Historical proof of Mecca existence B.C.

[Idris]

As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

How to explain that there is no non-Islamic testimony about the existence of Mekka in old times except only from the Greco-Egyptian geographer Ptolemy in the mid-2nd century A.D., who mentioned a place Makoraba, but even here it is not certain whether this allusion indeed referred to Mecca, as he only mentioned the name in passing (I know that many historians have said that Prolemy mentioned Mekka naming it as Makoraba, but it does not satisfy me)
Do we have some early, historical report which can prove that Mekka existed before Christian era ?

Actually I have found an obvious proof, but I need first to know how Muslims explain almost completely lack of evidences dealing with the historicity of Mekka.

[AMuslimDude213]

The Lack of evidence is due to how backwords the arabs were,most of them didn't know how to read,or write they could only speak,and they used to live in hot deserts with barely any stone/tablet to write on like they did in those times.

[Idris]

Salam aleikum,

your reasoning is nice and quite logic, but it does not change the fact that there are many ancient records and documents from North Arabia with no mention of Mecca ? Thus, the explication of the lack of evidences (except very few records) from my point of view remains still problematic.

See e.g. this article: http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/archeology.htm

I didn't read the entire article anyway, but maybe you or other brothers will notice something that I've overlooked.

Jazakum Allahu khayran for every kind of your efforts.

[AMuslimDude213]

Actually I have found a little bit of proof,Diodorus Siculus recorded the Ka'aba's Existence.

https://discoverthetruefacts.wordpress.com/tag/diodorus-siculus/

but the rest explains that Not many populations were in Ka'aba but Ka'aba is often REFERENCED TO in ancient literacy,the ka'aba used to have different red,blue,etc colors on it before the Muslim empire's recolored it to its brick like-color we know it as today.

[AMuslimDude213]

http://www.answering-christianity.com/paran.htm


and I would like to hear your obvious proof of Mecca being in the ancient times,and the reason for less writings on it is probably due to people not noticing it,you see Mecca was FILLED with mountains,around the whole Ka'aba itself,And Mecca had many 1000s if not MILLIONS of different names in the past,
It can be Paran,Makkah,Bakkah,Macoraba,Mikrab,etc,etc there are MANY names,and since the Place was MOUNTAINOUS and was a dangerous place due to it being mostly Jungle and moutains and the Ka'aba people went around it,
since the place had nothing in it except a structure(Kaaba),the place had no Population in it,except a few(probably tribal) people Kedar

[AMuslimDude213]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah

Also the bible mentions

 different Valley of Baca ("Valley of the Baka tree", see below) is mentioned in the Book of Psalms Chapter 84, in the following passage:


How amiable are thy tabernacles, O Lord of hosts! My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the Lord: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God. Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O Lord of hosts, my King, and my God. Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.


And this is in PSALMS a old testament notice it says the "Sparrow hath found a house"

the commentators say this is Jerusalem but there is no ancient Jewish literature describing a place in Jerusalem called "Bakkah"
so indeed this is the ka'aba,and an irrefutable proof that Abraham built it.

[Idris]

Salam aleikum,

I know all about of those informations you've posted brother. Maybe you right, since Mecca was covered by mountains and it has not too much population, perhaps this argument would justify why there are so few historical witnesses to its existence.

As to my obvious proof, it comes directly from an early translation of Genesis (the first book of the Pentateuch), and also from an ancient samaritan writing ascribed to the Prophet Moses (pbuh). I will discuss it insha'Allah today

[AhmadFarooq]

The Islamic Awareness article on the matter: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/kaaba.html

[Idris]

[Idris]

[Saudi Salafi]

 Assalamu alaikum brother Idris,

 Welcome back. This link proves that Mecca existed long before the 4th century. Please read it:

https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/03/did-kabah-in-makkah-exist-before-4th-century/

[Idris]

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

Thanks brother Abdullah Almadi, I have read this article before, but frankly for me those various quotation are merely agreements of contemporary scholars and that's all. The real, historical proof is that one I've discussed above. Of course the documents from Ptolemy, Diodorus and other ancient geographers are also a historical evidence, but are not so clearly expressed about Mecca, in contrary to the two sources which I've presented in this post.

By the way, brother Osama, the title of this thread should be changed to "Historical proof of Mecca existence B.C." and insha'Allah perhaps will be a new findings.

[QuranSearchCom]

By the way, brother Osama, the title of this thread should be changed to "Historical proof of Mecca existence B.C." and insha'Allah perhaps will be a new findings.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Done, dear brother Idris.  May Allah Almighty bless you, akhi.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Idris]

As-Salam aleikum,

thank you dear brother Osama, I was thinking also that it will be better to preserve those images from being lost, exactly like you have made it with my previous images from the post concerning DSS corruption, remember ?

[Idris]

CD....



Reference: The Asatir: The Samaritan Book of the Secrets of Moses, together with the Pitron or Samaritan commentary and the Samaritan story of the death of Moses, introduction, translation and notes by M. Gaster, Ph.D. (London: The Royal Asiatic Society, 1927), p. 262.

As-Salam Aleikum again,

I forget to tell you that in the image above there is an error in writting: instead of "neading" read "reading", the same is with "nead" which stands of course for "read". and "preservad" for "preserved", but these spelling errors are not so much significant since every English reader should not have a problem to understand the text.

Take care, and salam
Ahmed (Poland, Warsaw)