question to osama abdallah

[H.]

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Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Hani,

Everything is possible, akhi.  But I don't take narrations outside the Glorious Quran to be worthy of any trust, or to be solid proofs on the level of the Quran, especially when:

1-  The world did not witness the moon splitting.  Not only that, but only very few people witnessed it:

www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm

This by itself makes the claim ridiculous!  Half the earth's population witnesses the moon every evening and every night and every early morning.


2-  The narrations about the other Miracles are not from the Glorious Quran, and their narrations are weak.


I do not need these physical Miracles.  Muhammad is not a True Prophet because he cured Qatada's eye.  I would never accept these narrations as undeniable evidence, especially when their chains are all weak.  If Islam was all about that type of narration, like the Bible, then I would've been today an agnostic person.  Only the Glorious Quran is the undeniable evidence.

The Glorious Quran is the Miracle.  Islam's Miracle isn't about splitting the sea in half with a stick, or turning a stick into a live snake like Moses, peace be upon him, did.  These are Miracles that were far from being for all times, because they could not be proven.  They require blind faith today.  I believe in them because they're in the Glorious Quran.  The Glorious Quran's Miracle is the Glorious Quran Itself, in Its Textual Miracles, and Scientific and Numerical Miracles. 




The Glorious Quran's Miracles:

Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[QuranSearchCom]

And to the infidels of the advanced age today, I say to them that only the Glorious Quran can take you HEAD ON in your own game and thoroughly defeat you with logic and ample scientific and numerical proofs.  That's the Holy Quran.  It was made for us today!  No other book comes anywhere near that.  Plain and simple.  Again, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[A proud Muslim]

Muhammad is not a True Prophet because he cured Qatada's eye. 

What is this, brother Osama?

[QuranSearchCom]

I was referring to the weak and fabricated texts on the Prophet, and not the merits and Miracles of the Prophet himself.  This was the context, brother.  In other words, the text might say:

"Prophet Muhammad spoke with his donkey, Yafoor, and the donkey said that he is from best of the donkies, because all of his family tree had Prophets sit on them."

There is actually a text that says this.  I don't believe in these stories.  They are BS and fabrications.  This is what I meant to say.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for helping me clarify it.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[H.]

Salam

Osama you said the story is ridiculous cus only so many people witnessed it, and that you dont trust 100% things outside of the quran. So how do you deal with the verse in the quran which says the earth was split?

Quran 54:1 1. The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder ( sahih international translates it as: moon has split, and others like pickthall, muhsin khan say cleft asunder )

2. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."

3. They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time.

4. There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them),

5. Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.

6. Therefore, (O Prophet,) turn away from them. The Day that the Caller will call (them) to a terrible affair,

7. They will come forth,- their eyes humbled - from (their) graves, (torpid) like locusts scattered abroad,

8. Hastening, with eyes transfixed, towards the Caller!- "Hard is this Day!", the Unbelievers will say.

9. Before them the People of Noah rejected (their apostle): they rejected Our servant, and said, "Here is one possessed!", and he was driven out.

10. Then he called on his Lord: "I am one overcome: do Thou then help (me)!"

These verses seem to clesrly indiacte that the moon was solit in the time of muhammad sqws, no?

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Hani,

The Noble Verse is speaking about the future.  Just like the Noble Verses that speak about the sun will be reduced to a condensed ball (KUWWIRAT), and when the stars' light goes off (INKADARAT), etc...

The Noble Verses regarding the moon start with "The Hour has drawn near...".  So it is a future event like the others like it in the Glorious Quran.

I would have no problem accepting that the moon was indeed split due to a Miracle from Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.  But since the moon is always witnessed by 1/2 of the earth's population at any given moment, then we can't say it was split when there are no accounts for it.  And even in Mecca, the accounts are pathetically small.  And most, if not all, of the narrations that speak about the moon split speak in the third person, which means that they were not even eye witnesses.

I don't accept weak and pathetic arguments and sources like this, brother.  I am not a dumb and blind follower.  Religions are so full of garbage.  Islam's hadiths and stories were plagued with similar garbage.  Only the Holy Quran is 100% perfect and pure.  The rest are lies until proven otherwise.  And I am not seeing any evidence for the moon split story.




The chained dajjal story:

Same goes with the dajjal was found on an island chained story.  Weak narrations and full of lies.  All of the Middle East's islands were discovered.  Not one of them has a chained dajjal in it.  And even if we assume that the bediouns were able to travel the oceans and seas of the world, which would've been impossible back then, then still we have not found any chained dajjal on any of the world's islands!  So am I supposed to just believe in this garbage?  Just say we hear and we obey like the satanic cultists command the Muslims?


You have to be a True Believer when defending the Glorious Quran, and on the flip side, you must argue like an agnostic when garbage is being fed to you as food for thought by religionists.  All of the world's religions' texts (Islam included) have TONS OF CRAP in them.  They're all lies until proven otherwise.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah