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Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« on: June 04, 2017, 04:02:13 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents from 10s of false messiahs and prophets at the time.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#paul
www.answering-christianity.com/pauls_delusions.htm



Christian theologians have thoroughly demonstrated that 10s of false messiahs and prophets emerged SHORTLY AFTER JESUS:

www.answering-christianity.com/false_christs_shortly_after_jesus.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 06:47:39 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

The following article is now considerably much bigger:

www.answering-christianity.com/false_christs_shortly_after_jesus.htm

Also, ample more points and verses were added to this article:

www.answering-christianity.com/pauls_delusions.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 05:48:00 PM »

This topic is the first thing Allah brought to my attention before taking Shahada, from the Mt. 24:23 prophecy, "DO NOT believe them (false prophets in his name claiming to have seen him in the wilderness or in secret, i.e. a desert road on the way to Damascus with no witnesses or the claimed revelations Paul speaks of to assert authority) with the admission of lying, "If through my falsehoods God's glory abounds...why am I being judged a sinner", the advocating, in the absence of "weak brothers" who observe the Divine food laws actually stated near verbatim by the Qur'an and James/Yakov and verbally agreed to by Paul in Acts,  eating meat sacrificed to idols, because, "An idol is nothing" and only if the brothers from James are present should one then refrain, i.e. don't get caught...

His 'shout outs to "Kinsman" of Herod the tetrarch, including his foster brother, and a member of the royal house one "Herodion", his allegiance to Rome is not hard to spot as right before he is apparently set up for assassination some 400 soldiers are alleged to have rescued him where he becomes a Jew hating collaborater and vents his frustrations about his rejection by "all those who are in Asia" and his last remaining friend Luke, maybe.

Luke it seems has no issue making Paul seem like a liar who was also subservient to the Apostles, and ineligible to be one, with Peter being chosen "By God" to be Apostle to the Gentiles.

All this makes more sense when the Greek and Syriac, Latin too, circa 4th century in Greek, 411 AD in Syriac (older than oldest Peshitta by 50 years), is read.

A true "Apocryphon" that state's itself it is to be kept secret in the Greek version, the oldest and best, which rivals Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus in age, it parodies Paul as Simon Magus, is considered "Ebionitic" in content by scholars as such, and it is clear why, as Paul was despised by them, and they were of the belief "This day I have begotten thee" was stated (in agreement with ancient MSS of Luke) at his baptism making him figuratively the "son" of God, quoting David from Psalms.

The fact that they resembled Islam has not gone unnoticed by scholars, is gaining momentum, especially since they rejected the claims of Paul and reification of Isa (as), and Paul is either a nobody to Muslims or despised, and I could see the few believing Nazara mentioned in the Qur'an, and Ahadith by number I think, could easily have been descended from.

Even the Epistles of James, 2 Peter and Jude, as well as Revelation (teaching of Balaam and idol meat, false apostles routed out, 12 Apostles in New Jerusalem, Tarsus equaling 666 in gematria) have polemics against Paul and James is the most obvious but 2 Peter calling his writing hard to understand could be translated "nonsensical" and the fact that they lead people astray more logical for beloved "brother (read: layman, not a messenger of God or Apostle of Isa (as)) Paul."

The funniest thing is the most famous quote of Paul, rendered impossible if "Satan can not oppose Satan" as a divided Kingdom can't stand, is that "No wonder, even Satan appears as an angel of light." is actually about the 12 Apostles of Christ, called "False Apostles", "Workers of Satan."

1 Corinthians 8, Paul approves of eating idol meat, and is a polemic against the decree of the Jerusalem Council where Paul agrees to not teach this.

Revelation 2:14 Teaching itself condemned by Isa (as), proof it is IMPOSSIBLE for his teachings to be from God or Isa (as).

This is proof positive that Paul is the prophecied, arrived "false prophet" and confirmation he is the false apostle of Revelation, what could refute such clear proof?

2 Corinthians 11 is after, at 9-10 where he discusses the Jerusalem saints, feels the need to defend his ministry at 10, at 11 they have become (about their good works) "Boasters, false apostles, deceitful workers disguised as Apostles of Christ.  And no wonder! Even Satan..."

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 05:51:25 PM »
I meant to say Homiles of Clement of Rome in Greek and Syriac when discussing the book from 411 AD in Syriac that is older than Peshitta by 50 years, etc.

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 07:24:15 PM »
Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Al-Ghazali.  Very good points, akhi.  I will use them, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 01:49:02 PM »
Assalamualaikum brother Osama,


Those quotes may be useful...

https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/component/content/article/1-jwo/294-collection-of-paul-criticisms.html

This gentleman is from whom I learned "Hard to understand ", from 2 Peter about the letters of Paul, is translated in Church father Lucian "nonsensical."

Why then is it not translated thus in 2 Peter?

Rhetorical question as obviously if nonsensical was used it would make clear the statement is a reproach, subtle though it is it'd be much less so.

But this man also believes Isaiah's condemnation of the King of Babylon, Helel son of Shachar(can mean Venus, lie, and is not talking about the fall of Satan) actually refers to Satan, as well as Ezekiels King of Tyre.

Modern exegetes, Jewish, Christian alike, are more than aware this is poor exegesis, Judaism has never believed these verses to be referring to the fall of Satan.

He actually believes that this fall of Satan happened during some point after the Torah, in the time of the Prophetic writings, that Satan in Job had yet to fall, though his role in Job hasn't changed.

The fact that his rejection of Paul has not led him to Islam makes me suspicious. If the NT is tainted by Paul, it is unfit to base a religion on leaving him with no reliable scripture, to rely on a corrupt, Pauline influenced Gospel, whether he rejects Paul or not this can't be changed.

