Help, Christian source claims caliphate is the antichrist

[Introvert98]

[AhmadFarooq]

[AhmadFarooq]

Regarding Daesh being the antichrist, first of all this "antichrist" title is tossed around like a football. If I remember correctly, during the cold war era it was used for Communism. As far as I know, there definitely is not enough scriptural evidence to call Daesh or any other organization as antichrist. The Bible appears to be pretty clear about calling a single person as the antichrist and not organizations.

In any case, Daesh most likely will not exist for long (Insha'Allah).
(Unless some foreign govt. starts supporting them, or more than how much they have already been doing till now. Hope that doesn't happen).

[Saudi Salafi]

ISIS PROPHECY IN ISLAM:


It was narrated in Kitaab Al-Fitan (the Book of Trials), written by Al-Mirwazi (Al-Bukhari's teacher), that Ali bin Abi Taalib (ra) said:
"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."



black flags, check.
weak with no capabilities [compared to proper todays military standards], check
hearts are like blocks of iron, check [check their execution vids, they don't fear death..etc..]
people of the state, check.
first names are kunaa and last names are quraa, check
loose hair like women, check

some pics of ISIS members to confirm the long hair part

http://i.imgur.com/YtqJaSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8Drv1Z4.png

http://i.imgur.com/ySewwsQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/w0HXvR4.png

[Saudi Salafi]

[submit]

ours is false christ which refer to Impostor Messiah who will claim to bring salvation for Jews.

while their definition of antichrist is person/group fighting christ.

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past thread on isis http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1863.0

[Shabeer1]

ISIS ,TALIBAN,BOKO HARAM NOT AN ISLAMIC ORGANISATION ,THEY R NOT REPRESENTING ANY ISLAMIC VALUE ,THEY R CREATED BY WEST FOR FEAR OF ''' ISLAM PHOBIA ''''',BEC'S MASS CONVERSION TO ISLAM GOING ON ACROSS THE EUROPE AND US

PLZ READ MY POST ISLAM VS THESE TERRORIST ORGANISATION

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1714.msg6843#msg6843   

[submit]

ISIS ,TALIBAN,BOKO HARAM are fighting West, as retaliation to West invoking bloodshed to their nation.
The thing about deceitful war, once one have taste the action of taking lives of other human. Then it will be a casual act for them. And they cant stop.

[IndonesianStranger]

ISIS PROPHECY IN ISLAM:


It was narrated in Kitaab Al-Fitan (the Book of Trials), written by Al-Mirwazi (Al-Bukhari's teacher), that Ali bin Abi Taalib (ra) said:
"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."



black flags, check.
weak with no capabilities [compared to proper todays military standards], check
hearts are like blocks of iron, check [check their execution vids, they don't fear death..etc..]
people of the state, check.
first names are kunaa and last names are quraa, check
loose hair like women, check

some pics of ISIS members to confirm the long hair part

http://i.imgur.com/YtqJaSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8Drv1Z4.png

http://i.imgur.com/ySewwsQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/w0HXvR4.png

This hadith was transmitted by two chains of narrators.
-First chain of narrators: Narrated by Ibn Majah from Khalid al-Hadza' from Abu Qilabah, from Abu Asma from Tsauban.
-Second chain of narrators: Narrated by Imam Ahmad from Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an from Abu Qilabah.

The hadith is deemed weak by by the ulamas. One of the reasons are:
-Al-Munawi in his book Faidhul Qodir said: One of the narrators is Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an. It has been mentioned in al-Mizan from Ahmad and the others who labelled him as a weak narrator. Ad-Dzhahabi said, "I think this hadits is munkar". (Faidhul Qodir, 1/363)

- Abu Qilabah was a mudallis (as-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, hadith explaination no. 85)

Source: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html (not written in English)

-sorry for bad english-
 

[IndonesianStranger]

ISIS PROPHECY IN ISLAM:


It was narrated in Kitaab Al-Fitan (the Book of Trials), written by Al-Mirwazi (Al-Bukhari's teacher), that Ali bin Abi Taalib (ra) said:
"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."



black flags, check.
weak with no capabilities [compared to proper todays military standards], check
hearts are like blocks of iron, check [check their execution vids, they don't fear death..etc..]
people of the state, check.
first names are kunaa and last names are quraa, check
loose hair like women, check

some pics of ISIS members to confirm the long hair part

http://i.imgur.com/YtqJaSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8Drv1Z4.png

http://i.imgur.com/ySewwsQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/w0HXvR4.png

This hadith was transmitted by two chains of narrators.
-First chain of narrators: Narrated by Ibn Majah from Khalid al-Hadza' from Abu Qilabah, from Abu Asma from Tsauban.
-Second chain of narrators: Narrated by Imam Ahmad from Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an from Abu Qilabah.

