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hafs recitation of quran is false??
« on: June 18, 2017, 11:16:53 AM »
guys i just saw some things written about hafs ibn suyman, who tranmitted to us the most used qiraat of the quran today, and he is called a liar and weak etc.

Al-Bukhari: “They (scholars) rejected him”

Muslim: “Rejected”

Al-Nisai: “Rejected” and “Not reliable, and his narrations are not written”

Ibn Hanbal, as reported by Ibn Abi Hatim through Abdullah: “His narrations are rejected”

Ibn Hanbal, as reported by Al-Dhahabi: “Yahya Al-Qattan narrated to me: Shu’bah mentioned Hafs ibn Sulayman and said that he used to take people’s books and eradicated them, he took his books and never returned it.”

Ibn Mu’in: “Not reliable” and, as related by Al-Saji, “Hafs and Abu Bakr (ibn Ayyash) were the most knowledgeable of people on the qira’ah of Asim, and Hafs’ recitation was better than Abu Bakr’s, but he was a liar and Abu Bakr was truthful”

Al-Darqutni: “Weak”

Ibn Hajr: “His hadeeth are rejected, despite that he is a leader in qira’ah”

Abu Hatim: “Rejected, he was not truthful”

Ibn Kharash: “Liar, fabricated hadeeth”

Ibn Uday: “Generally his ahadeeth are not protected”

Ibn Hibban: “He changed the chains of transmission, and fabricated chains for those that were mursal, and he used to take people’s books and eradicated them, and narrated them without having heard them.”

Ibn Al-Madini: “His hadeeth are weak”

Salih ibn Mohammad: “His hadeeth are not written, and all his hadeeth are objectionable”

Al-Saji: “He narrated from Sammak and others unfounded hadeeth”

Abu Zar’ah: “His hadeeth are weak”

how can he then be our best reciter of the quran if he is a liar and forger?

jazakallah khair for the answers

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Re: hafs recitation of quran is false??
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 08:46:08 PM »
His HADITH are weak,not his recitation.

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Re: hafs recitation of quran is false??
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2020, 02:17:28 PM »
1-Ibn Kharrash accused him, he said:
كذاب متروك يضع الحديث
[Liar, his narrations are abandoned, a fabricator.]
Ibn Kharrash is `Abdul-Rahman bin Yusuf bin Kharrash, he is a Rafidhi.
From his students is ibn `Uqdah who is also a Rafidhi.
The author of Lisan al-Meezan says about him:
بعد هذا فما انتفع بعلمه فلا عتب على حمير الرافضة
[After this, he never benefited from his knowledge, but there is no reproach for the donkeys of the Rafidhah.]
And this Rafidhi’s opinions are rejected as the Rafidhah themselves are liars, and this man weakened narrations  such as “We do not give inheritance, all we leave behind is Sadaqah.”   Although it is authentic and with many chains, he accused one of the  main reliable narrators (Malik bin Uways) of fabricating it, so he is a  hypocrite.

2- They reported from Ibn Ma`een that he said:
كان حفص بن سليمان وأبو بكر بن عياش من أعلم الناس بقراءة عاصم وكان حفص أقرأ من أبي بكر وكان أبو بكر صدوقا وكان حفص كذابا
[Hafs bin Sulayman and Abu Bakr bin  `Ayyash were the most knowledgeable of people in the recitation of  `Asim, Hafs was better than Abu Bakr at it but Abu Bakr was trustworthy  and Hafs was a liar.]
The one who narrated the above is Ibn  Mihraz Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Baghdadi and he is from the weaker  students, so what he reports is not acceptable if it conflicts with the  major students of the man.
As for the reliable and best students of  ibn Ma`een such as `Uthman bin Sa`eed al-Darimy and abu Qudamah  al-Sarkhasi, they reported from him that he said:
ليس بثقة
[Not relied upon.]
In Tareekh Baghdad we read from the reliable narrators the following:
علي بن الحسين بن حيان قال وجدت في كتاب  أبي بخط يده قال أبو زكريا يعني يحيى بن معين زعم أيوب بن متوكل قال أبو  عمر البزاز أصح قراءة من أبي بكر بن عياش وأبو بكر أوثق من أبي عمر
[`Ali bin al-Husayn bin Hayyan said: I  found in my father’s book, in his own handwriting that he said: abu  Zakariyah Yahya bin Ma`een, Ayyub bin al-Mutawakkil stated, abu `Umar  al-Bazzaz (Hafs) has better recitation than Abu Bakr bin `Ayyash, and  Abu Bakr is more reliable than abu `Umar.]
الليث بن عبيد أنه قال : سمعت يحيى بن  معين يقول : أبو عمر البزاز صاحب القراءة ليس بثقة ، هو أصح قراءة من أبي  بكر بن عياش ، وأبو بكر أوثق منه
[al-Layth bin `Ubayd that he said: I  heard Yahya bin Ma`een say: abu `Umar al-Bazzaz (Hafs) is a man of  recitation, not reliable, his recitation is better than Abu Bakr bin  `Ayyash, and Abu Bakr is more reliable.]
So notice how there is no mention of him saying “Liar”.

