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Earth's shape and dahaha
« on: August 22, 2016, 05:27:48 PM »
Salam. Now the word dahaha no doubt does mean in the shape of an egg (according to Muajam al waseet as well)

Scrolling through wikipedia i found out those answering Islam fiends state that an ostrich egg is prolate and earth is oblate (not perfectly oblate btw)

Thoughts ? Refutations ?

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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 05:54:03 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/neiltyson/status/512994844801638400

But to my surprise.. he also has videos discussing it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2016, 06:37:42 PM »

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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 12:16:32 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother,

Dahaha doesn't just mean egg.  It more accurately means making something spherical, among other meanings such as pushing something, or causing it to roll.  It also means to expand.  When Allah Almighty Said that He Daha the earth, it means that Allah Almighty:

1-  Expanded the earth spherically.

2-  Made it rotate around itself.

3-  Travel in its-now stable orbit around the sun, which made it support life as we know it on earth.  Before that, earth was chaotic and didn't support life.  So it was stabilized by Allah Almighty.  This is why in the very next Noble Verse, Allah Almighty Said that after He DAHAHA, He brought from it its water and pasture.  This clearly and indisputably supports my point that Dahaha means that earth's rotation around the sun became stable in the goldilocks zone, and now earth started to produce and support life.

To learn more, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 02:37:02 AM »
Thank you brother osama.

Now the earth isnt 100% OBLATE like these infidels claim. It turned out to actually be BARELY oblate. But with that being said doesnt the ostrich egg look a bit prolate when standing (on its poles lets say) ?  There are other eggs tho that are more similar to the earth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/adaptations/Oviparity

Most notably the quail..

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 03:35:27 AM »
^^^^ sorry i mesnt leatherback turtle**

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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 03:53:59 AM »

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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 05:27:30 AM »
@khdrb lol i actually saw that video yesterday.

But the issue is the idiots claiming that the ostrich egg would be prolate as opposed to slightly oblate. Eggs obviously cant (balance) stand on their own so they lay down. Pumpkins which (nasa i believed) said resembles the earth does have a base to support it. I suppose those flat earth infidels think there isn't any gravity in space ?


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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 07:15:10 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Dahaha here really means spherical.  I don't think it means egg.  The ample definitions that I gave already demonstrated this.  And it's not just spherical.  It also means that its orbit around the sun had been stabilized.  This is where its water and pasture are made possible.  If it didn't get dahaha, then its water and pasture would not be brought forth.  Notice the following:

1-  A dead planet can have an atmosphere.  Mars today has an atmosphere.  Yet, it doesn't support life.

2-  In order for a planet to support OUR LIFE, its atmosphere must support producing water and pasture.

3-  Therefore, Dahaha here also includes stabilizing earth's orbit around the sun, in the goldilocks zone, in order for the earth to be able to produce water and pasture.  Dahaha also means its spherical expansion was done so that when earth cools down to a certain level, it will support our life.  This expansion allowed for production of water from earth.  In the links, I have given a video from History Channel showing how water comes out of planets that support life in the goldilocks zones.

Anyway, go through the links that I gave.  You'll see ample proofs from the several dictionaries that I used.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2016, 09:08:54 AM »
They claim that the egg is wrong because it's "Prolate".

The quran never stated if the egg was upright.. it didn't exactly state it's dimensions therefore it can't be refuted in such a way these answering islamics or wiki islamics try.

In addition... eggs don't freaking stand they'll lose balance. Therefore it's laid shape is valid.

Unbelievable.

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2016, 11:10:14 AM »
The holy Quran never stated any architecture shape for the earth in a clear way or if it have a flat surface or a sloppy surface or a spherical surface, it stated that Allah has spread it out and make it easy for wandering and planting and life matters , and Allah never stated the movement of earth in a clear way but Allah said (27-88)"and thou shalt see the mountains, that thou supposest fixed, passing by like clouds -- God's handiwork, who has created everything very well. He is aware of the things you do".. everything above you is a sky , every thing below your feet is an earth. maybe dahaha means that Allah made it ready for life . And Allah knows best . if Allah sent the Quran tafseer with it ,then people would have mastered it and then threw it away and forgot it long time ago.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2016, 12:40:59 PM »
The holy Quran never stated any architecture shape for the earth in a clear way or if it have a flat surface or a sloppy surface or a spherical surface, it stated that Allah has spread it out and make it easy for wandering and planting and life matters , and Allah never stated the movement of earth in a clear way but Allah said (27-88)"and thou shalt see the mountains, that thou supposest fixed, passing by like clouds -- God's handiwork, who has created everything very well. He is aware of the things you do".. everything above you is a sky , every thing below your feet is an earth. maybe dahaha means that Allah made it ready for life . And Allah knows best . if Allah sent the Quran tafseer with it ,then people would have mastered it and then threw it away and forgot it long time ago.

