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Offline adilriaz123

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Asalam ul laykum brothers, i was debating with someone on youtube who blames aisha ra of attacking ali ra, i want to know the real truth behind this issue and what is the absolute truth, i know that hypocrites have always attacked aisha even allah swt protected her and the verse came out regarding"confirming news that comes from a sinner." Plz brother osama i would appreciate if u can give me real facts about this topic.

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The reason for the Battle of Jamal,is because Marwan Ibn Haqams Politicians spread lies about 'Ali R.A in the muslims,one of those who fell into it was A'isha R.A,in the end of the Battle Aisha R.a understood her mistake and seeked forgiveness from Ali R.a,Unfortunately Shia's want you to believe that they love Ali R.A when instead they are doing shirk

The Messenger of Allah (saws) said in an authentic narration about Hadrat Ali (r.a.): You have the likeness of Isa ibn Maryam in my Ummah. The Christians loved him so much that they claimed he is the son of Allah, and the Jews hated him so much that they claimed to have killed him! In later years, Hadrat Ali (r.a.) used to say: Two kinds of people will be ruined on my account. One who loves me so much, that he will elevate me to a position of worship which does not rightfully belong to me; and the other will hate me so much that he will slander me.

And Allahu Alam

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Plz can u provide me with reference and links. I want to shut up the lying hypocrites, statement doesn't hold up in a dialogue without evidence. Thanks brother would appreciate it.

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

The whole rotten thing happened because Ali didn't become the first Caliph, as the Prophet commanded.  Ali was the Prophet's WAZEER like HARUN was the WAZEER to Moses.  And Ali was the SELF of Prophet Muhammad.  Peace be upon all of them.  Ali was the closest Muslim on earth to be an actual Prophet.  And Prophet Muhammad directly commanded the Muslims to have Ali be their WALI (ruler) after him.

Caliph Uthman was killed because Muslims thought he was robbing the Muslims' wealth and giving it to his family.  The reason they thought this is because he appointed only his close relatives to be the AMIRS among the Muslims.  So it was more like a dictatorship.  So he brought doubt upon himself, and unfortunately, evil roamers spread and caused for 20,000 Muslims to drive down from Iraq to go to him to Medina to kill him.  It must've been very horrible that this large army would walk this very long distance on foot to just go and kill Uthman!  If you want to think about this objectively and not emotionally.

Anyway, the Shias are wrong for being excessive about this history.  And many of them are polytheists for worshiping AHLUL BAYT as a result to the injustice that happened to Ali and his family, peace be upon them.  And the Shias rituals and religion as a whole is stupid, repulsive and obnoxious!  For more, please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1999.msg8251.html#msg8251
www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2286.msg10434.html#msg10434
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9019.html#msg9019
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9024.html#msg9024
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9048.html#msg9048
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/board,42.0.html


Take care,
Osama Abdallah



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Thank you so much brothers i am still going through all this info u have provided me, also i came across this info:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/battle-of-jamal-its-real-face/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon

Ibn Habban narrated in al-Thiqat that ‘Aisha wrote to Abu Musa al-Ash’ari and to ‘Ali in al-Kufa: “You have witnessed the events leading to the murder of ‘Uthman and I have decided to go and fix the matters between the people…”

وقال:أي أُمه، ما أشخصك وما أقدمك هذه البلدة؟ قالت: أي بنى، إصلاح بين الناس

‘Ali then sent al-Qa’qa’ ibn ‘Amr al-Tamimi to ‘Aisha and he said: “O mother, what brings you to these lands?” she said: “my son I have come to settle matters between the people.”

And after the war of al-Jamal ‘Ali told ‘Aisha:

فقاللها: غفر الله لك. قالت: ولك، ما أردت إلا الإصلاح

“May Allah forgive you” she said: “And you, I only wished to fix the affairs.”

As for the Shia who said that she went to rebel against ‘Ali and take the Caliphate for herself, that is a lie, she went to make reform by punishing the killers of Ameer al-Mumineen and she had a Mahram with her that is her sister’s son ‘Abdullah ibn al-Zubair, because going out to reconcile and fix the affairs of the people in the time of Fitnah is an order from Allah just like Hajj is an order. Another lie being spread is that al-Zubair forced her to go out but this is not true as this was her opinion even before al-Zubair and Talha came to Mecca, we read in the Hadith that when she was on her way back to Mecca:

عبدالله بن عامر الحضرمي فقال: ما ردك يا أم المؤمنين؟ قالت: ردّني أن عثمان قُتلمظلومًا، وأن الأمر لا يستقيم ولهذه الغوغاء أمر، فاطلبوا دم عثمان تعزُّواالإسلام. فكان عبد الله أول من أجابها

‘Aisha met ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amer al-Hadrami who said: “What brings you back O mother of believers?” she said: “What brings me back is that ‘Uthman was killed and he was innocent, the affair of the Muslims will not be fixed while these rebels run rampant, so ask for ‘Uthman’s blood to fortify Islam.” And ‘Abdullah was the first member of their army.

I have not come to full conclusion since i still need to go through throughly the links u brothers provided me. But so far it seems that this was a big misunderstanding and manipulation by a munafiks and hypocrites, such as ibn saib and jabalah.

Even though this was clear work of the hypocrites and the munafik jews who even the quran tells achieve great highets of evil and are the people who have great deal of hatred towards us, it seems that the shia want to use this situation to attack aisha ra, instead of blaming ibn saba and jabalah and rest of the hypocrites and munafiks. It is foolishbess from shias to think that we hate hazrat ali ra, when he was the 4th calipha and was always loved. In the twist of the shias i think they take out the name of ibn saba and blame it all on aisha ra, when they don't realize she is also considered ah lal byat(family of rasool raw). So there propaganda is very contridictory.

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It seems this is the ultimate comclusion that hazrat aisha ra, was tricked by ibn saba and jabalah and other hypocrites and munafiks. It is to bad that shia tend to attack hazrat aisha ra, umar farooq ra and so on... when it is clear that they all were part of ahlalbyat. It seems their hatred has caused them to contridict themselves. Also i do not understand why they keep holding on to the hadith that hazrat ali ra is like haroon as is to moses as. When in another hadith rasool saw said that if there had to be another prophet after rasool saw, it would have been umer farooq ra. But since rasool saw told umer farooq ra to not to lead the prayer and to have hazrat abu bakr saddiq do it. Proves that there was nothing wrong at all with the choice.

That abu bakr saddiq was indeed suppose to be the successor, since the person u lead the prayer at that is only suppose to be done by the leader of the ummah, and since rasool saw wanted abu bakr saddiq ra to do it, that clearly makes his succession legitimate.

Also what happen to the ummah later with the in fighting and crusades invading proves that it was our fault for thinking that those who were pointed were wrong but they weren't. All the infighting has caused allah swt to punish us with the crusades back then and now with what is going on today.

It seems rebelion was a big issue from the start.