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« on: April 26, 2017, 12:34:34 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 02:21:04 PM »
The Jewish writings from Talmud and others have remnants of Divine Revelations in them, or they simply referenced Divine Texts in their times that no longer exist today.  The Bible doesn't contain all of the Jews' writings.  There are many other writings that are outside the Bible, and the Bible itself references many books that are not in the Bible and don't exist today:

www.answering-christianity.com/lost_books.htm

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2017, 02:37:06 PM »
I got the refutation against those who claim that Quran has been plagi

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 02:38:24 PM »
Oh man i need to rewrite my points...

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 02:41:17 PM »
I got a refutation for those who claim the Quran is plagiarism from the Talmud but most of the article is written in Arabic & I've been waiting for 3 months for someone to translate this article into English!
Article link: http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13378

btw if someone translated the article i could start making videos again...!

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 01:30:50 AM »
Why don't u try some translating software ???

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 10:59:58 AM »
Their Crap
Why don't u try some translating software ???

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 11:53:30 AM »
I saw some body from Riyadh here (Albarra is suppose) request him to translate

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 12:06:13 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 12:20:58 PM »

(9) There are some similarities between ancient literature and the Bible , an example epic of Gilgamesh , which are similar in many of its details with the story of Noah 's flood in the Bible For more details please refer to this topic:
http://Http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t146562. html

there is the interpretation of two of the similarity of the epic of Gilgamesh with the story of the flood in the Bible although the epic of Gilgamesh the oldest of the Bible: the

first
that the writers of the Bible Aguetpsoa of the story of Gilgamesh and that the story of Noah in the Bible is the plagiarism of Gilgamesh , the

second
that the authors of the epic of Gilgamesh Bulghm more or less the story of Noah 's flood peace be upon him either by transmission of the generations of the story Or through the prophets , it is
important that they were known to have Vaguetpsoa including the Epic of Gilgamesh
and the story came again in the Bible by divine revelation

, Jews and Christians and Muslims would choose the second possibility

now to apply the same principle to any similarity between the Koran and the Jewish heritage of the Talmud and Alhajada and Apocrypha
we have two possibilities
first possibility
to be what in the Koran - ask forgiveness of God Almighty - transferred from the Jewish heritage of the
second possibility
that what in the Talmud and assented , the Koran is what he told them his prophets, but he did not write down between the covers of the Bible and handed down their scientists orally T Donoh in the Jewish heritage and
then came the news in the Holy Quran again inspired by God

and that we are in the strange case of the Bible and the Gilgamesh we find Christians assert that it remains of the possibility of prophecy
and in the case of the Qur'an we find them assert the possibility of transport !!!!
What you how you judge O Christians ??? !!!

This is with the mention of the Bible for some of the old books that we do not find in our hands today , such as travel things Solomon and the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel and the other which Christian says it is a historical and political books and is not alive and therefore we do not find today in our hands and will be seen more of this through the responses and discuss the various suspicions by permission God ,
why not say then , that some of what came from the stories in the books of the ancient Jews and Uagaha Koran may be true, this is of course next to contain myths are not out of her, the basic principle in our view , as Muslims , ancient books , whether legal when their owners or illegal are either to agree what came The Koran shall be a remnant of revelation and the remnants of the words of the apostles , who arrived to these books either orally or in writing or be contrary to the express Quran and Sunnah is of the human interventions that are unrelated to the revelation either did not come the mention of the Koran or the year it tolerate it and let history.

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(10) which can be any that Nstanjh from the previous point is that the inhibitor to be some of what came in the books of the Jewish heritage is a true roots either from the remnants of revelation or of the miracles of the immortal prophets , which have been frequent across generations , either verbally or in writing, and be these writings sources has been lost as lost travel (historical and political) cited by the Bible that this is true?

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(11) We note that the New Testament writers were quoting from the Apocrypha and Alhajada and specialists recognized in the Christian Jewish tradition
, and we'll show two examples here , God willing

The first example: Quote writer Jude from the Book of Enoch Alobokreva

We read in Judah , sanitation 1 14 -15

14 , prophesied of these Enoch also , the seventh from Adam , saying , Behold , the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints , 15 to execute judgment on everyone and punished all Fjaarham on all acts of debauchery , which blew out and all the difficult words spoken by him sinners Fajar.