The hadith is deemed weak by by the ulamas. One of the reasons are:
-Al-Munawi in his book Faidhul Qodir said: One of the narrators is Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an. It has been mentioned in al-Mizan from Ahmad and the others who labelled him as a weak narrator. Ad-Dzhahabi said, "I think this hadits is munkar". (Faidhul Qodir, 1/363)

- Abu Qilabah was a mudallis (as-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, hadith explaination no. 85)

Source: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html (not written in English)

-sorry for bad english-
 

Erghm, I'm sorry, I think I posted a wrong answer. I asked to a sheikh in Jakarta about another similar hadith, but not this one. As for the hadith that you quote, it had been explained in here: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html.

"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."

The hadith is viewed weak by the ulamas, because:
1. 'An'anah from al-Walid
2. Risydin ibn Sa'd was a weak narrator (dhaif)
3. Ibn Lahaiah was a weak narrator
4. Abu Ruman was a majhul (unknown) narrator.

(al-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, 1/440)

Despite the status of the hadith, if we pay attention to the hadith, the hadith is mocking them.

And also, just because the hadith is deemed weak (I don't know if there are any ulamas who view this hadith as authentic, if there are any let me know), it doesn't mean that ISIS is Islamic right? 

[Saudi Salafi]

ISIS PROPHECY IN ISLAM:


It was narrated in Kitaab Al-Fitan (the Book of Trials), written by Al-Mirwazi (Al-Bukhari's teacher), that Ali bin Abi Taalib (ra) said:
"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."



black flags, check.
weak with no capabilities [compared to proper todays military standards], check
hearts are like blocks of iron, check [check their execution vids, they don't fear death..etc..]
people of the state, check.
first names are kunaa and last names are quraa, check
loose hair like women, check

some pics of ISIS members to confirm the long hair part

http://i.imgur.com/YtqJaSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8Drv1Z4.png

http://i.imgur.com/ySewwsQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/w0HXvR4.png

This hadith was transmitted by two chains of narrators.
-First chain of narrators: Narrated by Ibn Majah from Khalid al-Hadza' from Abu Qilabah, from Abu Asma from Tsauban.
-Second chain of narrators: Narrated by Imam Ahmad from Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an from Abu Qilabah.

The hadith is deemed weak by by the ulamas. One of the reasons are:
-Al-Munawi in his book Faidhul Qodir said: One of the narrators is Ali ibn Zaid ibn Jadza'an. It has been mentioned in al-Mizan from Ahmad and the others who labelled him as a weak narrator. Ad-Dzhahabi said, "I think this hadits is munkar". (Faidhul Qodir, 1/363)

- Abu Qilabah was a mudallis (as-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, hadith explaination no. 85)

Source: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html (not written in English)

-sorry for bad english-
 

Erghm, I'm sorry, I think I posted a wrong answer. I asked to a sheikh in Jakarta about another similar hadith, but not this one. As for the hadith that you quote, it had been explained in here: https://konsultasisyariah.com/23247-hadis-tentang-isis.html.

"If you see the black flags, then hold the ground and do not move your hands or your feet. A people will come forth who are weak and have no capability, their hearts are like blocks of iron. They are the people of the state (literally says "the people of Al-Dawla"), they do not keep a promise or treaty. They call to the truth, but they are not its people. Their first names are Kunaa (nicknames like Abu Muhammed), and their last names are Quraa (names of towns and cities, like Al-Halabi), and their hair is loose like women's hair. (Leave them) until they fight among themselves, then God will bring the truth from from whoever He wills."

The hadith is viewed weak by the ulamas, because:
1. 'An'anah from al-Walid
2. Risydin ibn Sa'd was a weak narrator (dhaif)
3. Ibn Lahaiah was a weak narrator
4. Abu Ruman was a majhul (unknown) narrator.

(al-Silsilah ad-Dhaifah, 1/440)

Despite the status of the hadith, if we pay attention to the hadith, the hadith is mocking them.

And also, just because the hadith is deemed weak (I don't know if there are any ulamas who view this hadith as authentic, if there are any let me know), it doesn't mean that ISIS is Islamic right? 

Assalamu aleikum brother,

  Wassim Yousef,who is a known scholar over here in the Arabian Gulf, used this hadith against ISIS. He himself had stated that the hadith is weak, but it's meaning is sound and it has the knowledge of ghayb (unknown) so it is permissible to use it. Because of course, no hadith forger would be able to make such a prophecy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFispA8Ug9k (You might not understand anything because it is in Arabic).