3- If, for the sake of the argument, we would accept Ibn  Mihraz narration from Ibn Maieen, which is NOT authentic;
Lying in the (Arabic) language may refer to "the error".
 Ibn Hibban - may God have mercy on him - said: “And the people of Hijaz call the error a lie.” [13] Ibn Hajar said in the tarjamah of Bard Mawla Saeed bin Al-Musayyib: "Ibn Habban" said in "Al-Thiqat": "Some of the thiqat (trustworthy) can make mistakes and the people of Al-Hijaz call the error a lie", I said: - That is, Ibn Hajar -: This means the words of his master: Do not lie to me, as Ikrama lied to Ibn Abbas - may God be pleased with them. [14]

Lane's lexicon:



فالكذب في اللغة قد يطلق على الخطأ قال ابن حبان – رحمه الله - :" وأهل الحجاز يسمون الخطأ كذباً "[13] وقال ابن حجر في ترجمة برد مولى سعيد بن المسيب :" قال ابن حبان في الثقات :" كان من الثقات كان يخطيء ، وأهل الحجاز يسمون الخطأ كذباً ، قلت : - أي ابن حجر - : يعني قول مولاه : لا تكذب علي كما كذب عكرمة على ابن عباس – رضي الله عنهما " [14].
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انظر على سبيل المثال تاج العروس للزبيدي ولسان العرب لابن منظور وتهذيب اللغة للأزهري وغيرها
قال ابن منظور رحمه الله تعالى في لسان العرب 1/709 : وفي حديث صلاة  الوتر كذب أبو محمد ( رضي الله تعالى عنه ) أي أخطأ ؛ سماه كذبا لأنه يشبهه  في كونه ضد الصواب كما أن الكذب ضد الصدق ، وإن افترقا من حيث النية  والقصد لأن الكاذب يعلم أن ما يقوله كذب ، والمخطىء لا يعلم ، وهذا الرجل  ليس بمخبر ، وإنما قاله باجتهاد أداه إلى أن الوتر واجب ، والاجتهاد لا  يدخله الكذب وإنما يدخله الخطأ ، وأبو محمد ( رضي الله عنه ) صحابي واسمه  مسعود بن زيد .
وقد استعملت العرب الكذب في موضع الخطأ ، وأنشد بيت الأخطل : كذبتك  عينُك أم رأيت بواسط ٍ , وقال ذو الرمة : وما في سمعه كذب , وفي حديث عروة ،  قيل له : إن ابن عباس ( رضي الله عنهما ) يقول إن النبي صلى الله عليه  وسلم لبث بمكة بضع عشرة سنة ، فقال : كذب ، أي أخطأ .
ومنه قول عمران لسمرة ( رضي الله تعالى عنهما ) حين قال : المغمى عليه  يصلي مع كل صلاة صلاة ً حتى يقضيها ، فقال : كذبتَ ولكنه يصليهن معا ، أي  أخطأت َ .انتهى من لسان العرب----


4- All the scholars and Imams of Rijal  and Hadith, such as al-Hakim, ibn `Adi, ibn al-Jawzi, al-Bayhaqi, abu  Hatim, abu Zur`ah, Ahmad bin Hanbal, al-Nasa’ee, al-Jawzajani, ibn  Hajar, al-Dhahabi, al-Saji, ibn al-Madeeni, al-Bukhari ect…
When they talked about Hafs’s narrations  they said that he was either acceptable or weak or abandoned or  unreliable or that they avoided writing what he narrates, not one of  them said the man was a liar or fabricator.
https://www.twelvershia.net/2013/12/04/quran-has-a-shia-chain-of-transmission/
https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/314071/criticism-of-hafs-as-a-weak-reporter-of-hadeeth

In conclusion;
It is established that he  is weak in narration and this is agreed upon,
As for him being a liar or fabricator, this is not accepted.
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Re: hafs recitation of quran is false??
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2020, 10:49:48 PM »
Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Sama.  Great research akhi.  I have also uploaded your image and relinked it.  Also, the following links and video thoroughly prove Hafs is the correct and most accurate recitation of the Glorious Quran using many Hadiths:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/hafs.pdf
www.answering-christianity.com/hafs.mp4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZthEjA1pwHI


I have linked brother Sama's response to the article above.  And just to clarify for the reader, a "Rafidhi" is a shia.  Shias are a satanic cult that is hell bent on corrupting Islam with their lies and blasphemies.  Ample videos and articles are shown here:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah