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Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« on: April 17, 2016, 11:05:20 AM »
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 The hidden origin of Islam

The standard histories of Muhammad and the early development of Islam are based on Islamic literature that dates to the ninth and tenth centuries--some two centuries or more after the death of Muhammad in 632. Islamic literary sources do not exist for the seventh and eighth centuries, when, according to tradition, Muhammad and his immediate followers lived. All that is preserved from this time period are a few commemorative building inscriptions and assorted coins.
Based on the premise that reliable history can only be written on the basis of sources that are contemporary with the events described, the contributors to this in-depth investigation present research that reveals the obscure origins of Islam in a completely new light. As the authors meticulously show, the name "Muhammad" first appears on coins in Syria bearing Christian iconography. In this context the name is used as an honorific meaning "revered" or "praiseworthy" and can only refer to Jesus Christ, as Christianity was the predominant religion of the area at this time. This same reference exists in the building inscription of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, built by the caliph `Abd al-Malik.

The implication of these and other findings here presented is that the early Arab rulers adhered to a sect of Christianity. Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity. Linguistic analysis also indicates that Aramaic, the common language throughout the Near East for many centuries and the language of Syrian Christianity, significantly influenced the Arabic script and vocabulary used in the Koran. Finally, it was not until the end of the eighth and ninth centuries that Islam formed as a separate religion, and the Koran underwent a period of historical development of at least 200 years.

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2016, 11:06:01 AM »
Can anyone debunk this please

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2016, 01:16:02 PM »

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 01:29:34 PM »
Another much more detailed and pretty lengthy response to Luxenberg's book:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/vowel.html

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2016, 02:06:27 PM »
 The world's oldest Quran (not really the "oldest" but the oldest one found yet) was found in Birmingham and it is unchanged.
http://www.muslimworldjournal.com/2015/07/oldest-quran-found-in-birmingham/

And it doesn't predate Muhammad according to an expert

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fragments-of-worlds-oldest-koran-unlikely-to-pre-date-prophet-mohamed-says-expert-10481728.html

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2016, 02:10:27 PM »
This video proves that the Bible is corrupt:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY-fa-IjJoE

 The Bible has been changed many times. Kings sometimes changed the Bible secretly so people would obey them. There are hundreds of different versions of the Bible and Christian scholars have had troubles choosing the best one, but Muslims only read one quran (of course there are English translations, but they are only few and we don't read them only the Arabic).  I was once scrolling down on a YT comment section and I found 2 Christians having a conversation. The first Christian asked the other one about what kind of bible he reads. He said the NIV and then the first Christian told him, "don't read that version because this is Not the true Bible . Only KJV is!". Hilarious! So only 1 Bible out of the hundreds of different versions of the Bible is the TRUE one.



 FUN FACT: The last time the Bible got edited was from about 45 years ago! https://skepticalteacher.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/the-embarrassing-truth-about-the-bible-its-still-being-edited/

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2016, 09:06:00 PM »
This video proves that the Bible is corrupt:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY-fa-IjJoE

 The Bible has been changed many times. Kings sometimes changed the Bible secretly so people would obey them. There are hundreds of different versions of the Bible and Christian scholars have had troubles choosing the best one, but Muslims only read one quran (of course there are English translations, but they are only few and we don't read them only the Arabic).  I was once scrolling down on a YT comment section and I found 2 Christians having a conversation. The first Christian asked the other one about what kind of bible he reads. He said the NIV and then the first Christian told him, "don't read that version because this is Not the true Bible . Only KJV is!". Hilarious! So only 1 Bible out of the hundreds of different versions of the Bible is the TRUE one.


 FUN FACT: The last time the Bible got edited was from about 45 years ago! https://skepticalteacher.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/the-embarrassing-truth-about-the-bible-its-still-being-edited/

As-Salamu aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Below, two nice videos that shows the exact places in the most ancient manuscripts where the particular verses are missing! Notice that those verses are to be found only in the modern Bible version:

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXmjR4Of9I
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPjIDeIoJo

Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 09:22:02 AM »
for skeptic , the claim should be Islam was originally the original Jewish followers of Jesus's sect. If Islam was originally of Pauline Christian sect, then Jews would not be mixing themselves with Muslims in Arabia.

Christianity is based on belief of the content of letters/books written by Paul abolishing Israelite practices. All of the other Greek books with stories about Jesus being divine /having divine  origin were later penned down only after being convinced by the claim of Paul meeting Jesus whom later began spreading the story about resurrection and as such having couple godly figures instead of just one God.

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Re: Some claim states Islam was originally a Christian sect
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2016, 11:43:48 AM »

 

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