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Offline muslimforever2012

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2017, 12:10:00 PM »
OK I am nearly finished in refuting the charges but I am stuck in one thing. Can you help me in refuting
 
OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER (OCD)
SCHIZOPHRENIA
PARANOID PERSONALITY DISORDER
BIPOLAR DISORDER

sorry for the caps I copy pasted.

What? I don't get it. Does Islam mention about disorders?

Sorry forgot to clarify. Sina accused Muhammad of having these disorders. I can show you his ''evidence'' if you want.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2017, 04:51:00 PM »
muslimforever2012,

Yes, show me please.

Offline AhmadFarooq

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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2017, 08:09:08 PM »
Having Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) isn't exactly a damaging accusation. Millions of people in the world have it. Around 1% of the population are found to be going through this disorder. In most cases, OCD makes life difficult only for the person suffering from it and have absolutely no effect on the people that surround him. It requires discipline and is a credit to the person who can live normally while suffering from OCD.

Regarding "Generally, women are less intelligent than men".
This is not a scientific fact. Many studies have been done on the subject and there have consistently been variable results. Some had men at higher intelligence while some had women. Some later studies, however, saw no significant difference. One consistent difference has been that men have better spatial abilities and women have better spatial memory. Another has been the observation that men have more variability, i.e. more men are found to be at the top and bottom of the charts, while women remain more in the middle.

Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_intelligence

What exactly does intelligence have to do with being president? Can you honestly regard a post that Donald Trump now occupies as an indication of high intelligence? Becoming president requires better political opportunities and women have historically, for whatever reason, not been able to gain them.

Similarly, being involved in higher paying jobs is also not proof of which gender is more intelligent. A significant reason that men end up in higher paying jobs is that women much more often choose their families over their work while men are more likely to prefer their careers and paying opportunities over their families.

Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/women-more-often-choose-family-over-work/433029/

Additionally, if I remember a source correctly, women prefer to work in jobs which involve interaction with other people (like nursing, waitresses, hostesses) which usually pay less. On the other hand, men prefer work involving high involvement of machines (like engineering jobs) which happen to be generally better paying.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2017, 06:25:00 AM »

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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2017, 07:37:08 AM »
First of all just because a person might suffer some obsessions related to OCD, does not mean that he suffers from all of them. If a person feels obsessively compelled to wash again and again it does not naturally conclude that he also suffers from "disturbing sexual or religious thoughts" or "feelings of fear, disgust and doubt". If what you have mentioned above is all the evidence that Sina has put up regarding OCD, then it becomes easy to prove that Sina is trying to prove Prophet Muhammad being obsessed with remaining clean or washing (which has hardly anything wrong with it) and very maliciously and fallaciously link that to "disturbing sexual or religious thoughts".

Furthermore, if the entirety of the "proof" of Prophet Muhammad's alleged OCD consists only of "washing three times" then this accusation is pretty much easily refuted. The fact is that, washing three times in ablution is not obligatory. It is the recommended approach but not compulsory.

"Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The Muslims are unanimously agreed that what is obligatory is to wash each part once, and that washing each part three times is Sunnah."

What is really damning evidence against the OCD allegation is that according to the recorded narrations Prophet Muhammad varied the number of times he washed each part.

"There are saheeh ahaadeeth which mention washing each part once, and each part three times, and washing some parts three times, some two times and some once."

This variation, depending on the severity of the disorder, is hell for a person suffering from OCD. A lot of times it is extremely disturbing, if not entirely impossible, for an OCD person to vary their routines. This causes much frustration in the person and in some cases such persons might even feel like losing their sanity. Such variation is very solid evidence supporting the fact that the person does not suffer from OCD, at least not presently.

Reference source: https://islamqa.info/en/72450

Offline AhmadFarooq

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2017, 08:09:14 AM »
Furthermore:

- "... or the belief that certain activities have to be done just so..."

This part of the definition of OCD combined with the recorded narrations regarding how the Prophet varied his ablution is quite strong evidence against the OCD claim. In a way, Sina himself provided the means to disprove his own allegations.

- "... was fixated with number three."