To see the correspondence between the two texts (Jude and Enoch)
Enoch Ch1: 9
9 And reputation beyond repute! He , Cometh With the ten Thousands Of His Holy ones that
To execute the judgment - upon - All,
And To the destroy All The the ungodly:
And To Convict All Flesh
Of All The Works Of Hwy Ungodliness which is they 're Have the ungodly Committed,
And Of All The Hard Things which is the ungodly Sinners Have spoken against Him.
http://Http://www.thenazareneway.com/book_of_enoch.htm

Jude CH 1: 14-15
14 And Enoch Also, The From the seventh , Adam, Prophesied Of These, up saying, Behold, The ADONAY Cometh With the ten Thousands Of His saints . ,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/B65C001.htm

clear and terrible match in the texts !!!

Because of the previous quote
differed Christians in their books ,
some of them saw the Book of Enoch legal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
and of them Tertullian and may see it as indicated by paragraph Aloykebedea that the Jews refused to recognize the existence of the travel of Enoch prophecies which relate to Mr. Christ , peace be upon him ,
and so far is still recognized by the Ethiopian Church:

http://Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

while some of them refused to recognize the message of Judas because of a quote from the Book of Enoch and is illegal in their eyes:

Http: //en.wikipedia .org / wiki / Book_of_Enoch
here we ask Christians question:
How do you say that the book of Enoch travel Obokrevy while writer Jude quotes him as a legal inspired travel?
Come see the answer Christians
http://holy-bible-1.com/articles/display/10298/ajax
and what concerns us from their answer is:

and understand the answer to the Christians the following
first
that there are true things in the Jewish tradition was not recorded in the Bible
Second
, the apocryphal book , and also make sense of the Talmud and Alhajada Aguetpsoa correct things from the Jewish tradition and built by legends
now comes our role to ask them
what inhibitor to be stated in the Qur'an agree to the Apocrypha and the Talmud and Alhajada is what is true where, not legends and myths Jews?

Second example: the quotation of the names of Pharaoh's magicians Jewish heritage of others written in the Bible
Paul says in his second letter to Timothy: 3
(8 as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses , so do these also resist Alhak.anas of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.)
If our search in the whole Bible we do not find any mention of Jannes and Jambres withstood them
, but we find mentioned only in Alhajada stories
Sahran of Pharaoh 's magicians appeared at the mentioned throwing incident Aaron his stick , which has become a living and making Jannes and Jambres withstood like him with their batons and mocked him.
Jannes and Jambres, the sons of Balaam , derided Moses, saying, "Ye carry straw to Ephrain!" whereto Moses answered, "To the place of many vegetables, thither carry vegetables."
They mentioned also when the children of Israel crossing the sea:
Among The Egyptians Were The the two- by arch Magicians Jannes And Jambres. They made wings for themselves, with which they flew up to heaven. They also said to Pharaoh: "If God Himself hath done this thing, we can effect naught. But if this work has been put into the hands of His angel, then we will shake his lieutenants into the sea." They proceeded at once to use their magic contrivances, whereby they dragged the angels down.

Among the Egyptians Jannes and Jambres withstood Alsahran. They made for themselves wings and flew into the sky. They said to Pharaoh: If God himself is doing this we are but
if this work has been developed between the hands of the angels will we throw to the sea aides. They began immediately in the use of magic pulled their games where the angels down.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj303.htm
and so understand how Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses , call
and here it is clear how the New Testament writers, led by Paul were considered sacred Alhajadih stories true stories in which no doubt and take them lessons, and not just myths claim as Christians
and to see exponents of the testimony of Scripture from the transfer of names of the Jewish tradition
says Tadros Malty:

with many thanks to the virtuous sister Abida and beloved brother ang
and for more details please check
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb /t179590.html
and also with many thanks to the atheists who said similar words about the quotation from the new Testament writers Alhajada when he also fought in the quote The alleged Qur'an came from the Talmud Christians and transferred them for quoting the Koran partial of the Talmud and forgotten the New Testament quotation Alhajada !!!!!!


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Re: Need refutation
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 12:21:44 PM »
Its google ... :D

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 01:01:31 PM »
Thank you but i done this before it's atleast 30-40% inaccurate btw can you make a refutation on this video thank you! :)
Video which needs to get refuted, link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty_2G_esUvI
Its google ... :D

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 01:17:05 PM »
Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work...(Wikipedia)....

"Stealing and publication" does not include the
affirmation of that book,
mentioning the name of the book
request to acknowledge that book

One who plagiarizes would never mention the source

The one who steals would never do so, but when the author is same, he would affirm the previous editions, he would like the acknowledgment of his other books, he would mention the names as well...

See and realize yourself whats the case, Different authors stealing each others work, wanting to hide their plagiarism OR same Entity who has sent the Books which He wants to be acknowledged, but the books which were forged by the corrupts, so He sent the final version and saved it....

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 03:19:26 PM »
ok how can i contact & where is he now?
I saw some body from Riyadh here (Albarra is suppose) request him to translate

 

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