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We hear that they have been there from some for close to 5,000 years, some will tell you they came from the Canaanites, others will tell you they came from the Philistines, and others, they say they are the real Jews that are left, and all three claims are false. The fact is the Canaanites if you look at the historical work done through archaeology there has not been one Canaanite find dating after 1200 BC. Most experts in the field believe that the Canaanites were absorbed by the Jewish population, there is also speculation that the Jews actually came from them, but as a culture, there is nothing at all found to date that can be traced later than 1200 BC, so the claim that the Palestinians came from them, that is an impossibility.
Next we have the Philistines, these were most likely a group of people that came to the area from Greece, they were not only documented by the Israeli in the Torah or the Old Testament, there is also mention of them in the Egyptian, Hittite, and other ancient sources, but nothing is mentioned about them after the Babylonian conquest of the land, and prior to that they were in decline as is evident by the archaeological finds of the cities they inhabited. To find their demise, there is no data concerning this in any Egyptian, Sumerian, Assyrian or Hebrew religious writings, but the fact is that sometime after King David and Solomon used them as their bodyguards, they declined and then prior to the conquest they left their cities, there is no archaeological find to support they were there after this time period, either they were swallowed up by the local population, but there is nothing to show this, that is why most scholars believe they left the area, most likely went back to their ancestral homelands in Greece.
Bottom line, to date there is not one archaeological find that shows a distinct Palestinian sub-group of Arabs to date, not one single find. This is impossible, there is no way they could have cleaned up 100% of their trash, this is further supported by the wealth left behind by the other ancient civilizations and later by the Babylonians, the Assyrians, later the Persians or the Greeks, the Judaic kings, and the Romans, Byzantines, the early Muslim Empires, later the Ottomans, but never to date has there been one find of a Palestinian presence prior to 1900, if there is one, I challenge you to tell me what it was, who discovered it, and the documentation concerning this.
So we have no archaeological finds, there is no mention of these people by ancient writers, the fact that they claim of Jerusalem being their capital, that is equally incorrect, in all of history Jerusalem has only been the capital of the Jewish kingdoms and during the Middle Ages the Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem, but at no time has any Arab country ever had this city as their capital. More so the claim that this city somehow is the place that Mohammad touched down on with his magical horse is equally incorrect, Syria, which the area was once part of, was not conquered until after the death of Mohammad, so he never set a foot in either Syria or in Jerusalem during his lifetime, so there is no way this could be. This is further backed up by early Muslim writers.

-Ibn Khaldun (Arabic: أبو زيد ولي الدين عبد الرحمن بن محمد بن خلدون الحضرمي)-one of the most creditable Arab historians, in 1377 C.E. wrote: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement".
"In the East, however, crafts have established themselves since the days of ancient Persian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Israelite, Greek and Roman rule". (No mention of Arabs...weird isn't it ??)

This, the first qibla (direction of prayer) of Islam, did not last long. The Jews criticized the new faith and rejected the friendly Islamic gestures; not long after, the Qur'an broke with them, probably in early 624. The explanation of this change comes in a Qur'anic verse instructing the faithful no longer to pray toward Syria but instead toward Mecca. The passage (2:142-52) begins by anticipating questions about this abrupt change:
The Fools among the people will say: "What has turned them [the Muslims] from the qibla to which they were always used?"

Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya (638-700), a close relative of the Prophet Muhammad, is quoted denigrating the notion that the prophet ever set foot on the Rock in Jerusalem; "these damned Syrians," by which he means the Umayyads, "pretend that God put His foot on the Rock in Jerusalem, though [only] one person ever put his foot on the rock, namely Abraham."

So as we see the claim that the city is the third holiest site, this is not to be found in one Muslim writing prior to 1900 when the Zionist movement started, when the Muslims caught wind of it, then magically the city suddenly held a religious hold on them, then in the 1920’s they took a rundown area with grass growing from the cracks, put gold on the dome and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem started the great lie. This is something you see time after time with Islam, it is not that the sites are holy, it is to prevent the ones that hold the sites in this manner from ever realizing what they feel.

So lets go further, we see there is no archaeological evidence of the Palestinians, there is no documentation mentioning the Palestinians prior to 1900, then what about eye witnesses? How about we look at what people who visited the land had to say.

"There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent (valley of Jezreel, Galilea); not for thirty miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee... Nazareth is forlorn... Jericho lies a moldering ruin... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature.
- Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad", 1867 –

"There are many proofs, such as ancient ruins, broken aqueducts, and remains of old roads, which show that it has not always been so desolate as it seems now. In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life. There some rude mills here which are turned by the stream. A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins ..."
- B. W. Johnson, in "Young Folks in Bible Lands": Chapter IV, 1892 -

"The land in Palestine is lacking in people to till its fertile soil".
- British archaeologist Thomas Shaw, mid-1700s -

"Palestine is a ruined and desolate land"

- Count Constantine François Volney, XVIII century French author and historian -
"The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population".
- James Finn, British Consul in 1857 -
In 1844, William Thackeray writes about the road from Jaffa to Jerusalem: "Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride."

"In Judea it is hardly an exaggeration to say that for miles and miles there was no appearance of life or habitation."
Penrhyn Stanley, British cartographer, 1881

In 1866, W.M. Thomson writes: "How melancholy is this utter desolation. Not a house, not a trace of inhabitants, not even shepherds, to relieve the dull monotony ... Much of the country through which we have been rambling for a week appears never to have been inhabited, or even cultivated; and there are other parts, you say, still more barren."

"Outside the city of Jerusalem, we saw no living object, heard no living sound ... a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, in the highways, in the country."