If he would learn Islam he could then discern truth from falsehood in the Gospels, not just Paul.

Has he not noticed the Universal epistles don't mention crucifixion? Unless I am mistaken it appears he hasn't.

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 01:51:58 PM »
Assalamualaikum brother Osama,


Those quotes may be useful...

https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/component/content/article/1-jwo/294-collection-of-paul-criticisms.html

He is a good source for what you say he is, no question.

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 03:43:55 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I am going to use it soon in my articles above, insha'Allah.  There is also another link about Paul that was recommended before, which I will also use, insha'Allah.

Jazakum Allah Khayr.

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Osama Abdallah

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 12:58:21 PM »
Ghazali,

"But this man also believes Isaiah's condemnation of the King of Babylon, Helel son of Shachar(can mean Venus, lie, and is not talking about the fall of Satan) actually refers to Satan, as well as Ezekiels King of Tyre."

Which man are you talking about? Lucian? Or Douglas the author? Can you give the title of the Article about Helel?

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 01:15:15 PM »


I meant the man who wrote "Jesus words only" was from whom I learned the word translated "Hard to understand" that leads men astray (not possible if really Word of God) in 2 Peter referring to the letters of Paul is in Lucian translated "nonsensical" in reference to some false prophet.

Which is the sense used by 2 Peter, made less obvious by the translation as it stands in in English.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 01:36:39 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I am going to use it soon in my articles above, insha'Allah.  There is also another link about Paul that was recommended before, which I will also use, insha'Allah.

Jazakum Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Brother Osama, I recommend reading the "Memoirs of Edessa" and the early Syriac literature like doctrine of Addai which the translators of were baffled by the lack of mention of Paul,  who is denied his New Testament alleged accomplishments, recognition or acknowledgement of his letter.

They actually could not find a better rationalization than to say that "zMedieval interpokations" of an ante Nicene work the cause.

But who in that era was anti-Pauline on record?

Nobody. It's pure conjecture, as possibly the biggest fan of Syriac Apocryphal around I easily can connect it to my H&R of Clement of Rome, an Italian, so my kinsman, and right hand man to Simon Kepha, an ally  of the Jerusalem faction, being why I am so fond of his writings.

Will send a link to the whole genre, and share my exegetical conclusions, but most noticeable to me is these scholars could not see the etymological connection between Abgar(Akbar) the King of Edessa, an Ishmaelite, and it's so obvious the literature is from the earliest of times as it mentions nothing of any epistles of Paul, and they used the Diatessaron, what we know if as Apocrypha.

If anything was interpolated it was the mere mention, no more, of Paul, stating he was in agreement with the 12, absurdities abound in the footnotes, comical at times, and ignorant at others.

It may have been translated 100 or so years ago, but they act oblivious to the facts, and when Peter is said to precede Paul in and have full authority over all the cities laid claim to Paul, again it's because of interpolation or just wrong, they pick and choose based on their already formed conclusions and can't accept the supremacy of the Apostles, are really in denial of the fact Paul isn't just because Paul alone makes said claim.

Which Tertullian disputed against Marcion, calling Paul the Apostle to the heretics who has no testimony to support his (obvious lies).

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 01:48:08 PM »

It must have been written before Rome subjugated Syria, as these Syrians/Edessans have nothing to say of Paul much more than he was a member of the church, certainly nobody important in 1st, 2nd century Syria.

Later writing call Marcionites Christians, Syrian Nazare, "Messianists'' making me wonder if Antioch is alleged to be the origin of the term, if it was talking only about Pauline/Marcionites Christianity and yet another fast one pulled on the uneducated laymen and theologian alike, who don't really regard anything non Pauline as relevant to theology, live and die by Paul's, not the Nozrim/Ebionites.

A lone moment of honesty is the mention that "Hebrew Christians" badmouthed Paul. But this is an attempt only to explain the absence of importance of the heretics apostle in so early a work featuring the real Apostles, so only incidental, not truly honest.

The fact is Paul was a rogue and Apocrypha isn't needed to prove that, still it does though

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 02:12:45 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents from 10s of false messiahs and prophets at the time.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac6.htm#paul
www.answering-christianity.com/pauls_delusions.htm



Christian theologians have thoroughly demonstrated that 10s of false messiahs and prophets emerged SHORTLY AFTER JESUS:

www.answering-christianity.com/false_christs_shortly_after_jesus.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

After Asr I will comment on my observations, I read this today, own the Kitab, Ante Nicene Fathers series vol. 8.

www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/008/index

You will probably enjoy this as a literature, but it's a large book. You need to scroll down to Memoirs from Edessa, I can't help but notice that the ability to translate is not akin to being an good or honest exeget, as so much sophistry is employed to gloss over uncomfortable truth, like that as Paul admitted, "All who are in Asia have turned away from me."

Which is recommended in the literature for people fitting Paul's description. Harsh standards, literal Apocryphons were needed to evade his failed treachery, later Rome had to do some serious damage control to give Paul the prominence he doesn't deserve, but enjoys regardless today, like rewriting Lukes Acts, rejected far better books on account of being too Jewish oriented, forged Epistles, and outright denial of the obvious claim to legitimacy, and superiority of Yakov, Simon, Yohan, and the rest of the 12, their Ebionim/Nozrim successors, rejection by.

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Re: Paul was a rodent from an infestation of rodents
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 02:17:20 PM »
I got the link wrong.

www.sacred-texts.com/ecf/008/index.htm

Sorry