And yet only one of the five daily prayers involve three units. Not to mention the fact that the most repeated activity of the Salat, the Sajdah (prostration) is done in groups of two.

"There are many rituals that Muslims are required to perform three times."

Obviously, not as many as Sina thinks. By-the-way are there any "rituals that Muslims are required to perform three times"?

- "There is no logical explanation for it..."

Well, apparently not any that Sina would understand, or would want to understand. Washing three times naturally ensures better and more reliable cleaning.

- "Declare the intention that the act is for the purpose of worship."

Yes, positively deciding or making up your mind to perform some action, how very obsessively compulsive of a person!

- "Wipe the whole head or any part of it with a wet hand once. Wipe the inner sides of the ears ... Wipe around the neck with wet hands."

Apparently, Sina was unaware of the non-obligatory custom of washing each of these parts three times too.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2017, 06:28:17 AM »
Thanks AhmadFarooq.

As for the ''evidence'' of schizophrenia, here it is:

''Schizophrenia is the disease of thought disorder of inappropriate emotions and
of inappropriate attribution of things. It is a disease of cognitive abnormalities and
abnormal sequential thoughts.
Auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech
and thinking are some of the symptoms of Schizophrenia. There are also signs of
and symptoms associated with impaired occupational or social function. The
symptoms typically occur in young adulthood and last a lifetime.''

Apart from one trip Muhammad made to Syria as the amin (trustee) of
Khadijah, he did not engage in any occupation. He was also withdrawn and used to spend his days in a cave alone. This satisfies the criterion of impaired occupational
and social function. Prior to his prophetic enterprise, Muhammad was a loner. His
only occupation before marrying Khadijah was herding family goats, where
interaction with others was kept to minimum. At one point, when he tried to act like
a normal youth and sneaked into a wedding party, he felt dizzy and was weighed
down by excruciating spasms.

As per above, the story of magic being worked out on Muhammad making him
believe he had sexual intercourse with his wives when he did not, and his claim that
he saw two men standing over him and discussing his condition as narrated by
Aisha (quoted in the previous chapter), are enough to diagnose Muhammad with
Schizophrenia. Another clue to his delusional thinking is his claim that two men in
white threw him on the ground, pulled out his heart and after washing it with snow
replaced it without leaving any scar.

End of quote.

I tried looking everywhere for ways to debunk this, but I couldn't.

Offline Sama

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2017, 07:17:12 AM »
Salam alaikum
One cause of visual,auditory or command hallucinations is Schizophrenia but logically the man of a balanced ,leading and victorious personality could not be a schizophrenic.
Diagnostic Criteria of schizophrenia:
https://rebuttaltounderstandingmuhammad.wordpress.com/2014/09/30/refuting-hallucinations-and-seizures/

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2017, 07:49:45 AM »

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2017, 10:07:44 AM »
While searching-islam.com remains offline, for the time being, you can make use of https://search.islamwiki.org/ to search most of the online Muslim websites where refutations to such allegations are often times already been published.

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2017, 11:19:20 AM »
While searching-islam.com remains offline, for the time being, you can make use of https://search.islamwiki.org/ to search most of the online Muslim websites where refutations to such allegations are often times already been published.

Thanks for the link.

I use this one: http://bemuslims.weebly.com/muslims-search-engine.html

Offline muslimforever2012

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2017, 01:27:34 PM »
Assalamu Alaikum everyone!

I just wanted to inform you that the 11 accusations are finished! Before I continue writing the book and exposing Sina, I want you to see the book so that you can give me suggestions, correcting mistakes,etc. Anyways, here's the link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzWbzcKrUFb0b1lGRG96Vnpaa0U

Thanks to everyone who helped!

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2017, 05:28:25 PM »
Jazakum Allahu khaira  :)

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2017, 10:40:16 AM »
There was a psychiatrist called Frank r freeamon who rebutted the accusation of schizophrenia saying schizophrenic person is anti social while prophet was highly social

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Re: Ali Sina's book needs refutation
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2017, 10:46:15 AM »
Bro do some more refutation on TLE part of the book
I have read it most of it is childish he related some incidents evaluate them deeply and thus u will be able to refute them

 

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