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« on: January 23, 2017, 11:33:39 AM »
Surah 2:275 - Zaid text - Allathiina yaakuluunar-ribaa laa yaquumuun - "those that devour usury will not stand"

Mas'ud text - Allathiina yaakuluunar-ribaa laa yaquumuun yawmal qiyaamati - "those that devour usury will not stand IN THE RESURRECTION DAY."

Surah 5:89 (listed as 5:91 by Gilchrist) - Zaid text - Fasiyaamu thalaathati ayyaamin - "fast for three days"

Mas'ud text - Fasiyaamu thalaathati ayyaamin mutataabi'aatin - "fast for three SUCCESSIVE days"

Surah 6:153 - Zaid text - Wa anna haathaa siraatii - "Verily this is my path"

Mas'ud text - Wa haathaa siraatu rabbakum - "This is the path OF YOUR LORD"

Incidentally, the text of Ubayy ibn Ka'b also has this reading, except that the word rabbakum is replaced with rabbika.

Surah 33:6 - Zaid text - Wa azwaajuhuu ummahaatuhuu - "and his wives are their mothers"

Mas'ud text - Wa azwaajuhuu ummahaatuhuu wa huwa abuu laahum - "and his wives are their mothers AND HE IS THEIR FATHER."

The Ibn Ka'b text has these same words, but reverses the statements about Mohammed's wives being mothers and he being a father to the Muslim community, placing the statement about Mohammed first.


Yet, they are not. Samuel Green, in his work, The Different Arabic Versions of the Qur'an60, makes a note of many of the differences in reading between these two particular transmissions, some of which I will give below. Please note, the difference in ayat references are due to the difference in the numbering systems between the two Qur'ans, but they refer to the words in question from the same passages:

Surah 3:133 (Hafs) - wasaari'uu
Surah 3:133 (Warsh) - saari‘uu

Surah 2:140 (Hafs) - taquluna
Surah 2:139 (Warsh) - yaquluna

Surah 3:81 (Hafs) - ataytukum
Surah 3:80 (Warsh) - ataynakum

Surah 2:259 (Hafs) - nunshizuhaa
Surah 2:258 (Warsh) - nunshiruhaa

Surah 2:10 (Hafs) - yakdhibuuna
Surah 2:9 (Warsh) - yukadhdhibuuna

Surah 2:184 (Hafs) - ta'aamu miskiinin
Surah 2:183 (Warsh) - ta'aami masakiina

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2017, 02:58:26 PM »
Assalam alaikum

وروى ابن أبي حاتم، من حديث أبي بكر بن أبي مريم، عن ضمرة بن حبيب، عن ابن عبد الله بن مسعود، عن أبيه أنه كان يقرأ: « الذين يأكلون الربا لا يقومون إلا كما يقوم الذي يتخبطه الشيطان من المس يوم القيامة »

The first ayah is recited like this according a narration of unknown authenity not according to any text.



Some Orientalists are making a mountain out of a molehill through false assumptions on the basis of rare recitals of the Qur’an and have drawn self-conceived inferences from them.[1]

Muslims are united on their understanding that only such recitals of the Qur’an are reliable that fulfill three conditions, namely

1. The Particular recitals can be incorporated in ‘Uthmani script.

2. It should confirm to the rules of the Arabic Grammar.

3. It must have proof of the authentic uninterrupted transmission from the Holy Prophet (saw), or at least it must be popular among the scholars of Recitals.


Any Recitals lacking even one of these three conditions is termed “Rare Recital” and no one in the entire Ummah took it as reliable. A close look on “Rare Recitals” reveals that one or more of the following defects are present in them.