Alphonse de Lamartine, travel book, 1835
In 1874, Reverend Samuel Manning wrote: "But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude.... Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter -- "the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants." (Jeremiah, ch.44 v.22)

We have no mention of the Palestinians, no archaeological finds, no one saw them, so what about census taken of the area, I mean you can google the Numbers and see numbers listed right? Well here lies the problem, the Ottomans did not do census, it was against their faith, so until one was done, and it had shown them that it was problematic at best not knowing the population make up they refused to do so. This was first shown to them in the first official sanctioned census of the land by the Jesuits, the Ottoman officials were not allowed to do the census, so they tracked and watched the Jesuits doing it to make sure the results were accurate. Great thing is, today this book is still available, here are the findings.

"Palaestina ex monumentis veteribus illustrata" - a detailed geographical survey of Palestine in 1696 written in Latin by Adriaan Reland published by Willem Broedelet, Utrecht, in 1714.
Residents of the REGION mainly concentrated in cities: Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza.
In most cities, the majority of residents are Christians, Jews and others, very few Muslims who generally are Bedouin, who came to serve as Seasonal workers in agriculture or building.
Nablus: 120 Muslims, 70 Samaritans
Nazareth: 700 people - all Christians
Umm al-Fahm: 50 people-10 families, ALL Christian
Gaza: 550 people- 300 Jews,250 Christian(Jews engaged in agriculture Christians deal with the trading and transporting the products)
Tiberius: 300 residents, all Jews.
Safed: about 200 inhabitants, all Jews
Jerusalem: 5000 people, most of them (3,500) Jews, the rest- Christian (1000), Muslim (500)
Note* (no Muslims in Gaza)!

So we have Gaza, Jerusalem, Tiberius, and Sufed all either with a Jewish majority, or in some cases just populated by Jews. It was due to this that the Ottomans started to push people to migrate to the area, they did not wish to see the Jews overtaking it population wise. So where did the census we see in works like Encyclopedia Britannia? Research their data, it is projections, projections taking into account the claim by the "Palestinians" that they were there as a majority, but they refuse to address the fact of this census, the first one done of the land. After this the Ottomans started to finally lift the ban on census, and you will find after 1800 they started to take them regularly.
What I am saying is not a lone voice, the British when investigating the area for strategic reasons also came to the same conclusion when investigating the area.
"The area was under populated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880's, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained "The Holy Land" in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab.
- The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913 –

People who claim the Arabs were in the land first fail to acknowledge the facts, the Arab migration to the land during the 1920's and 1930's has been well documented. In fact, the British Hope-Simpson Commission addressed this issue in its recommendation of 1930.
The British governor of the Sinai (1922-1936) reported in the Palestine Royal Commission Report that illegal immigration to Palestine was not only occurring from Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria.
In 1939, British PM, Winston Churchill, stated " the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."
In 1934, the Governor of the Syrian district of Hauran admitted that within just a few months, more than 30,000 Arabs left Hauran for Syria.
The 1844 Ottoman Census shows a Jewish majority living in Jerusalem, Hebron, S'fat, and Gaza City. To claim that the Jews were not there prior to Israel's establishment is simply false.


But not just the British findings, what about what the Arabs admit between themselves.

Professor Azmi Bishara(Arabic: عزمي بشارة)- a "Palestinian Arab"
"There is no "Palestinian nation", The word "Palestine" itself is a colonial invention used by the Romans in order to erase the Jewish identity of Judea and Israel!

Zuheir Mohsen (Arabic: زهير محسن) top PLO member responsible for Damur massacre.
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

This fact was admitted by Professor Philip Hitti, an Arab historian who declared, “There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.” This fact is further confirmed by the Saudi Arabia Representative at the United Nations. “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria."

Fathi Hammad, minister of the interior and national security for Hamas, a recognized terror group, confirmed that “half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis.” He said this on Egyptian TV, Google it, the video is there for all to see.

Syrian dictator Hafez Assad (father of the present dictator) told PLO leader Yasser Arafat, “You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria.”

So why the lie? How about we let Arafat and his aid tell us:

Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council, clearly said “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity… yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.”

“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”


Hammer MF, Redd AJ, Wood ET; et al. (June 2000). "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 97 (12): 6769–6774. Bibcode:2000PNAS...97.6769H. doi:10.1073/pnas.100115997. PMC 18733. PMID 10801975.
Showed how the people were separated from the European Populations.
Need AC, Kasperaviciute D, Cirulli ET, Goldstein DB; Kasperaviciute; Cirulli; Goldstein (2009). "A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans". Genome Biology 10 (1): R7. doi:10.1186/gb-2009-10-1-r7. PMC 2687795. PMID 19161619.
And research has shown that the so called Palestinians are more closely related to the Bedouins, not the Jews like people claim, this also shows they originated from lines in Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.
Atzmon, G; Hao, L; Pe'Er, I; Velez, C; Pearlman, A; Palamara, PF; Morrow, B; Friedman, E; et al. (2010). "Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry". American Journal of Human Genetics 86 (6): 850–859. doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015. PMC 3032072. PMID 20560205.
Ostrer, H; Skorecki, K (2013). "The population genetics of the Jewish people". Human Genetics 132 (2): 119–127. doi:10.1007/s00439-012-1235-6. PMC 3543766. PMID 23052947.

They hate this, this is from Medical journals, that is where real geneticist publish their works. Also within this it shows a clear linage or relationship between all the Jews, there is no such thing as a made up group like the fools love to yell about the Khazar Jews.

 

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