first marriage is over, regardless of who committed the adultery. But it might not have been actually for adultery. The man would know that she committed some "indecency" and so her husband sent her away. That indecency should have been actually sexual immorality (as Jesus tells us), but because of wicked men, it could have been anything because they called anything they didn't like about their wives "indecency". She still had her divorce certificate either way, regardless of what exactly she did to "deserve" to be divorced and she could remarry.

Jesus is simply explaining that a man could not divorce for "any cause", even though wicked men did and Moses had to implement something to protect the wives. Moses said for something indecent. They believed that to be for anything they deemed to be indecent. They could divorce her because she broke a dish, or burned his meal, or maybe because she was getting old and was not as attractive anymore. Jesus explains that it was not a reason for a husband to divorce and the only indecent thing would be sexual immorality.

So Jesus and Moses do not contradict each other, that is my point.

I guess we can agree to disagree on this matter. Thank you for the dialogue and for being respectful as we discussed this together. I very much appreciate your kindness.