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Offline Saudi Salafi

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 https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Forbids_You_Not_(Qur'an_60:8)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person

I need a full proper refutation please. I feel scared I might leave my faith (Insha allah not!).

Offline AhmadFarooq

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 05:41:44 PM »

Offline Saudi Salafi

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 05:57:16 PM »
Thanks.

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 06:06:57 PM »
Regarding the second link, I won't go into detail, just point out one flaw.
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Clearly "mischief" which is also equated to "waging war against Allah and His Messenger" in the very next verse, can and does apply to someone who simply refuses to accept Islam.

Their constructed conclusion is that because  mischief is equated as a simple disbelief in Allah, therefore disbelievers should be killed according to the Qur'an. First of all, the "mischief = simple disbelief" equation, they get only from exegeses of the Qur'an which are written by humans and can be erroneous. Also, I highly doubt they even quoted those texts sincerely. As far as I know, the Qur'an does not make this claim.

Secondly, this interpretation implies that Muslims should be killing all the disbelievers, why are they not doing so? Why are the Caliphs and Prophet known to have "not killed" all the disbelievers under their power when they got the chance? Either there is such an obvious contradiction in Islamic doctrine (which apparently Muslim scholars were unaware of) or this website is just being deliberately malicious.

Also, the same website (if I remember correctly) talks about dhimmis. Where did they come from, if all disbelievers were supposed to be killed as a command from Allah (as they allege)? At the very least, the website should have pointed out this apparent contradiction, seeing as it claims to be an "objective" source of Islam.

Objective source, yeah right!
If you want, I can provide you with clear proofs disproving their so-called "objectivity".

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Offline muzi123

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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2016, 05:20:54 PM »
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Forbids_You_Not_(Qur'an_60:8)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person

I need a full proper refutation please. I feel scared I might leave my faith (Insha allah not!).

http://calltotruth.weebly.com/misconceptions/rebuttal-to-wikiislam-if-anyone-slew-a-person

there was another article but cant find it .
Wikiislam basically say 5:32 refers to children of Israel but in response

1.If u want your book to be violent about killing u dont write verses condemning killing. Whether it be stories. Quran says stories are beneficial to us.

2. Prayer was ordained for children of Israel does tht mean its only for them not us

3. Uthman companion of Muhammad 3000 yrs later used 5:32 to prove killing is wrong which crushes the entire article because a sahaba even used it to prove killing is haram.

4.Quran says in other places do not kill a soul.

5. Hadiths say to MURDER  a human being is 1 of the greatest sins.

6. Hadith says if u kill a non muslim u wont smell paradise.

7.Quran says if enemy offers peace giv him peace imagine the 1 who is not your enemy.



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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 05:35:33 PM »
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Forbids_You_Not_(Qur'an_60:8)

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person

I need a full proper refutation please. I feel scared I might leave my faith (Insha allah not!).


The first article is bogus.


He says "According to the tafsir and hadith, this verse was revealed in the context of Abu Bakr's daughter, who refused to let her mother in the house because she was a disbeliever. As Muslims often scream about context (usually when faced with the more violent qur'anic verses), some would say because it was revealed in the context of disbelieving mothers, then it only applies in that context.
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theres verses in quran revealed talking about disblievers going hell. It was actually refering to certain disbelievers at the time does that mean its only for them NO. A verse can be  revealed in  a certain situation but be general. So for e.g  i say to u  be good to that man . Tht can be general also be good to all men.

Whats the proof its general the proof is after tht verse was revealved the prophet had good relations with the
1.Christians of najaran he was kind to them he let them pray in the mosq .
2. Conquest of mecca he was kind to them all he said to his enemies may God forgiv u
3.Quran says hes been sent as a mercy to the worlds so if hes sent as a mercy how can tht verse be only specific to tht.
4.The prophet said Allah will not be merciful to thsoe who are not merciful to MANKIND THT enough shows tht verse is general


Also,  i cnt find the hadith at the moment but ther was a verse revealved for a certain situation the man asked the prophet is it only refering to me  the prophet said all mankind. Also the verses of 4 wives was revealed in a certain situation but its general aswell. Like the verses of killing its a specific situation but it can be general aswell if a similar situation arises wer the enemy attacks.

5. Quran says we created mankind so they may get to knw

then1 another  the prophet recited this verse at the conquest of mecca aswell.



Then he quotes other verses of Quran about violence which has already been debunked . I can refute tht aswell


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Re: Please refute these ONLY the questions below are unnecessary
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2016, 05:40:13 PM »

 

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