1. Sometimes that recital is totally innovated, just as recitals of Abdul Fadl Muhammad bin Ja’far Khuza’I that he has attributed to Imam Abu Hanifa. Darqutni and all other scholars have exposed them and declared that they are all innovated.[3]

2. Sometimes they have very weak precedents, just like the recitals of Ibn -us-Samifa and Abdus Samal or many of those recitals which Ibn Abi Dawud has attributed to different Companions and their followers in his Kitab-ul-Masahif.[4]

3. Sometimes precedent is correct but infact it is not the recitals of the Qur’an, but a Companions or his follower added one or more words during ordinary discourse as an explanation to some word of the Qur’an. Since Qur’an in its entire substance was uninterrupted and thousands of Huffaz were present in every period of time, there was no danger of actual addition in the original text due to additions of explanatory words.[5] Hence, such explanations were not considered objectionable. For example, it is reported[6] that Sa’ad bin Abi Waqqas read a verse (4:12) as;

وله أخ أو أخت من أم

Here the words من أم were an explanatory addition. Similarly it is reported[7] that Sayyidina ‘Uthman read a verse (3:104) like this;

ولتكن منكم أمة يدعون إلى الخير ويأمرون بالمعروف وينهون عن المنكر ، ويستعينون الله على ما أصابهم وأولئك هم المفلحون

In this the phrase; ويستعينون الله على ما أصابهم is exegetical addition because if it had been part of the Qur’an in 'Uthman’s recital, it must have been present in the transcriptions compiled by him. But this phrase is not to be found in any of his seven transcriptions.

There are many such examples found in Rare Recitals.

4. Sometimes it happened that certain recitals were abrogated in the last days of the Prophet’s life but some Companion who had already memorized it remained unaware of this act, hence he continued to recite it as he had learnt.[8] Because the other Companions knew that this had been abrogated they did not recite it not did they consider it to be correct recital anymore.

5. It appears from some Rare Recitals that probably some follower of Companions made a mistake in the recitation of the Qur’an quite unintentionally (as sometimes happens even with eminent Huffaz) and listener reported it as he had heard.[9]

Whatever “Rare Recitals” of the Qur’an have been reported; most come under one of the above five situations. Obviously, no question arises for accepting these Recitals as reliable. Consequently, the Ummah never relied on them in any age. That is why these recitals could not even become popular, nothing to say of their being uninterrupted. Hence the inferences drawn by the Orientalists on the basis of “Rare Recitals” that (God Forbid) differences exist in the text of the Qur’an, is such an unfounded and absurd idea that it deserves no consideration at all from scientific and research point of view. And Allah knows the best!

NOTE: Also useful will be a reading of a chapter from Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami's monumental work History of the Qur'anic Text from Revelation to Compilation. Download the book HERE and read Chapter 11: Causes of Variant Readings i.e. pp. 151-164

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2010/11/rare-recitals-of-quran-lies-of.html
Regarding warsh and other qiraaa'at, read this:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Qiraat/hafs.html


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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 12:52:09 AM »
Thank you so much :)
There is one more thing I would like to know ,
I read it somewhere in answering Islam that ibn sarh added something in the verse regarding embryology in the Qur'an and prophet Muhammad accepted it,they say maududi in his commentry also mentioned it,is it true ???

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 01:13:26 AM »
Thank you so much :)
There is one more thing I would like to know ,
I read it somewhere in answering Islam that ibn sarh added something in the verse regarding embryology in the Qur'an and prophet Muhammad accepted it,they say maududi in his commentry also mentioned it,is it true ???
You are welcome brother,
Did cAbdullâh Ibn Sâd Ibn Abî Sarh contribute to the Qur'ân? There is no factual proof for such a horrendous claim. The claim about Chapter 23 proved to be a fabrication because it was revealed before cAbdullâh Ibn Sâd Ibn Abî Sarh became a Muslim.
The Science of hadeeth is concerned with the reliability of the narrators based on their life and their moral values. That is why many people could compile many reports leaving the authentication procedure to the ones who followed them. In reality, if all the early scholars cared about authenticating every report they heard of, a lot of the material available today would be lost.

Unlike Muslims, some people, unaware of the Science of Hadîth and the "Knowledge of the Folk" when venturing into the Islamic references alone without a teacher, encounter great hardship digesting all the material available. Others, more wicked, use the same characteristic of the early references to lead innocent people astray. But, with God's help and protection, their dark plans are always unveiled.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Sarh/

 

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