Muhammad was not from Mecca, but Petra.

[AMuslimDude213]

[AMuslimDude213]

And theres way more to it. this argument has been presented before by Brother.Idris.

[AMuslimDude213]

Heres a Link

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2254.0

[AMuslimDude213]

Also,ever heard of the ancient name for Mecca,Paran?

[New World Order Cleanse]

British people never spoke English.  They've always spoken Arabic.  Whoever says they ever spoke English is a liar.  Whoever says that the inhabitants of England were Brits or English is a liar.  Whoever says that England is an Island is a liar.  Whoever says Muhuhammad was born in Mecca, raised in Mecca, was from the tribe of Hashim, which is part of the whole tribe of Quraysh that inhabited Mecca, and lived in Mecca most of his life is a liar.  Muhammad was a Petran! 

OK dude, you win.  I give up and I concede that you won.  Only Germans live in England.  And all speak Petran.

Osama Abdallah

Peace.

England has substantial historical literature written in English or its integral siblings, spanning many generations, none of which (or very few) is in Arabic; hence they did not speak Arabic primarily. This can be immediately verified.

England is an Island as demonstrated by aeriel photos. This can be immediately verified.

Your analogy is ill-posed.

And your conclusions regarding Muhammad are assumed from an external literaure, whose advent coincides with the victory of the Abbasid regime, post Ali and Uthman assassination.

[AMuslimDude213]

And again,your array of Irrationality is back,even After I provided enough proof to show Mecca was where Muhammad SAW was from.

[New World Order Cleanse]

And again,your array of Irrationality is back,even After I provided enough proof to show Mecca was where Muhammad SAW was from.

Peace.

I didn't bother responding to your wall of text because it is all rubbish that I have already studied. If you were genuine you would have studied it yourself, it's all rubbish.

The macro-historical data doesn't lie. And the intelligent viewers of this forum, most of whom probably haven't signed up, know that the evidence I bought is extremely strong and forms a silhouette that explains all the data. You ignore data and just spew rubbish.

If you believe in Mecca's fake history, then you also have to believe that Mecca predates the Egyptian pyramids. THAT MECCA PREDATES THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS.

IT'S INSANE.

IT'S REDICULOUS.

Dat dere double think brah. Dat dere.

[AMuslimDude213]

You never even backed up any of your claims and only used the Qur'an instead of historical narrative.

[AMuslimDude213]

I do believe Mecca predated the Pyramids,its a simple block building not a huge triangle,so how is it Ridiculous? you're just using arguments like christian Creationists,you just judge physically instead of Evidently.

[AMuslimDude213]

And again to prove Mecca was a trade route or any of that,we must read an historical book and this book isnt by a Muslim,its an ancient pagan.

Ibn Kalbi,Kitab al Asnam,read that for yourself.

[AMuslimDude213]

[shaad]

NWO cleanse, you're simply rejecting their arguments without pointing out with which of the points you're in disagreement, if you really are confident like you're portraying then why don't you point out the mistakes and discuss about it? It would be a win-win situation because first of all if you succeed, you'll be able to "open our eyes" or if it is the other way around, we'll be able to "open" your's....

[AMuslimDude213]

All hes been doing Is screaming Maps ignoring literary evidence as rubbish and also just mocking nothing else,we destroyed Sam Gerrans points with simple logic yet hes just ignoring

[New World Order Cleanse]

NWO cleanse, you're simply rejecting their arguments without pointing out with which of the points you're in disagreement, if you really are confident like you're portraying then why don't you point out the mistakes and discuss about it? It would be a win-win situation because first of all if you succeed, you'll be able to "open our eyes" or if it is the other way around, we'll be able to "open" your's....

I can't open your eyes, the Quran is clear: God guides.

I promote macro-historical data because it is very hard for politicians to fake. For example, almost all early mosques faced Petra, then they gradually turned towards Mecca, this coincides with Mecca finally appearing on official maps.

When it does appear on the maps, it is not on the old trade route. This is all macro-historical data, there isn't much room for reinterpretation unless you are willing to manipulate data towards an agenda. This hard, physical data demonstrates the evolution of your hadith based religion.

Did that open your eyes? Nope. You're going to pull a micro-history like ptolemy (which is perpetually misrepresented, makoraba =/= mecca) and ignore the hard, physical data I presented.

There are intelligent societies of other Quranists who also reject Mecca and place the original site elsewhere than Petra, but bottom line: Mecca is not the original site. It's a psyop: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States)

[AMuslimDude213]

This guy has probably never heard of Mihrabs,that argument is so dang old.