The Holy Quran made it clear that earth was:

1-  Spherical.
2-  Rotating around itself.
3-  Is traveling in space.

We don't only have DAHAHA دحاها.  We also have KIFAATA كفاتا (used for flying birds), TAQOOM تقوم (used for moving firmly), WADA'A وضع (used for moving something), MIHAADA مهادا (used for rocking back and forth; science calls this "Axial Tilt" for earth, which is what causes the seasonal changes).

And again, have Allah Almighty not DAHA the earth, it would not have been able to produce water and pasture.  This clearly and indipsubably means that earth became balanced in its rotation around the sun, and cool enough and stable enough to where it now can support the life that we are living today.

The Noble Words that Allah Almighty used to describe earth are all ones that deal with motion.  Why are you dismissing them?  If people back then failed to understand it, or accept it, then that's there problem.  Imam Bukhari said that he threw away THOUSANDS OF HADITHS:

www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html


Do we not have outside Bukhari this Hadith:



So it is quite probable that Prophet Muhammad did go indepth about the earth and its spherical shape, and its motion in space.  But since many probably thought it was unbelievable and ridiculous, then Imam Bukhari and other Hadiths collectors didn't include them.


So maybe Imam Bukhari threw away the Hadiths that did speak about the motion of earth in space, because people refused to believe them.  They would think that we would feel the motion too if earth was in motion.  Didn't even a doofus from today's salafies say this very exact thing today?  Watch this video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKSKUIjBiM0

I would respond, in laymen's term, to the stupid salafies and others who use his type of argumentation to challenge science, by giving them the example of driving inside a closed car vs a motor cycle or a convertible car.  If you wear a hat inside a closed car, then your hat will remain on your head even if you're going 100 miles per hour on the road.

However, if you're driving a convertible, and the top is down, then your hat will fly away.  Your atmosphere inside the closed car is like our earth and its atmosphere today.  Earth today rotates around itself at a speed of 1000 miles per hour.  Yet, we don't feel it, because we are part of the motion.  When we go outside earth in space, the motion changes, and if we re-enter atmosphere too fast, then the friction with the thicker air will cause us to overheat and burn.  This is why asteroids burn up when they enter earth.


What gravity??

And forget gravity!!  If earth was spherical, then we would all fall off to space.  After all, if you pour water on a spherical object, wouldn't it just drain down to the ground??  And if earth was rotating around itself fast, then it would throw us all off into space!!

So maybe the Hadiths that went into the details of earth's roundness and motion were thrown away, because the people just couldn't fathom them.  Again, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm#geology_moving_earth_rain
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links





Allah Almighty Promised to Reveal the Scientific Miracles:

Another aspect for you to consider is that Allah Almighty Promised to reveal the Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran through the scientific discoveries that man will discover through Allah Almighty's Will:

"We will soon show them  Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (THE QURAN) is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?   (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

So if Allah Almighty chose to show you today that the earth is indeed spherical and is moving in space through NASA and other scientific agencies, and Allah Almighty chose to show you that this is indeed also in the Quran, as He Promised, then who are you to refuse this?

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm

So even if the Hadiths are lacking, it isn't because the Glorious Quran doesn't mention that the earth is spherical and is in motion.  But rather, because the people of that generation weren't ready for this type of knowledge.  So they failed to see it.  But as we advanced today, it became very clear to us.  Again, Allah Almighty PROMISED this:

"We will soon show them  Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it (THE QURAN) is the truth...."

Take care,
Osama Abdallah



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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2016, 01:08:35 PM »
Thanks brother osama. My issue is trying to clearly comprehend dahaha and spherical.

Btw i found a site regarding ostrich eggs measurements.
(An ostrich egg measures approximately 6 inches in length and 15-18 inches in circumference.)

^does that in any way claim the ostrich egg is similar to the earth (not prolate) or ? *asking question not sarcasm*

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Re: Earth's shape and dahaha
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2016, 01:37:55 PM »
You are welcome, dear brother.  Again, I am not sure about the egg definition.  Daha means to roll down (as in rolling down a barrel from a hill. This is where you get the Arabic word DAHRAJA "to roll down"), to move, to make round.  And yes, it does also mean egg.  But I am not sure if egg here is the intended meaning, because again, after Allah Almighty DAHA the earth, He enabled it to produce:

1-  It's own water.
2-  It's own pasture.


So this means that the atmosphere and the temperature of the earth became perfect to enable the life that we are living today.  I just find the association between DAHA and producing water and pasture to be AMAZING!

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah